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From: Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>
To: Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>
Cc: Kristina Martsenko <kristina.martsenko@arm.com>,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, Andrew Jones <drjones@redhat.com>,
	Jacob Bramley <jacob.bramley@arm.com>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	Ard Biesheuvel <ard.biesheuvel@linaro.org>,
	Marc Zyngier <marc.zyngier@arm.com>,
	Adam Wallis <awallis@codeaurora.org>,
	"Suzuki K . Poulose" <suzuki.poulose@arm.com>,
	Christoffer Dall <christoffer.dall@arm.com>,
	kvmarm@lists.cs.columbia.edu,
	Ramana Radhakrishnan <ramana.radhakrishnan@arm.com>,
	Amit Kachhap <Amit.Kachhap@arm.com>,
	Dave P Martin <Dave.Martin@arm.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
	gorcunov@openvz.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 07/17] arm64: add basic pointer authentication support
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2018 18:11:39 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20181114181138.GB2580@brain-police> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20181019112404.GD14246@arm.com>

Hi all,

On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 12:24:04PM +0100, Will Deacon wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 12:15:43PM +0100, Catalin Marinas wrote:
> > On Fri, Oct 05, 2018 at 09:47:44AM +0100, Kristina Martsenko wrote:
> > > diff --git a/arch/arm64/include/asm/pointer_auth.h b/arch/arm64/include/asm/pointer_auth.h
> > > new file mode 100644
> > > index 000000000000..2aefedc31d9e
> > > --- /dev/null
> > > +++ b/arch/arm64/include/asm/pointer_auth.h
> > > @@ -0,0 +1,63 @@
> > > +// SPDX-License-Identifier: GPL-2.0
> > > +#ifndef __ASM_POINTER_AUTH_H
> > > +#define __ASM_POINTER_AUTH_H
> > > +
> > > +#include <linux/random.h>
> > > +
> > > +#include <asm/cpufeature.h>
> > > +#include <asm/sysreg.h>
> > > +
> > > +#ifdef CONFIG_ARM64_PTR_AUTH
> > > +/*
> > > + * Each key is a 128-bit quantity which is split across a pair of 64-bit
> > > + * registers (Lo and Hi).
> > > + */
> > > +struct ptrauth_key {
> > > +	unsigned long lo, hi;
> > > +};
> > > +
> > > +/*
> > > + * We give each process its own instruction A key (APIAKey), which is shared by
> > > + * all threads. This is inherited upon fork(), and reinitialised upon exec*().
> > > + * All other keys are currently unused, with APIBKey, APDAKey, and APBAKey
> > > + * instructions behaving as NOPs.
> > > + */
> > 
> > I don't remember the past discussions but I assume the tools guys are ok
> > with a single key shared by multiple threads. Ramana, could you ack this
> > part, FTR?
> > 
> > (and it would help if someone from the Android and Chrome camps can
> > confirm)
> 
> FWIW: I think we should be entertaining a prctl() interface to use a new
> key on a per-thread basis. Obviously, this would need to be used with care
> (e.g. you'd fork(); use the prctl() and then you'd better not return from
> the calling function!).
> 
> Assuming we want this (Kees -- I was under the impression that everything in
> Android would end up with the same key otherwise?), then the question is
> do we want:
> 
>   - prctl() get/set operations for the key, or
>   - prctl() set_random_key operation, or
>   - both of the above?
> 
> Part of the answer to that may lie in the requirements of CRIU, where I
> strongly suspect they need explicit get/set operations, although these
> could be gated on CONFIG_CHECKPOINT_RESTORE=y.

I managed to speak to the CRIU developers at LPC. The good news is that
their preference is for a ptrace()-based interface for getting and setting
the keys, so the only prctl() operation we need is to set a random key
(separately for A and B).

Will

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: will.deacon@arm.com (Will Deacon)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH v5 07/17] arm64: add basic pointer authentication support
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2018 18:11:39 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20181114181138.GB2580@brain-police> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20181019112404.GD14246@arm.com>

Hi all,

On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 12:24:04PM +0100, Will Deacon wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 12:15:43PM +0100, Catalin Marinas wrote:
> > On Fri, Oct 05, 2018 at 09:47:44AM +0100, Kristina Martsenko wrote:
> > > diff --git a/arch/arm64/include/asm/pointer_auth.h b/arch/arm64/include/asm/pointer_auth.h
> > > new file mode 100644
> > > index 000000000000..2aefedc31d9e
> > > --- /dev/null
> > > +++ b/arch/arm64/include/asm/pointer_auth.h
> > > @@ -0,0 +1,63 @@
> > > +// SPDX-License-Identifier: GPL-2.0
> > > +#ifndef __ASM_POINTER_AUTH_H
> > > +#define __ASM_POINTER_AUTH_H
> > > +
> > > +#include <linux/random.h>
> > > +
> > > +#include <asm/cpufeature.h>
> > > +#include <asm/sysreg.h>
> > > +
> > > +#ifdef CONFIG_ARM64_PTR_AUTH
> > > +/*
> > > + * Each key is a 128-bit quantity which is split across a pair of 64-bit
> > > + * registers (Lo and Hi).
> > > + */
> > > +struct ptrauth_key {
> > > +	unsigned long lo, hi;
> > > +};
> > > +
> > > +/*
> > > + * We give each process its own instruction A key (APIAKey), which is shared by
> > > + * all threads. This is inherited upon fork(), and reinitialised upon exec*().
> > > + * All other keys are currently unused, with APIBKey, APDAKey, and APBAKey
> > > + * instructions behaving as NOPs.
> > > + */
> > 
> > I don't remember the past discussions but I assume the tools guys are ok
> > with a single key shared by multiple threads. Ramana, could you ack this
> > part, FTR?
> > 
> > (and it would help if someone from the Android and Chrome camps can
> > confirm)
> 
> FWIW: I think we should be entertaining a prctl() interface to use a new
> key on a per-thread basis. Obviously, this would need to be used with care
> (e.g. you'd fork(); use the prctl() and then you'd better not return from
> the calling function!).
> 
> Assuming we want this (Kees -- I was under the impression that everything in
> Android would end up with the same key otherwise?), then the question is
> do we want:
> 
>   - prctl() get/set operations for the key, or
>   - prctl() set_random_key operation, or
>   - both of the above?
> 
> Part of the answer to that may lie in the requirements of CRIU, where I
> strongly suspect they need explicit get/set operations, although these
> could be gated on CONFIG_CHECKPOINT_RESTORE=y.

I managed to speak to the CRIU developers at LPC. The good news is that
their preference is for a ptrace()-based interface for getting and setting
the keys, so the only prctl() operation we need is to set a random key
(separately for A and B).

Will

  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-11-14 18:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 161+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-10-05  8:47 [PATCH 00/17] ARMv8.3 pointer authentication support Kristina Martsenko
2018-10-05  8:47 ` Kristina Martsenko
2018-10-05  8:47 ` [PATCH v5 01/17] arm64: add pointer authentication register bits Kristina Martsenko
2018-10-05  8:47   ` Kristina Martsenko
2018-10-11 16:28   ` Will Deacon
2018-10-11 16:28     ` Will Deacon
2018-10-12  8:53     ` Mark Rutland
2018-10-12  8:53       ` Mark Rutland
2018-10-12  8:56       ` Will Deacon
2018-10-12  8:56         ` Will Deacon
2018-10-12  9:50         ` Mark Rutland
2018-10-12  9:50           ` Mark Rutland
2018-10-05  8:47 ` [PATCH v5 02/17] arm64/kvm: consistently handle host HCR_EL2 flags Kristina Martsenko
2018-10-05  8:47   ` Kristina Martsenko
2018-10-05  8:47 ` [PATCH v5 03/17] arm64/kvm: hide ptrauth from guests Kristina Martsenko
2018-10-05  8:47   ` Kristina Martsenko
2018-10-05  8:47 ` [PATCH v5 04/17] arm64: Don't trap host pointer auth use to EL2 Kristina Martsenko
2018-10-05  8:47   ` Kristina Martsenko
2018-10-05  8:47 ` [PATCH v5 05/17] arm64/cpufeature: detect pointer authentication Kristina Martsenko
2018-10-05  8:47   ` Kristina Martsenko
2018-10-05  8:47   ` Kristina Martsenko
2018-10-05  8:47   ` Kristina Martsenko
2018-10-05  8:47 ` [PATCH v5 06/17] asm-generic: mm_hooks: allow hooks to be overridden individually Kristina Martsenko
2018-10-05  8:47   ` Kristina Martsenko
2018-10-05  8:47 ` [PATCH v5 07/17] arm64: add basic pointer authentication support Kristina Martsenko
2018-10-05  8:47   ` Kristina Martsenko
2018-10-11 16:00   ` Suzuki K Poulose
2018-10-11 16:00     ` Suzuki K Poulose
2018-10-19 11:15   ` Catalin Marinas
2018-10-19 11:15     ` Catalin Marinas
2018-10-19 11:15     ` Catalin Marinas
2018-10-19 11:24     ` Will Deacon
2018-10-19 11:24       ` Will Deacon
2018-10-19 15:36       ` Kees Cook
2018-10-19 15:36         ` Kees Cook
2018-10-19 15:36         ` Kees Cook
2018-10-19 15:49         ` Will Deacon
2018-10-19 15:49           ` Will Deacon
2018-10-19 15:49           ` Will Deacon
2018-10-19 16:05           ` Kees Cook
2018-10-19 16:05             ` Kees Cook
2018-10-19 16:05             ` Kees Cook
2018-10-19 16:16             ` Will Deacon
2018-10-19 16:16               ` Will Deacon
2018-10-19 16:16               ` Will Deacon
2018-10-19 15:54         ` Mark Rutland
2018-10-19 15:54           ` Mark Rutland
2018-10-19 15:54           ` Mark Rutland
2018-10-19 16:49       ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2018-10-19 16:49         ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2018-10-19 16:49         ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2018-11-14 18:11       ` Will Deacon [this message]
2018-11-14 18:11         ` Will Deacon
2018-11-15 10:25         ` Dave Martin
2018-11-15 10:25           ` Dave Martin
2018-10-23  8:36     ` Ramana Radhakrishnan
2018-10-23  8:36       ` Ramana Radhakrishnan
2018-10-23  8:36       ` Ramana Radhakrishnan
2018-10-23  8:36       ` Ramana Radhakrishnan
2018-10-23 10:20       ` Will Deacon
2018-10-23 10:20         ` Will Deacon
2018-10-23 10:20         ` Will Deacon
2018-10-23 10:20         ` Will Deacon
2018-10-05  8:47 ` [PATCH v5 08/17] arm64: expose user PAC bit positions via ptrace Kristina Martsenko
2018-10-05  8:47   ` Kristina Martsenko
2018-10-05  8:47 ` [PATCH v5 09/17] arm64: perf: strip PAC when unwinding userspace Kristina Martsenko
2018-10-05  8:47   ` Kristina Martsenko
2018-10-05  8:47 ` [PATCH v5 10/17] arm64: enable pointer authentication Kristina Martsenko
2018-10-05  8:47   ` Kristina Martsenko
2018-10-05  8:47 ` [PATCH v5 11/17] arm64: docs: document " Kristina Martsenko
2018-10-05  8:47   ` Kristina Martsenko
2018-10-05  9:04   ` Ramana Radhakrishnan
2018-10-05  9:04     ` Ramana Radhakrishnan
2018-10-05  9:04     ` Ramana Radhakrishnan
2018-10-16 16:14     ` Kristina Martsenko
2018-10-16 16:14       ` Kristina Martsenko
2018-10-16 16:14       ` Kristina Martsenko
2018-10-19 11:35       ` Catalin Marinas
2018-10-19 11:35         ` Catalin Marinas
2018-10-19 11:35         ` Catalin Marinas
2018-10-19 11:35         ` Catalin Marinas
2018-10-19 11:47         ` Marc Zyngier
2018-10-19 11:47           ` Marc Zyngier
2018-10-19 11:47           ` Marc Zyngier
2018-10-19 11:47           ` Marc Zyngier
2018-10-19 12:22         ` Will Deacon
2018-10-19 12:22           ` Will Deacon
2018-10-19 12:22           ` Will Deacon
2018-10-19 12:22           ` Will Deacon
2018-10-19 14:42         ` Kristina Martsenko
2018-10-19 14:42           ` Kristina Martsenko
2018-10-19 14:42           ` Kristina Martsenko
2018-10-19 14:42           ` Kristina Martsenko
2018-10-19 15:10           ` Catalin Marinas
2018-10-19 15:10             ` Catalin Marinas
2018-10-19 15:10             ` Catalin Marinas
2018-10-19 15:10             ` Catalin Marinas
2018-10-19 17:45             ` Will Deacon
2018-10-19 17:45               ` Will Deacon
2018-10-19 17:45               ` Will Deacon
2018-10-19 17:45               ` Will Deacon
2018-11-02  6:02               ` Jon Masters
2018-11-02  6:02                 ` Jon Masters
2018-11-02  6:02                 ` Jon Masters
2018-11-02  6:02                 ` Jon Masters
2018-10-24 10:56         ` Ramana Radhakrishnan
2018-10-24 10:56           ` Ramana Radhakrishnan
2018-10-24 10:56           ` Ramana Radhakrishnan
2018-10-15 22:35   ` Kees Cook
2018-10-15 22:35     ` Kees Cook
2018-11-02  9:46     ` Ramana Radhakrishnan
2018-11-02  9:46       ` Ramana Radhakrishnan
2018-11-02  9:46       ` Ramana Radhakrishnan
2018-10-05  8:47 ` [RFC 12/17] arm64: move ptrauth keys to thread_info Kristina Martsenko
2018-10-05  8:47   ` Kristina Martsenko
2018-10-19 11:38   ` Catalin Marinas
2018-10-19 11:38     ` Catalin Marinas
2018-10-05  8:47 ` [RFC 13/17] arm64: install user ptrauth keys at kernel exit time Kristina Martsenko
2018-10-05  8:47   ` Kristina Martsenko
2018-10-05  8:47 ` [RFC 14/17] arm64: unwind: strip PAC from kernel addresses Kristina Martsenko
2018-10-05  8:47   ` Kristina Martsenko
2018-10-05  8:47 ` [RFC 15/17] arm64: enable ptrauth earlier Kristina Martsenko
2018-10-05  8:47   ` Kristina Martsenko
2018-10-06 12:51   ` Amit Kachhap
2018-10-06 12:51     ` Amit Kachhap
2018-10-05  8:47 ` [RFC 16/17] arm64: initialize and switch ptrauth kernel keys Kristina Martsenko
2018-10-05  8:47   ` Kristina Martsenko
2018-10-06 12:56   ` Amit Kachhap
2018-10-06 12:56     ` Amit Kachhap
2018-10-05  8:47 ` [RFC 17/17] arm64: compile the kernel with ptrauth -msign-return-address Kristina Martsenko
2018-10-05  8:47   ` Kristina Martsenko
2018-10-05  9:01   ` Ramana Radhakrishnan
2018-10-05  9:01     ` Ramana Radhakrishnan
2018-10-05  9:01     ` Ramana Radhakrishnan
2018-10-11 14:00     ` Kristina Martsenko
2018-10-11 14:00       ` Kristina Martsenko
2018-10-11 14:00       ` Kristina Martsenko
2018-10-11 14:23   ` Vladimir Murzin
2018-10-11 14:23     ` Vladimir Murzin
2018-10-15 22:38     ` Kees Cook
2018-10-15 22:38       ` Kees Cook
2018-10-15 22:38       ` Kees Cook
2018-10-15 22:42 ` [PATCH 00/17] ARMv8.3 pointer authentication support Kees Cook
2018-10-15 22:42   ` Kees Cook
2018-11-13 16:17   ` Kristina Martsenko
2018-11-13 16:17     ` Kristina Martsenko
2018-11-13 23:09     ` Kees Cook
2018-11-13 23:09       ` Kees Cook
2018-11-14 15:54       ` Kristina Martsenko
2018-11-14 15:54         ` Kristina Martsenko
2018-11-14 21:47       ` Mark Rutland
2018-11-14 21:47         ` Mark Rutland
2018-11-14 22:48         ` Kees Cook
2018-11-14 22:48           ` Kees Cook
2018-11-14 22:48           ` Kees Cook
2018-10-19 12:36 ` Will Deacon
2018-10-19 12:36   ` Will Deacon
2018-10-23  8:39   ` Ramana Radhakrishnan
2018-10-23  8:39     ` Ramana Radhakrishnan
2018-10-23  8:39     ` Ramana Radhakrishnan
2018-10-23  8:39     ` Ramana Radhakrishnan

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