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From: "Dmitry V. Levin" <ldv@altlinux.org>
To: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>
Cc: Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>, Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>,
	Michael Ellerman <mpe@ellerman.id.au>,
	Elvira Khabirova <lineprinter@altlinux.org>,
	Eugene Syromyatnikov <esyr@redhat.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	linux-api@vger.kernel.org, Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	strace-devel@lists.strace.io
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 1/2] ptrace: save the type of syscall-stop in ptrace_message
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 18:23:46 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20181128152346.GG28206@altlinux.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20181128142006.GE30395@redhat.com>

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On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 03:20:06PM +0100, Oleg Nesterov wrote:
> On 11/28, Dmitry V. Levin wrote:
> > On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 02:49:14PM +0100, Oleg Nesterov wrote:
> > > On 11/28, Dmitry V. Levin wrote:
> > > >
> > > > +/*
> > > > + * These values are stored in task->ptrace_message by tracehook_report_syscall_*
> > > > + * to describe current syscall-stop.
> > > > + *
> > > > + * Values for these constants are chosen so that they do not appear
> > > > + * in task->ptrace_message by other means.
> > > > + */
> > > > +#define PTRACE_EVENTMSG_SYSCALL_ENTRY	0x80000000U
> > > > +#define PTRACE_EVENTMSG_SYSCALL_EXIT	0x90000000U
> > > 
> > > Again, I do not really understand the comment... Why should we care about
> > > "do not appear in task->ptrace_message by other means" ?
> > > 
> > > 2/2 should detect ptrace_report_syscall() case correctly, so we can use any
> > > numbers, say, 1 and 2?
> > > 
> > > If debugger does PTRACE_GETEVENTMSG it should know how to interpet the value
> > > anyway after wait(status).
> > 
> > Given that without this patch the value returned by PTRACE_GETEVENTMSG
> > during syscall stop is undefined, we need two different ptrace_message
> > values that cannot be set by other ptrace events to enable reliable
> > identification of syscall-enter-stop and syscall-exit-stop in userspace:
> > if we make PTRACE_GETEVENTMSG return 0 or any other value routinely set by
> > other ptrace events, it would be hard for userspace to find out whether
> > the kernel implements new semantics or not.
> 
> Hmm, why? Debugger can just do ptrace(PTRACE_GET_SYSCALL_INFO, NULL), if it
> returns EIO then it is not implemented?

The debugger that uses PTRACE_GET_SYSCALL_INFO does not need to call
PTRACE_GETEVENTMSG for syscall stops.
My concern here is the PTRACE_GETEVENTMSG interface itself.  If we use
ptrace_message to implement PTRACE_GET_SYSCALL_INFO and expose
PTRACE_EVENTMSG_SYSCALL_{ENTRY,EXIT} for regular PTRACE_GETEVENTMSG users,
it should have clear semantics.


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From: "Dmitry V. Levin" <ldv-u2l5PoMzF/Vg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
To: Oleg Nesterov <oleg-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Kees Cook <keescook-F7+t8E8rja9g9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>,
	Jann Horn <jannh-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	Michael Ellerman <mpe-Gsx/Oe8HsFggBc27wqDAHg@public.gmane.org>,
	Eugene Syromyatnikov
	<esyr-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt-nx8X9YLhiw1AfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-api-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	strace-devel-3+4lAyCyj6AWlMsSdNXQLw@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 1/2] ptrace: save the type of syscall-stop in ptrace_message
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 18:23:46 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20181128152346.GG28206@altlinux.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20181128142006.GE30395-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>


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On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 03:20:06PM +0100, Oleg Nesterov wrote:
> On 11/28, Dmitry V. Levin wrote:
> > On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 02:49:14PM +0100, Oleg Nesterov wrote:
> > > On 11/28, Dmitry V. Levin wrote:
> > > >
> > > > +/*
> > > > + * These values are stored in task->ptrace_message by tracehook_report_syscall_*
> > > > + * to describe current syscall-stop.
> > > > + *
> > > > + * Values for these constants are chosen so that they do not appear
> > > > + * in task->ptrace_message by other means.
> > > > + */
> > > > +#define PTRACE_EVENTMSG_SYSCALL_ENTRY	0x80000000U
> > > > +#define PTRACE_EVENTMSG_SYSCALL_EXIT	0x90000000U
> > > 
> > > Again, I do not really understand the comment... Why should we care about
> > > "do not appear in task->ptrace_message by other means" ?
> > > 
> > > 2/2 should detect ptrace_report_syscall() case correctly, so we can use any
> > > numbers, say, 1 and 2?
> > > 
> > > If debugger does PTRACE_GETEVENTMSG it should know how to interpet the value
> > > anyway after wait(status).
> > 
> > Given that without this patch the value returned by PTRACE_GETEVENTMSG
> > during syscall stop is undefined, we need two different ptrace_message
> > values that cannot be set by other ptrace events to enable reliable
> > identification of syscall-enter-stop and syscall-exit-stop in userspace:
> > if we make PTRACE_GETEVENTMSG return 0 or any other value routinely set by
> > other ptrace events, it would be hard for userspace to find out whether
> > the kernel implements new semantics or not.
> 
> Hmm, why? Debugger can just do ptrace(PTRACE_GET_SYSCALL_INFO, NULL), if it
> returns EIO then it is not implemented?

The debugger that uses PTRACE_GET_SYSCALL_INFO does not need to call
PTRACE_GETEVENTMSG for syscall stops.
My concern here is the PTRACE_GETEVENTMSG interface itself.  If we use
ptrace_message to implement PTRACE_GET_SYSCALL_INFO and expose
PTRACE_EVENTMSG_SYSCALL_{ENTRY,EXIT} for regular PTRACE_GETEVENTMSG users,
it should have clear semantics.


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  reply	other threads:[~2018-11-28 15:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-11-28 13:04 [PATCH v4 0/2] ptrace: add PTRACE_GET_SYSCALL_INFO request Dmitry V. Levin
2018-11-28 13:04 ` Dmitry V. Levin
2018-11-28 13:06 ` [PATCH v4 1/2] ptrace: save the type of syscall-stop in ptrace_message Dmitry V. Levin
2018-11-28 13:06   ` Dmitry V. Levin
2018-11-28 13:49   ` Oleg Nesterov
2018-11-28 14:05     ` Dmitry V. Levin
2018-11-28 14:20       ` Oleg Nesterov
2018-11-28 15:23         ` Dmitry V. Levin [this message]
2018-11-28 15:23           ` Dmitry V. Levin
2018-11-28 22:11           ` Dmitry V. Levin
2018-11-28 22:11             ` Dmitry V. Levin
2018-11-28 23:17             ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-11-29 10:34               ` Dmitry V. Levin
2018-11-29 15:03               ` Oleg Nesterov
2018-11-29 14:47             ` Oleg Nesterov
2018-11-29 21:10               ` Dmitry V. Levin
2018-11-29 21:10                 ` Dmitry V. Levin
2018-11-30 11:29                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2018-11-30 22:53                   ` Dmitry V. Levin
2018-11-30 22:53                     ` Dmitry V. Levin
2018-11-28 13:07 ` [PATCH v4 2/2] ptrace: add PTRACE_GET_SYSCALL_INFO request Dmitry V. Levin
2018-11-28 14:10   ` Oleg Nesterov
2018-11-28 14:29     ` Oleg Nesterov

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