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From: Ram Pai <linuxram@us.ibm.com>
To: Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>
Cc: Florian Weimer <fweimer@redhat.com>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>,
	Linux API <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>,
	linuxppc-dev <linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org>,
	Linux-MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>
Subject: Re: pkeys: Reserve PKEY_DISABLE_READ
Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2018 12:36:17 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20181205203617.GF11930@ram.oc3035372033.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALCETrXeSQ8T9nvK7WpgPpkraLfg70FoDWvPZeLS3KiDaqXwtw@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Dec 05, 2018 at 08:21:02AM -0800, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> > On Dec 2, 2018, at 8:02 PM, Ram Pai <linuxram@us.ibm.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, Nov 29, 2018 at 12:37:15PM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote:
> >> * Dave Hansen:
> >>
> >>>> On 11/27/18 3:57 AM, Florian Weimer wrote:
> >>>> I would have expected something that translates PKEY_DISABLE_WRITE |
> >>>> PKEY_DISABLE_READ into PKEY_DISABLE_ACCESS, and also accepts
> >>>> PKEY_DISABLE_ACCESS | PKEY_DISABLE_READ, for consistency with POWER.
> >>>>
> >>>> (My understanding is that PKEY_DISABLE_ACCESS does not disable all
> >>>> access, but produces execute-only memory.)
> >>>
> >>> Correct, it disables all data access, but not execution.
> >>
> >> So I would expect something like this (completely untested, I did not
> >> even compile this):
> >
> >
> > Ok. I re-read through the entire email thread to understand the problem and
> > the proposed solution. Let me summarize it below. Lets see if we are on the same
> > plate.
> >
> > So the problem is as follows:
> >
> > Currently the kernel supports  'disable-write'  and 'disable-access'.
> >
> > On x86, cpu supports 'disable-write' and 'disable-access'. This
> > matches with what the kernel supports. All good.
> >
> > However on power, cpu supports 'disable-read' too. Since userspace can
> > program the cpu directly, userspace has the ability to set
> > 'disable-read' too.  This can lead to inconsistency between the kernel
> > and the userspace.
> >
> > We want the kernel to match userspace on all architectures.
> >
> > Proposed Solution:
> >
> > Enhance the kernel to understand 'disable-read', and facilitate architectures
> > that understand 'disable-read' to allow it.
> >
> > Also explicitly define the semantics of disable-access  as
> > 'disable-read and disable-write'
> >
> > Did I get this right?  Assuming I did, the implementation has to do
> > the following --
> >
> >    On power, sys_pkey_alloc() should succeed if the init_val
> >    is PKEY_DISABLE_READ, PKEY_DISABLE_WRITE, PKEY_DISABLE_ACCESS
> >    or any combination of the three.
> >
> >    On x86, sys_pkey_alloc() should succeed if the init_val is
> >    PKEY_DISABLE_WRITE or PKEY_DISABLE_ACCESS or PKEY_DISABLE_READ
> >    or any combination of the three, except  PKEY_DISABLE_READ
> >          specified all by itself.
> >
> >    On all other arches, none of the flags are supported.
> 
> I don’t really love having a situation where you can use different
> flag combinations to refer to the same mode.

true. But it is a side-effect of x86 cpu implicitly defining
'disable-access' as a combination of 'disable-read' and 'disable_write'.
In other words, if you disable-access on a pte on x86, you are
automatically disabling read and disabling write on that page.
The software/kernel just happens to explicitly capture that implicit
behavior.

> 
> Also, we should document the effect these flags have on execute permission.

Actually none of the above flags, interact with execute permission. They
operate independently; both on x86 and on POWER.  But yes, this
statement needs to be documented somewhere.

RP

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From: Ram Pai <linuxram@us.ibm.com>
To: Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>
Cc: Florian Weimer <fweimer@redhat.com>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>,
	Linux-MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Linux API <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>,
	linuxppc-dev <linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org>
Subject: Re: pkeys: Reserve PKEY_DISABLE_READ
Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2018 12:36:17 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20181205203617.GF11930@ram.oc3035372033.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALCETrXeSQ8T9nvK7WpgPpkraLfg70FoDWvPZeLS3KiDaqXwtw@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Dec 05, 2018 at 08:21:02AM -0800, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> > On Dec 2, 2018, at 8:02 PM, Ram Pai <linuxram@us.ibm.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, Nov 29, 2018 at 12:37:15PM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote:
> >> * Dave Hansen:
> >>
> >>>> On 11/27/18 3:57 AM, Florian Weimer wrote:
> >>>> I would have expected something that translates PKEY_DISABLE_WRITE |
> >>>> PKEY_DISABLE_READ into PKEY_DISABLE_ACCESS, and also accepts
> >>>> PKEY_DISABLE_ACCESS | PKEY_DISABLE_READ, for consistency with POWER.
> >>>>
> >>>> (My understanding is that PKEY_DISABLE_ACCESS does not disable all
> >>>> access, but produces execute-only memory.)
> >>>
> >>> Correct, it disables all data access, but not execution.
> >>
> >> So I would expect something like this (completely untested, I did not
> >> even compile this):
> >
> >
> > Ok. I re-read through the entire email thread to understand the problem and
> > the proposed solution. Let me summarize it below. Lets see if we are on the same
> > plate.
> >
> > So the problem is as follows:
> >
> > Currently the kernel supports  'disable-write'  and 'disable-access'.
> >
> > On x86, cpu supports 'disable-write' and 'disable-access'. This
> > matches with what the kernel supports. All good.
> >
> > However on power, cpu supports 'disable-read' too. Since userspace can
> > program the cpu directly, userspace has the ability to set
> > 'disable-read' too.  This can lead to inconsistency between the kernel
> > and the userspace.
> >
> > We want the kernel to match userspace on all architectures.
> >
> > Proposed Solution:
> >
> > Enhance the kernel to understand 'disable-read', and facilitate architectures
> > that understand 'disable-read' to allow it.
> >
> > Also explicitly define the semantics of disable-access  as
> > 'disable-read and disable-write'
> >
> > Did I get this right?  Assuming I did, the implementation has to do
> > the following --
> >
> >    On power, sys_pkey_alloc() should succeed if the init_val
> >    is PKEY_DISABLE_READ, PKEY_DISABLE_WRITE, PKEY_DISABLE_ACCESS
> >    or any combination of the three.
> >
> >    On x86, sys_pkey_alloc() should succeed if the init_val is
> >    PKEY_DISABLE_WRITE or PKEY_DISABLE_ACCESS or PKEY_DISABLE_READ
> >    or any combination of the three, except  PKEY_DISABLE_READ
> >          specified all by itself.
> >
> >    On all other arches, none of the flags are supported.
> 
> I don’t really love having a situation where you can use different
> flag combinations to refer to the same mode.

true. But it is a side-effect of x86 cpu implicitly defining
'disable-access' as a combination of 'disable-read' and 'disable_write'.
In other words, if you disable-access on a pte on x86, you are
automatically disabling read and disabling write on that page.
The software/kernel just happens to explicitly capture that implicit
behavior.

> 
> Also, we should document the effect these flags have on execute permission.

Actually none of the above flags, interact with execute permission. They
operate independently; both on x86 and on POWER.  But yes, this
statement needs to be documented somewhere.

RP

  reply	other threads:[~2018-12-05 20:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-11-08 12:05 pkeys: Reserve PKEY_DISABLE_READ Florian Weimer
2018-11-08 14:57 ` Dave Hansen
2018-11-08 15:01   ` Florian Weimer
2018-11-08 17:14     ` Dave Hansen
2018-11-08 17:37       ` Florian Weimer
2018-11-08 20:12         ` Ram Pai
2018-11-08 20:12           ` Ram Pai
2018-11-08 20:23           ` Florian Weimer
2018-11-08 20:23             ` Florian Weimer
2018-11-09 18:09             ` Ram Pai
2018-11-09 18:09               ` Ram Pai
2018-11-12 12:00               ` Florian Weimer
2018-11-12 12:00                 ` Florian Weimer
2018-11-27 10:23                 ` Ram Pai
2018-11-27 10:23                   ` Ram Pai
2018-11-27 11:57                   ` Florian Weimer
2018-11-27 11:57                     ` Florian Weimer
2018-11-27 15:31                     ` Dave Hansen
2018-11-27 15:31                       ` Dave Hansen
2018-11-29 11:37                       ` Florian Weimer
2018-11-29 11:37                         ` Florian Weimer
2018-12-03  4:02                         ` Ram Pai
2018-12-03  4:02                           ` Ram Pai
2018-12-03 15:52                           ` Florian Weimer
2018-12-03 15:52                             ` Florian Weimer
2018-12-04  6:23                             ` Ram Pai
2018-12-04  6:23                               ` Ram Pai
2018-12-05 13:00                               ` Florian Weimer
2018-12-05 13:00                                 ` Florian Weimer
2018-12-05 20:23                                 ` Ram Pai
2018-12-05 20:23                                   ` Ram Pai
2018-12-05 16:21                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-12-05 16:21                             ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-12-05 20:36                             ` Ram Pai [this message]
2018-12-05 20:36                               ` Ram Pai
2018-11-08 20:08       ` Ram Pai
2018-11-08 20:11         ` Dave Hansen
2018-11-08 20:14         ` Florian Weimer
2018-11-08 19:22 ` Ram Pai
2018-11-08 19:22   ` Ram Pai
2018-11-12 10:29   ` Florian Weimer
2018-11-12 10:29     ` Florian Weimer

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