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From: Jonathan Cameron <jonathan.cameron@huawei.com>
To: Rob Herring <robh@kernel.org>
Cc: Jonathan Cameron <jic23@kernel.org>,
	Matthias Kaehlcke <mka@chromium.org>,
	Andy Gross <andy.gross@linaro.org>,
	David Brown <david.brown@linaro.org>,
	Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	Hartmut Knaack <knaack.h@gmx.de>,
	Lars-Peter Clausen <lars@metafoo.de>,
	Peter Meerwald <pmeerw@pmeerw.net>,
	linux-arm-msm <linux-arm-msm@vger.kernel.org>,
	"open list:ARM/QUALCOMM SUPPORT" <linux-soc@vger.kernel.org>,
	devicetree@vger.kernel.org, linux-iio@vger.kernel.org,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Doug Anderson <dianders@chromium.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 1/2] dt-bindings: iio: vadc: Update example to include unit address for node 'usb-id-nopull'
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2018 09:28:52 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20181102092852.000038a2@huawei.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAL_JsqJ1KAHg2QR+R7f5Vdx7Z41Y8T1wVarwocjoYiHwqk12pw@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, 30 Oct 2018 11:00:16 -0500
Rob Herring <robh@kernel.org> wrote:

> On Sun, Oct 21, 2018 at 9:17 AM Jonathan Cameron <jic23@kernel.org> wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, 18 Oct 2018 12:40:10 -0700
> > Matthias Kaehlcke <mka@chromium.org> wrote:
> >  
> > > On Fri, Oct 12, 2018 at 10:15:23AM -0700, Matthias Kaehlcke wrote:  
> > > > On Fri, Oct 05, 2018 at 03:47:43PM -0500, Rob Herring wrote:  
> > > > > On Wed, Oct 03, 2018 at 05:14:31PM -0700, Matthias Kaehlcke wrote:  
> > > > > > The node has a reg property, therefore its name should include a unit
> > > > > > address.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Also change the name from 'usb_id_nopull' to 'usb-id-nopull' to follow
> > > > > > DT conventions.  
> > > > >
> > > > > This is ADC channels? If so, then DT convention would really be
> > > > > "adc@...".  
> > > >
> > > > Is it really? A grep for 'adc@' in arch/${ARCH}/boot/dts yields
> > > > mostly ADC controller not channel nodes.
> > > >
> > > > I'm totally fine with changing the name to 'adc@...' if that's the
> > > > preference/convention, just want to reconfirm since the actual use is
> > > > a bit ambiguous.  
> > >
> > > Could we please reach a conclusion on this?
> > >
> > > Summarizing the options on the table so far are:
> > >
> > > 1. usb-id-nopull@VADC_LR_MUX10_USB_ID
> > > 2. usb-id-nopull@57
> > > 3. adc@VADC_LR_MUX10_USB_ID
> > > 4. adc@57
> > >
> > > My personal preference goes to something <node name>@<define>
> > > since the unit address doesn't just resolve to an ADC channel number
> > > but also includes configuation information. A literal like '57'
> > > conveys less information than the define, it's easier to introduce
> > > errors and these errors are harder to spot.  
> >
> > I agree that to my mind this is the most sensible option.  
> 
> If you really want the defines, then fine. Of course, that only works
> if the function is fixed. It won't work if the function is defined per
> board.
> 
> Eventually, examples using defines will have to also include the
> headers. I plan to make the examples build-able.
> 
> > > If 'adc@...' really was the convention (or should be) I'd be clearly
> > > in favor of following it. As mentioned above, in practice the use of
> > > the 'adc@...' node name seems to be more prevalent for ADC controllers
> > > than channels, so I'm more inclined towards 'usb-id-nopull@...' or
> > > similar.
> > >
> > > All that said, these are just my preferences for the reasons outlined
> > > above, if DT maintainers really want it to be 'adc@57' or some
> > > variation of that, I'm fine with that too. Please let me know and we
> > > can move forward with this trivial series.  
> >
> > Rob, what's your view on this?  
> 
> I want node names that reflect the class of the node (not a specific
> model) and consistency across bindings. What that looks like for
> multi-channel ADCs is really up to you. There was another binding
> recently which mapped sub-nodes to inputs rather than channels. Maybe
> that's needed too if you have more inputs than simultaneous channels.
>From a DT point of view the simultaneous channels vs inputs isn't meant
to be currently visible. It's a userspace problem and from IIO point
of view a 'channel' is an input (you just might not be able to enable
all channels at once!)

channel@ would work for me, though that might then match other types
of device where this has a different meaning.  Perhaps
adc_chan@ ?

> 
> Also, if your goal is to just quiet dtc warnings, then I'd prefer you
> not. They often point to bigger issues even if they can be fixed with
> trivial changes. Of course, if not fixed someone else will come along
> and try the trivial fix again.

Agreed.  Would be good to have these consistent however as it is a fairly
common thing to represent.

Jonathan

> 
> Rob

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Jonathan Cameron <jonathan.cameron@huawei.com>
To: Rob Herring <robh@kernel.org>
Cc: Jonathan Cameron <jic23@kernel.org>,
	Matthias Kaehlcke <mka@chromium.org>,
	Andy Gross <andy.gross@linaro.org>,
	David Brown <david.brown@linaro.org>,
	Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	Hartmut Knaack <knaack.h@gmx.de>,
	Lars-Peter Clausen <lars@metafoo.de>,
	Peter Meerwald <pmeerw@pmeerw.net>,
	linux-arm-msm <linux-arm-msm@vger.kernel.org>,
	"open list:ARM/QUALCOMM SUPPORT" <linux-soc@vger.kernel.org>,
	<devicetree@vger.kernel.org>, <linux-iio@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Doug Anderson <dianders@chromium.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 1/2] dt-bindings: iio: vadc: Update example to include unit address for node 'usb-id-nopull'
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2018 09:28:52 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20181102092852.000038a2@huawei.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAL_JsqJ1KAHg2QR+R7f5Vdx7Z41Y8T1wVarwocjoYiHwqk12pw@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, 30 Oct 2018 11:00:16 -0500
Rob Herring <robh@kernel.org> wrote:

> On Sun, Oct 21, 2018 at 9:17 AM Jonathan Cameron <jic23@kernel.org> wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, 18 Oct 2018 12:40:10 -0700
> > Matthias Kaehlcke <mka@chromium.org> wrote:
> >  
> > > On Fri, Oct 12, 2018 at 10:15:23AM -0700, Matthias Kaehlcke wrote:  
> > > > On Fri, Oct 05, 2018 at 03:47:43PM -0500, Rob Herring wrote:  
> > > > > On Wed, Oct 03, 2018 at 05:14:31PM -0700, Matthias Kaehlcke wrote:  
> > > > > > The node has a reg property, therefore its name should include a unit
> > > > > > address.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Also change the name from 'usb_id_nopull' to 'usb-id-nopull' to follow
> > > > > > DT conventions.  
> > > > >
> > > > > This is ADC channels? If so, then DT convention would really be
> > > > > "adc@...".  
> > > >
> > > > Is it really? A grep for 'adc@' in arch/${ARCH}/boot/dts yields
> > > > mostly ADC controller not channel nodes.
> > > >
> > > > I'm totally fine with changing the name to 'adc@...' if that's the
> > > > preference/convention, just want to reconfirm since the actual use is
> > > > a bit ambiguous.  
> > >
> > > Could we please reach a conclusion on this?
> > >
> > > Summarizing the options on the table so far are:
> > >
> > > 1. usb-id-nopull@VADC_LR_MUX10_USB_ID
> > > 2. usb-id-nopull@57
> > > 3. adc@VADC_LR_MUX10_USB_ID
> > > 4. adc@57
> > >
> > > My personal preference goes to something <node name>@<define>
> > > since the unit address doesn't just resolve to an ADC channel number
> > > but also includes configuation information. A literal like '57'
> > > conveys less information than the define, it's easier to introduce
> > > errors and these errors are harder to spot.  
> >
> > I agree that to my mind this is the most sensible option.  
> 
> If you really want the defines, then fine. Of course, that only works
> if the function is fixed. It won't work if the function is defined per
> board.
> 
> Eventually, examples using defines will have to also include the
> headers. I plan to make the examples build-able.
> 
> > > If 'adc@...' really was the convention (or should be) I'd be clearly
> > > in favor of following it. As mentioned above, in practice the use of
> > > the 'adc@...' node name seems to be more prevalent for ADC controllers
> > > than channels, so I'm more inclined towards 'usb-id-nopull@...' or
> > > similar.
> > >
> > > All that said, these are just my preferences for the reasons outlined
> > > above, if DT maintainers really want it to be 'adc@57' or some
> > > variation of that, I'm fine with that too. Please let me know and we
> > > can move forward with this trivial series.  
> >
> > Rob, what's your view on this?  
> 
> I want node names that reflect the class of the node (not a specific
> model) and consistency across bindings. What that looks like for
> multi-channel ADCs is really up to you. There was another binding
> recently which mapped sub-nodes to inputs rather than channels. Maybe
> that's needed too if you have more inputs than simultaneous channels.
From a DT point of view the simultaneous channels vs inputs isn't meant
to be currently visible. It's a userspace problem and from IIO point
of view a 'channel' is an input (you just might not be able to enable
all channels at once!)

channel@ would work for me, though that might then match other types
of device where this has a different meaning.  Perhaps
adc_chan@ ?

> 
> Also, if your goal is to just quiet dtc warnings, then I'd prefer you
> not. They often point to bigger issues even if they can be fixed with
> trivial changes. Of course, if not fixed someone else will come along
> and try the trivial fix again.

Agreed.  Would be good to have these consistent however as it is a fairly
common thing to represent.

Jonathan

> 
> Rob



WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Jonathan Cameron <jonathan.cameron@huawei.com>
To: Rob Herring <robh@kernel.org>
Cc: Jonathan Cameron <jic23@kernel.org>,
	Matthias Kaehlcke <mka@chromium.org>,
	Andy Gross <andy.gross@linaro.org>,
	David Brown <david.brown@linaro.org>,
	Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	Hartmut Knaack <knaack.h@gmx.de>,
	Lars-Peter Clausen <lars@metafoo.de>,
	Peter Meerwald <pmeerw@pmeerw.net>,
	linux-arm-msm <linux-arm-msm@vger.kernel.org>,
	"open list:ARM/QUALCOMM SUPPORT" <linux-soc@vger.kernel.org>,
	<devicetree@vger.kernel.org>, <linux-iio@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Doug Anderson <dianders@chromium.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 1/2] dt-bindings: iio: vadc: Update example to include unit address for node 'usb-id-nopull'
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2018 09:28:52 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20181102092852.000038a2@huawei.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAL_JsqJ1KAHg2QR+R7f5Vdx7Z41Y8T1wVarwocjoYiHwqk12pw@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, 30 Oct 2018 11:00:16 -0500
Rob Herring <robh@kernel.org> wrote:

> On Sun, Oct 21, 2018 at 9:17 AM Jonathan Cameron <jic23@kernel.org> wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, 18 Oct 2018 12:40:10 -0700
> > Matthias Kaehlcke <mka@chromium.org> wrote:
> > =20
> > > On Fri, Oct 12, 2018 at 10:15:23AM -0700, Matthias Kaehlcke wrote: =20
> > > > On Fri, Oct 05, 2018 at 03:47:43PM -0500, Rob Herring wrote: =20
> > > > > On Wed, Oct 03, 2018 at 05:14:31PM -0700, Matthias Kaehlcke wrote=
: =20
> > > > > > The node has a reg property, therefore its name should include =
a unit
> > > > > > address.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Also change the name from 'usb_id_nopull' to 'usb-id-nopull' to=
 follow
> > > > > > DT conventions. =20
> > > > >
> > > > > This is ADC channels? If so, then DT convention would really be
> > > > > "adc@...". =20
> > > >
> > > > Is it really? A grep for 'adc@' in arch/${ARCH}/boot/dts yields
> > > > mostly ADC controller not channel nodes.
> > > >
> > > > I'm totally fine with changing the name to 'adc@...' if that's the
> > > > preference/convention, just want to reconfirm since the actual use =
is
> > > > a bit ambiguous. =20
> > >
> > > Could we please reach a conclusion on this?
> > >
> > > Summarizing the options on the table so far are:
> > >
> > > 1. usb-id-nopull@VADC_LR_MUX10_USB_ID
> > > 2. usb-id-nopull@57
> > > 3. adc@VADC_LR_MUX10_USB_ID
> > > 4. adc@57
> > >
> > > My personal preference goes to something <node name>@<define>
> > > since the unit address doesn't just resolve to an ADC channel number
> > > but also includes configuation information. A literal like '57'
> > > conveys less information than the define, it's easier to introduce
> > > errors and these errors are harder to spot. =20
> >
> > I agree that to my mind this is the most sensible option. =20
>=20
> If you really want the defines, then fine. Of course, that only works
> if the function is fixed. It won't work if the function is defined per
> board.
>=20
> Eventually, examples using defines will have to also include the
> headers. I plan to make the examples build-able.
>=20
> > > If 'adc@...' really was the convention (or should be) I'd be clearly
> > > in favor of following it. As mentioned above, in practice the use of
> > > the 'adc@...' node name seems to be more prevalent for ADC controllers
> > > than channels, so I'm more inclined towards 'usb-id-nopull@...' or
> > > similar.
> > >
> > > All that said, these are just my preferences for the reasons outlined
> > > above, if DT maintainers really want it to be 'adc@57' or some
> > > variation of that, I'm fine with that too. Please let me know and we
> > > can move forward with this trivial series. =20
> >
> > Rob, what's your view on this? =20
>=20
> I want node names that reflect the class of the node (not a specific
> model) and consistency across bindings. What that looks like for
> multi-channel ADCs is really up to you. There was another binding
> recently which mapped sub-nodes to inputs rather than channels. Maybe
> that's needed too if you have more inputs than simultaneous channels.
=46rom a DT point of view the simultaneous channels vs inputs isn't meant
to be currently visible. It's a userspace problem and from IIO point
of view a 'channel' is an input (you just might not be able to enable
all channels at once!)

channel@ would work for me, though that might then match other types
of device where this has a different meaning.  Perhaps
adc_chan@ ?

>=20
> Also, if your goal is to just quiet dtc warnings, then I'd prefer you
> not. They often point to bigger issues even if they can be fixed with
> trivial changes. Of course, if not fixed someone else will come along
> and try the trivial fix again.

Agreed.  Would be good to have these consistent however as it is a fairly
common thing to represent.

Jonathan

>=20
> Rob

  reply	other threads:[~2018-11-02  9:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-10-04  0:14 [PATCH v5 0/2] arm64: dts: qcom: pm8998: Add die temperature channel node to the ADC Matthias Kaehlcke
2018-10-04  0:14 ` [PATCH v5 1/2] dt-bindings: iio: vadc: Update example to include unit address for node 'usb-id-nopull' Matthias Kaehlcke
2018-10-04 15:14   ` Doug Anderson
2018-10-05 20:47   ` Rob Herring
2018-10-11 19:11     ` Matthias Kaehlcke
2018-10-11 20:52       ` Matthias Kaehlcke
2018-10-12 17:15     ` Matthias Kaehlcke
2018-10-18 19:40       ` Matthias Kaehlcke
2018-10-21 14:17         ` Jonathan Cameron
2018-10-30 16:00           ` Rob Herring
2018-11-02  9:28             ` Jonathan Cameron [this message]
2018-11-02  9:28               ` Jonathan Cameron
2018-11-02  9:28               ` Jonathan Cameron
2018-10-04  0:14 ` [PATCH v5 2/2] arm64: dts: qcom: pm8998: Add die temperature channel node to the ADC Matthias Kaehlcke
2018-10-04 16:46   ` Doug Anderson

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