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From: Gerd Hoffmann <kraxel@redhat.com>
To: "Daniel P. Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>
Cc: qemu-devel@nongnu.org, libvir-list@redhat.com,
	Prasad J Pandit <ppandit@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 3/3] cirrus: mark as deprecated
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2018 10:12:44 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20181029091244.mgq4xhodjv62quof@sirius.home.kraxel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20181025203758.GA29995@redhat.com>

On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 09:37:58PM +0100, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 10:52:56AM +0200, Gerd Hoffmann wrote:
> > While being at it deprecate cirrus too.
> > 
> > Reason (short version): use stdvga instead.
> > Verbose version:
> >     https://www.kraxel.org/blog/2014/10/qemu-using-cirrus-considered-harmful
> 
> Every single one of my guests is using cirrus. This wasn't an explicit
> choice on my part, so I believe it is being used as the default in
> virt-install.
> 
> I don't debate the points in the blog post above that stdvga is a
> better choice, but I don't think that's enough to justify deprecating
> cirrus at this point in time, because when it then gets deleted it
> will break way too many existing deployments.
> 
> We need to socialize info in that blog post above more widely and
> especially ensure that apps are not using that by default. I don't
> see it being viable to formally deprecate it in QEMU any time soon
> though given existing usage.

Well, getting that message to the users is the point of deprecating it.
I think in this specific case we'll need a longer (maybe much longer)
deprecation period than only two releases.  But I think it still makes
sense to deprecate it now.

In qemu it isn't the default any more since release 2.2.
libvirt switched the default not too long after that.
Not fully sure how things look like higher up the stack.

cheers,
  Gerd

  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-10-29  9:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-10-25  8:52 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 0/3] RfC: add support for deprecated devices Gerd Hoffmann
2018-10-25  8:52 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 1/3] qdev: add deprecation_reason to DeviceClass Gerd Hoffmann
2018-10-25 10:50   ` P J P
2018-10-25 11:12   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2018-10-29  9:19     ` Gerd Hoffmann
2018-10-25  8:52 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 2/3] adlib: mark as insecure and deprecated Gerd Hoffmann
2018-10-25 10:56   ` P J P
2018-10-25 20:40     ` [Qemu-devel] [libvirt] " Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-10-26  7:08       ` P J P
2018-10-26  9:54         ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-10-26 12:35           ` P J P
2018-10-25 11:15   ` [Qemu-devel] " Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2018-10-25 20:27   ` Thomas Huth
2018-10-26  8:48   ` Paolo Bonzini
2018-10-26  9:34     ` P J P
2018-10-26 10:01       ` Paolo Bonzini
2018-10-26 11:53         ` P J P
2018-10-29  9:05           ` Gerd Hoffmann
2018-10-25  8:52 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 3/3] cirrus: mark as deprecated Gerd Hoffmann
2018-10-25 10:59   ` P J P
2018-10-25 11:17   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2018-10-25 20:28   ` Thomas Huth
2018-10-25 20:37   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-10-26  7:03     ` P J P
2018-10-26  9:42       ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-10-26  9:59         ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-10-26 10:03           ` Paolo Bonzini
2018-10-26 14:14             ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-10-26 18:56               ` P J P
2018-10-26 10:40         ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2018-10-26 13:25         ` [Qemu-devel] [libvirt] " Christian Borntraeger
2018-10-26  8:48     ` Cole Robinson
2018-10-26  9:43       ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-10-29  9:12     ` Gerd Hoffmann [this message]
2018-10-30 18:00       ` [Qemu-devel] " Daniel P. Berrangé

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