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From: Alan Cox <gnomes@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
To: "Andreas Färber" <afaerber@suse.de>
Cc: "Jian-Hong Pan" <starnight@g.ncu.edu.tw>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, "Jiri Pirko" <jiri@resnulli.us>,
	"Marcel Holtmann" <marcel@holtmann.org>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	"Matthias Brugger" <mbrugger@suse.com>,
	"Janus Piwek" <jpiwek@arroweurope.com>,
	"Michael Röder" <michael.roeder@avnet.eu>,
	"Dollar Chen" <dollar.chen@wtmec.com>,
	"Ken Yu" <ken.yu@rakwireless.com>,
	"Konstantin Böhm" <konstantin.boehm@ancud.de>,
	"Jan Jongboom" <jan.jongboom@arm.com>,
	"Jon Ortego" <Jon.Ortego@imst.de>,
	"contact@snootlab.com" <contact@snootlab.com>,
	"Ben Whitten" <ben.whitten@lairdtech.com>,
	"Brian Ray" <brian.ray@link-labs.com>,
	lora@globalsat.com.tw, "Alexander Graf" <agraf@suse.de>,
	"Michal Kubeček" <mkubecek@suse.cz>,
	"Rob Herring" <robh@kernel.org>,
	devicetree@vger.kernel.org, "Steve deRosier" <derosier@gmail.com>,
	"Mark Brown" <broonie@kernel.org>,
	linux-spi@vger.kernel.org,
	"Pieter ROBYNS" <pieter.robyns@uhasselt.be>,
	"Hasnain Virk" <Hasnain.Virk@arm.com>,
	"linux-wpan - ML" <linux-wpan@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Stefan Schmidt" <stefan@datenfreihafen.org>,
	"Daniele Comel" <dcomel@mipot.com>,
	shess@hessware.de, "Xue Liu" <liuxuenetmail@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC net-next 00/15] net: A socket API for LoRa
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2018 13:36:00 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180813133600.180abc03@alans-desktop> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <11276f7d-0175-05e9-a9bd-c72868067081@suse.de>

> The simple answer is that, inspired by CAN, it uses an ifindex to select
> the interface the user asked to use. That then also answers Alan's next
> question: This ifindex determines which interface it goes out to.
> 
> sockaddr_lora was in patch 02/15, latest code here:
> https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/afaerber/linux-lora.git/tree/include/uapi/linux/lora.h?h=lora-next

And any loopback just becomes an ifindex, likewise any virtual lorawan
device (eg when testing in a cloud or simulating radio properties).

> I still think the user will need to explicitly say which interface they
> want to bind their socket to. AFAIU the device EUI is more comparable to

It does make it very hard for any vaguely complex environment because if
for example you have two interfaces enumerated via USB they will appear
in random order each boot.

CANbus is a bit of a mess in this sense but it's so statically configured
and embedded into industrial devices it's less of a problem.

I just wonder if the name would be a better binding (so you can sort the
order out), or a local physical identifier of some kind so that your
enumeration is consistent.

> Loopback mode would require a separate virtual device driver such as
> fakelr or vlora.

And a tunnel device, which is easy enough if you've got tap support or
similar.

Alan

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Alan Cox <gnomes@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
To: "Andreas Färber" <afaerber@suse.de>
Cc: "Michal Kubeček" <mkubecek@suse.cz>,
	"Konstantin Böhm" <konstantin.boehm@ancud.de>,
	shess@hessware.de, "Pieter ROBYNS" <pieter.robyns@uhasselt.be>,
	"contact@snootlab.com" <contact@snootlab.com>,
	"Xue Liu" <liuxuenetmail@gmail.com>,
	"Ken Yu" <ken.yu@rakwireless.com>,
	"Michael Röder" <michael.roeder@avnet.eu>,
	"Stefan Schmidt" <stefan@datenfreihafen.org>,
	"Rob Herring" <robh@kernel.org>,
	lora@globalsat.com.tw, "Alexander Graf" <agraf@suse.de>,
	"Jan Jongboom" <jan.jongboom@arm.com>,
	"Janus Piwek" <jpiwek@arroweurope.com>,
	"Jon Ortego" <Jon.Ortego@imst.de>,
	"Jian-Hong Pan" <starnight@g.ncu.edu.tw>,
	devicetree@vger.kernel.org, "Jiri Pirko" <jiri@resnulli.us>,
	"Hasnain Virk" <Hasnain.Virk@arm.com>,
	"Daniele Comel" <dcomel@mipot.com>,
	"Marcel Holtmann" <marcel@holtmann.org>,
	"Mark Brown" <broonie@kernel.org>,
	"Dollar Chen" <dollar.chen@wtmec.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC net-next 00/15] net: A socket API for LoRa
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2018 13:36:00 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180813133600.180abc03@alans-desktop> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <11276f7d-0175-05e9-a9bd-c72868067081@suse.de>

> The simple answer is that, inspired by CAN, it uses an ifindex to select
> the interface the user asked to use. That then also answers Alan's next
> question: This ifindex determines which interface it goes out to.
> 
> sockaddr_lora was in patch 02/15, latest code here:
> https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/afaerber/linux-lora.git/tree/include/uapi/linux/lora.h?h=lora-next

And any loopback just becomes an ifindex, likewise any virtual lorawan
device (eg when testing in a cloud or simulating radio properties).

> I still think the user will need to explicitly say which interface they
> want to bind their socket to. AFAIU the device EUI is more comparable to

It does make it very hard for any vaguely complex environment because if
for example you have two interfaces enumerated via USB they will appear
in random order each boot.

CANbus is a bit of a mess in this sense but it's so statically configured
and embedded into industrial devices it's less of a problem.

I just wonder if the name would be a better binding (so you can sort the
order out), or a local physical identifier of some kind so that your
enumeration is consistent.

> Loopback mode would require a separate virtual device driver such as
> fakelr or vlora.

And a tunnel device, which is easy enough if you've got tap support or
similar.

Alan

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: gnomes@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk (Alan Cox)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [RFC net-next 00/15] net: A socket API for LoRa
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2018 13:36:00 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180813133600.180abc03@alans-desktop> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <11276f7d-0175-05e9-a9bd-c72868067081@suse.de>

> The simple answer is that, inspired by CAN, it uses an ifindex to select
> the interface the user asked to use. That then also answers Alan's next
> question: This ifindex determines which interface it goes out to.
> 
> sockaddr_lora was in patch 02/15, latest code here:
> https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/afaerber/linux-lora.git/tree/include/uapi/linux/lora.h?h=lora-next

And any loopback just becomes an ifindex, likewise any virtual lorawan
device (eg when testing in a cloud or simulating radio properties).

> I still think the user will need to explicitly say which interface they
> want to bind their socket to. AFAIU the device EUI is more comparable to

It does make it very hard for any vaguely complex environment because if
for example you have two interfaces enumerated via USB they will appear
in random order each boot.

CANbus is a bit of a mess in this sense but it's so statically configured
and embedded into industrial devices it's less of a problem.

I just wonder if the name would be a better binding (so you can sort the
order out), or a local physical identifier of some kind so that your
enumeration is consistent.

> Loopback mode would require a separate virtual device driver such as
> fakelr or vlora.

And a tunnel device, which is easy enough if you've got tap support or
similar.

Alan

  reply	other threads:[~2018-08-13 12:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 173+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-07-01 11:07 [RFC net-next 00/15] net: A socket API for LoRa Andreas Färber
2018-07-01 11:07 ` Andreas Färber
2018-07-01 11:07 ` Andreas Färber
2018-07-01 11:07 ` [RFC net-next 01/15] net: Reserve protocol numbers " Andreas Färber
2018-07-01 11:07   ` Andreas Färber
2018-07-01 11:07   ` Andreas Färber
2018-07-01 11:07 ` [RFC net-next 02/15] net: lora: Define sockaddr_lora Andreas Färber
2018-07-01 11:07   ` Andreas Färber
2018-07-01 11:07   ` Andreas Färber
2018-07-01 11:07 ` [RFC net-next 03/15] net: lora: Add protocol numbers Andreas Färber
2018-07-01 11:07   ` Andreas Färber
2018-07-01 11:07 ` [RFC net-next 04/15] net: Add lora subsystem Andreas Färber
2018-07-01 11:07   ` Andreas Färber
2018-07-01 11:07   ` Andreas Färber
2018-07-01 11:07 ` [RFC net-next 05/15] HACK: net: lora: Deal with .poll_mask in 4.18-rc2 Andreas Färber
2018-07-01 11:07   ` Andreas Färber
2018-07-01 11:07   ` Andreas Färber
2018-07-02 16:22   ` Jiri Pirko
2018-07-02 16:22     ` Jiri Pirko
2018-07-02 16:59     ` Andreas Färber
2018-07-02 16:59       ` Andreas Färber
2018-07-01 11:07 ` [RFC net-next 06/15] net: lora: Prepare for device drivers Andreas Färber
2018-07-01 11:07   ` Andreas Färber
2018-07-01 11:07   ` Andreas Färber
2018-07-01 11:07 ` [RFC net-next 07/15] net: lora: Add Semtech SX1276 Andreas Färber
2018-07-01 11:07   ` Andreas Färber
2018-07-01 12:02   ` Andreas Färber
2018-07-01 12:02     ` Andreas Färber
2018-07-01 11:07 ` [RFC net-next 08/15] net: lora: sx1276: Add debugfs Andreas Färber
2018-07-01 11:07   ` Andreas Färber
2018-07-02 16:26   ` Jiri Pirko
2018-07-02 16:26     ` Jiri Pirko
2018-07-02 17:57     ` Andreas Färber
2018-07-02 17:57       ` Andreas Färber
2018-07-01 11:07 ` [RFC net-next 09/15] net: lora: Prepare EUI helpers Andreas Färber
2018-07-01 11:07   ` Andreas Färber
2018-07-01 11:07 ` [RFC net-next 10/15] net: lora: Add Microchip RN2483 Andreas Färber
2018-07-01 11:07   ` Andreas Färber
2018-07-01 11:08 ` [RFC net-next 11/15] net: lora: Add IMST WiMOD Andreas Färber
2018-07-01 11:08   ` Andreas Färber
2019-01-06 14:57   ` Heinrich Schuchardt
2019-01-06 14:57     ` Heinrich Schuchardt
2019-01-07 11:29     ` Andreas Färber
2019-01-07 11:29       ` Andreas Färber
2018-07-01 11:08 ` [RFC net-next 12/15] net: lora: Add USI WM-SG-SM-42 Andreas Färber
2018-07-01 11:08   ` Andreas Färber
2018-07-01 11:08 ` [RFC net-next 13/15] net: lora: Prepare RAK RAK811 Andreas Färber
2018-07-01 11:08   ` Andreas Färber
2018-07-01 11:08 ` [RFC net-next 14/15] net: lora: Prepare Semtech SX1257 Andreas Färber
2018-07-01 11:08   ` Andreas Färber
2018-07-01 11:08 ` [RFC net-next 15/15] net: lora: Add Semtech SX1301 Andreas Färber
2018-07-01 11:08   ` Andreas Färber
2018-07-02 11:51   ` Ben Whitten
2018-07-02 11:51     ` Ben Whitten
2018-07-03  3:01     ` Andreas Färber
2018-07-03  3:01       ` Andreas Färber
2018-07-05  8:59       ` Ben Whitten
2018-07-05  8:59         ` Ben Whitten
2018-07-05  8:59         ` Ben Whitten
2018-07-02 16:12   ` Mark Brown
2018-07-02 16:12     ` Mark Brown
2018-07-02 16:12     ` Mark Brown
2018-07-02 17:34     ` Andreas Färber
2018-07-02 17:34       ` Andreas Färber
2018-07-02 20:43       ` Ben Whitten
2018-07-02 20:43         ` Ben Whitten
2018-07-03  3:21         ` Andreas Färber
2018-07-03  3:21           ` Andreas Färber
2018-07-03  3:21           ` Andreas Färber
2018-07-05  8:43           ` Ben Whitten
2018-07-05  8:43             ` Ben Whitten
2018-07-05  8:43             ` Ben Whitten
2018-07-03 14:50       ` Mark Brown
2018-07-03 14:50         ` Mark Brown
2018-07-03 15:09         ` Andreas Färber
2018-07-03 15:09           ` Andreas Färber
2018-07-03 15:09           ` Andreas Färber
2018-07-03 15:31           ` Mark Brown
2018-07-03 15:31             ` Mark Brown
2018-07-03 15:31             ` Mark Brown
2018-07-03 16:40             ` Andreas Färber
2018-07-03 16:40               ` Andreas Färber
2018-07-04 11:43               ` Mark Brown
2018-07-04 11:43                 ` Mark Brown
2018-07-04 13:41                 ` Ben Whitten
2018-07-04 13:41                   ` Ben Whitten
2018-07-04 13:41                   ` Ben Whitten
2018-07-04 14:32                   ` Mark Brown
2018-07-04 14:32                     ` Mark Brown
2018-07-04 14:32                     ` Mark Brown
2018-07-03 15:11 ` [RFC net-next 00/15] net: A socket API for LoRa Jian-Hong Pan
2018-07-03 15:11   ` Jian-Hong Pan
2018-07-03 15:11   ` Jian-Hong Pan
2018-08-05  0:11   ` Andreas Färber
2018-08-05  0:11     ` Andreas Färber
2018-08-05  0:11     ` Andreas Färber
2018-08-08 20:36     ` Alan Cox
2018-08-08 20:36       ` Alan Cox
2018-08-08 20:36       ` Alan Cox
2018-08-08 22:42       ` Andreas Färber
2018-08-08 22:42         ` Andreas Färber
2018-08-08 22:42         ` Andreas Färber
2018-08-09 11:59         ` Alan Cox
2018-08-09 11:59           ` Alan Cox
2018-08-09 11:59           ` Alan Cox
2018-08-09 15:02           ` Jian-Hong Pan
2018-08-09 15:02             ` Jian-Hong Pan
2018-08-09 15:02             ` Jian-Hong Pan
2018-08-09 15:21             ` Alexander Aring
2018-08-09 15:21               ` Alexander Aring
2018-08-09 15:21               ` Alexander Aring
2018-08-10 15:57             ` Alan Cox
2018-08-10 15:57               ` Alan Cox
2018-08-10 15:57               ` Alan Cox
2018-08-11 18:30               ` Stefan Schmidt
2018-08-11 18:30                 ` Stefan Schmidt
2018-08-11 18:30                 ` Stefan Schmidt
2018-08-12 16:49                 ` Andreas Färber
2018-08-12 16:49                   ` Andreas Färber
2018-08-12 16:49                   ` Andreas Färber
2018-08-12 16:37               ` Jian-Hong Pan
2018-08-12 16:37                 ` Jian-Hong Pan
2018-08-12 16:37                 ` Jian-Hong Pan
2018-08-12 17:59                 ` Andreas Färber
2018-08-12 17:59                   ` Andreas Färber
2018-08-12 17:59                   ` Andreas Färber
2018-08-13 12:36                   ` Alan Cox [this message]
2018-08-13 12:36                     ` Alan Cox
2018-08-13 12:36                     ` Alan Cox
2018-08-09 15:12           ` Alexander Aring
2018-08-09 15:12             ` Alexander Aring
2018-08-09 15:12             ` Alexander Aring
2018-08-09 15:12             ` Alexander Aring
2018-08-09  0:50     ` Andreas Färber
2018-08-09  0:50       ` Andreas Färber
2018-08-09  0:50       ` Andreas Färber
2018-07-04 18:26 ` Stefan Schmidt
2018-07-04 18:26   ` Stefan Schmidt
2018-07-04 18:26   ` Stefan Schmidt
2018-07-05 10:43   ` Helmut Tschemernjak
2018-07-05 10:43     ` Helmut Tschemernjak
2018-07-05 10:43     ` Helmut Tschemernjak
2018-07-11  2:07     ` Andreas Färber
2018-07-11  2:07       ` Andreas Färber
2018-07-11  2:07       ` Andreas Färber
2018-07-11 11:45       ` Helmut Tschemernjak
2018-07-11 11:45         ` Helmut Tschemernjak
2018-07-11 11:45         ` Helmut Tschemernjak
2018-07-11 15:21 ` Ben Whitten
2018-07-11 15:21   ` Ben Whitten
2018-07-11 15:21   ` Ben Whitten
2018-07-15 18:13   ` Andreas Färber
2018-07-15 18:13     ` Andreas Färber
2018-07-15 18:13     ` Andreas Färber
2018-07-18 11:28     ` Ben Whitten
2018-07-18 11:28       ` Ben Whitten
2018-07-18 11:28       ` Ben Whitten
2018-07-18 11:28       ` Ben Whitten
2018-08-02  7:52       ` Jian-Hong Pan
2018-08-02  7:52         ` Jian-Hong Pan
2018-08-02  7:52         ` Jian-Hong Pan
2018-08-02  7:52         ` Jian-Hong Pan
2018-08-03  8:44         ` linux-lora.git and LoRaWAN (was: [RFC net-next 00/15] net: A socket API for LoRa) Andreas Färber
2018-08-03  8:44           ` Andreas Färber
2018-08-05 12:49           ` Jian-Hong Pan
2018-08-05 12:49             ` Jian-Hong Pan
2018-08-05 12:49             ` Jian-Hong Pan
2018-08-05 12:49             ` Jian-Hong Pan
     [not found]           ` <20180803150258.791b9942@alans-desktop>
2018-08-05 14:08             ` Jian-Hong Pan
2018-08-05 14:08               ` Jian-Hong Pan
2018-08-05 13:49       ` [RFC net-next 00/15] net: A socket API for LoRa Andreas Färber
2018-08-05 13:49         ` Andreas Färber
2018-08-05 13:49         ` Andreas Färber

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