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From: Halil Pasic <pasic@linux.ibm.com>
To: Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com>
Cc: linux-s390@vger.kernel.org, Eric Farman <farman@linux.ibm.com>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, Pierre Morel <pmorel@linux.ibm.com>,
	qemu-s390x@nongnu.org, Farhan Ali <alifm@linux.ibm.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org,
	Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 2/5] vfio-ccw: concurrent I/O handling
Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2019 17:04:04 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190125170404.28c61eab@oc2783563651> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190125152154.05120461.cohuck@redhat.com>

On Fri, 25 Jan 2019 15:21:54 +0100
Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 25 Jan 2019 15:01:01 +0100
> Halil Pasic <pasic@linux.ibm.com> wrote:
> 
> > On Fri, 25 Jan 2019 13:58:35 +0100
> > Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com> wrote:
> 
> > > - We currently do not want the user space to submit another channel
> > >   program while the first one is still in flight. As submitting another
> > >   one is a valid request, however, we should allow this in the future
> > >   (once we have the code to handle that in place).  
> > 
> > I don't agree. There is at most one channel program processed by a
> > subchannel at any time. I would prefer an early error code if channel
> > programs are issued on top of each other (our virtual subchannel
> > is channel pending or FC start function bit set or similar).
> 
> You can submit a new request if the subchannel is pending with primary,
> but not with secondary state.
> 
> Regardless of that, I think it is much easier to push as much as
> possible of sorting out of requests to the hardware.
> 

Do we expect userspace/QEMU to fence the bad scenarios as tries to do
today, or is this supposed to change to hardware should sort out
requests whenever possible.

The problem I see with the let the hardware sort it out is that, for that
to work, we need to juggle multiple translations simultaneously (or am I
wrong?). Doing that does not appear particularly simple to me.
Furthermore we would go through all that hassle knowingly that the sole
reason is working around bugs. We still expect our Linux guests
serializing it's ssch() stuff as it does today. Thus I would except this
code not getting the love nor the coverage that would guard against bugs
in that code.

Regards,
Halil

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Halil Pasic <pasic@linux.ibm.com>
To: Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com>
Cc: linux-s390@vger.kernel.org, Eric Farman <farman@linux.ibm.com>,
	Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@redhat.com>,
	Pierre Morel <pmorel@linux.ibm.com>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, Farhan Ali <alifm@linux.ibm.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, qemu-s390x@nongnu.org
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 2/5] vfio-ccw: concurrent I/O handling
Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2019 17:04:04 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190125170404.28c61eab@oc2783563651> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190125152154.05120461.cohuck@redhat.com>

On Fri, 25 Jan 2019 15:21:54 +0100
Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 25 Jan 2019 15:01:01 +0100
> Halil Pasic <pasic@linux.ibm.com> wrote:
> 
> > On Fri, 25 Jan 2019 13:58:35 +0100
> > Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com> wrote:
> 
> > > - We currently do not want the user space to submit another channel
> > >   program while the first one is still in flight. As submitting another
> > >   one is a valid request, however, we should allow this in the future
> > >   (once we have the code to handle that in place).  
> > 
> > I don't agree. There is at most one channel program processed by a
> > subchannel at any time. I would prefer an early error code if channel
> > programs are issued on top of each other (our virtual subchannel
> > is channel pending or FC start function bit set or similar).
> 
> You can submit a new request if the subchannel is pending with primary,
> but not with secondary state.
> 
> Regardless of that, I think it is much easier to push as much as
> possible of sorting out of requests to the hardware.
> 

Do we expect userspace/QEMU to fence the bad scenarios as tries to do
today, or is this supposed to change to hardware should sort out
requests whenever possible.

The problem I see with the let the hardware sort it out is that, for that
to work, we need to juggle multiple translations simultaneously (or am I
wrong?). Doing that does not appear particularly simple to me.
Furthermore we would go through all that hassle knowingly that the sole
reason is working around bugs. We still expect our Linux guests
serializing it's ssch() stuff as it does today. Thus I would except this
code not getting the love nor the coverage that would guard against bugs
in that code.

Regards,
Halil

  reply	other threads:[~2019-01-25 16:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 134+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-01-21 11:03 [PATCH v2 0/5] vfio-ccw: support hsch/csch (kernel part) Cornelia Huck
2019-01-21 11:03 ` [Qemu-devel] " Cornelia Huck
2019-01-21 11:03 ` [PATCH v2 1/5] vfio-ccw: make it safe to access channel programs Cornelia Huck
2019-01-21 11:03   ` [Qemu-devel] " Cornelia Huck
2019-01-22 14:56   ` Halil Pasic
2019-01-22 14:56     ` [Qemu-devel] " Halil Pasic
2019-01-22 15:19     ` Cornelia Huck
2019-01-22 15:19       ` [Qemu-devel] " Cornelia Huck
2019-01-21 11:03 ` [PATCH v2 2/5] vfio-ccw: concurrent I/O handling Cornelia Huck
2019-01-21 11:03   ` [Qemu-devel] " Cornelia Huck
2019-01-21 20:20   ` Halil Pasic
2019-01-21 20:20     ` [Qemu-devel] " Halil Pasic
2019-01-22 10:29     ` Cornelia Huck
2019-01-22 10:29       ` [Qemu-devel] " Cornelia Huck
2019-01-22 11:17       ` Halil Pasic
2019-01-22 11:17         ` [Qemu-devel] " Halil Pasic
2019-01-22 11:53         ` Cornelia Huck
2019-01-22 11:53           ` [Qemu-devel] " Cornelia Huck
2019-01-22 12:46           ` Halil Pasic
2019-01-22 12:46             ` [Qemu-devel] " Halil Pasic
2019-01-22 17:26             ` Cornelia Huck
2019-01-22 17:26               ` [Qemu-devel] " Cornelia Huck
2019-01-22 19:03               ` Halil Pasic
2019-01-22 19:03                 ` [Qemu-devel] " Halil Pasic
2019-01-23 10:34                 ` Cornelia Huck
2019-01-23 10:34                   ` [Qemu-devel] " Cornelia Huck
2019-01-23 13:06                   ` Halil Pasic
2019-01-23 13:06                     ` [Qemu-devel] " Halil Pasic
2019-01-23 13:34                     ` Cornelia Huck
2019-01-23 13:34                       ` [Qemu-devel] " Cornelia Huck
2019-01-24 19:16                       ` Eric Farman
2019-01-24 19:16                         ` [Qemu-devel] " Eric Farman
2019-01-25 10:13                         ` Cornelia Huck
2019-01-25 10:13                           ` [Qemu-devel] " Cornelia Huck
2019-01-22 18:33   ` Halil Pasic
2019-01-22 18:33     ` [Qemu-devel] " Halil Pasic
2019-01-23 10:21     ` Cornelia Huck
2019-01-23 10:21       ` [Qemu-devel] " Cornelia Huck
2019-01-23 13:30       ` Halil Pasic
2019-01-23 13:30         ` [Qemu-devel] " Halil Pasic
2019-01-24 10:05         ` Cornelia Huck
2019-01-24 10:05           ` [Qemu-devel] " Cornelia Huck
2019-01-24 10:08       ` Pierre Morel
2019-01-24 10:08         ` [Qemu-devel] " Pierre Morel
2019-01-24 10:19         ` Cornelia Huck
2019-01-24 10:19           ` [Qemu-devel] " Cornelia Huck
2019-01-24 11:18           ` Pierre Morel
2019-01-24 11:18             ` [Qemu-devel] " Pierre Morel
2019-01-24 11:45           ` Halil Pasic
2019-01-24 11:45             ` [Qemu-devel] " Halil Pasic
2019-01-24 19:14           ` Eric Farman
2019-01-24 19:14             ` [Qemu-devel] " Eric Farman
2019-01-25  2:25   ` Eric Farman
2019-01-25  2:25     ` [Qemu-devel] " Eric Farman
2019-01-25  2:37     ` Eric Farman
2019-01-25  2:37       ` [Qemu-devel] " Eric Farman
2019-01-25 10:24       ` Cornelia Huck
2019-01-25 10:24         ` [Qemu-devel] " Cornelia Huck
2019-01-25 12:58         ` Cornelia Huck
2019-01-25 12:58           ` [Qemu-devel] " Cornelia Huck
2019-01-25 14:01           ` Halil Pasic
2019-01-25 14:01             ` [Qemu-devel] " Halil Pasic
2019-01-25 14:21             ` Cornelia Huck
2019-01-25 14:21               ` [Qemu-devel] " Cornelia Huck
2019-01-25 16:04               ` Halil Pasic [this message]
2019-01-25 16:04                 ` Halil Pasic
2019-01-28 17:13                 ` Cornelia Huck
2019-01-28 17:13                   ` [Qemu-devel] " Cornelia Huck
2019-01-28 19:30                   ` Halil Pasic
2019-01-28 19:30                     ` [Qemu-devel] " Halil Pasic
2019-01-29  9:58                     ` Cornelia Huck
2019-01-29  9:58                       ` [Qemu-devel] " Cornelia Huck
2019-01-29 19:39                       ` Halil Pasic
2019-01-29 19:39                         ` [Qemu-devel] " Halil Pasic
2019-01-30 13:29                         ` Cornelia Huck
2019-01-30 13:29                           ` [Qemu-devel] " Cornelia Huck
2019-01-30 14:32                           ` Farhan Ali
2019-01-30 14:32                             ` [Qemu-devel] " Farhan Ali
2019-01-28 17:09             ` Cornelia Huck
2019-01-28 17:09               ` [Qemu-devel] " Cornelia Huck
2019-01-28 19:15               ` Halil Pasic
2019-01-28 19:15                 ` [Qemu-devel] " Halil Pasic
2019-01-28 21:48                 ` Eric Farman
2019-01-28 21:48                   ` [Qemu-devel] " Eric Farman
2019-01-29 10:20                   ` Cornelia Huck
2019-01-29 10:20                     ` [Qemu-devel] " Cornelia Huck
2019-01-29 14:14                     ` Eric Farman
2019-01-29 14:14                       ` [Qemu-devel] " Eric Farman
2019-01-29 18:53                       ` Cornelia Huck
2019-01-29 18:53                         ` [Qemu-devel] " Cornelia Huck
2019-01-29 10:10                 ` Cornelia Huck
2019-01-29 10:10                   ` [Qemu-devel] " Cornelia Huck
2019-01-25 15:57           ` Eric Farman
2019-01-25 15:57             ` [Qemu-devel] " Eric Farman
2019-01-28 17:24             ` Cornelia Huck
2019-01-28 17:24               ` [Qemu-devel] " Cornelia Huck
2019-01-28 21:50               ` Eric Farman
2019-01-28 21:50                 ` [Qemu-devel] " Eric Farman
2019-01-25 20:22         ` Eric Farman
2019-01-25 20:22           ` [Qemu-devel] " Eric Farman
2019-01-28 17:31           ` Cornelia Huck
2019-01-28 17:31             ` [Qemu-devel] " Cornelia Huck
2019-01-25 13:09       ` Halil Pasic
2019-01-25 13:09         ` [Qemu-devel] " Halil Pasic
2019-01-25 12:58     ` Halil Pasic
2019-01-25 12:58       ` [Qemu-devel] " Halil Pasic
2019-01-25 20:21       ` Eric Farman
2019-01-25 20:21         ` [Qemu-devel] " Eric Farman
2019-01-21 11:03 ` [PATCH v2 3/5] vfio-ccw: add capabilities chain Cornelia Huck
2019-01-21 11:03   ` [Qemu-devel] " Cornelia Huck
2019-01-23 15:57   ` [qemu-s390x] " Halil Pasic
2019-01-23 15:57     ` [Qemu-devel] " Halil Pasic
2019-01-25 16:19   ` Eric Farman
2019-01-25 16:19     ` [Qemu-devel] " Eric Farman
2019-01-25 21:00     ` Eric Farman
2019-01-25 21:00       ` [Qemu-devel] " Eric Farman
2019-01-28 17:34       ` Cornelia Huck
2019-01-28 17:34         ` [Qemu-devel] " Cornelia Huck
2019-01-21 11:03 ` [PATCH v2 4/5] s390/cio: export hsch to modules Cornelia Huck
2019-01-21 11:03   ` [Qemu-devel] " Cornelia Huck
2019-01-22 15:21   ` [qemu-s390x] " Halil Pasic
2019-01-22 15:21     ` [Qemu-devel] " Halil Pasic
2019-01-21 11:03 ` [PATCH v2 5/5] vfio-ccw: add handling for async channel instructions Cornelia Huck
2019-01-21 11:03   ` [Qemu-devel] " Cornelia Huck
2019-01-23 15:51   ` Halil Pasic
2019-01-23 15:51     ` [Qemu-devel] " Halil Pasic
2019-01-24 10:06     ` Cornelia Huck
2019-01-24 10:06       ` [Qemu-devel] " Cornelia Huck
2019-01-24 10:37       ` Halil Pasic
2019-01-24 10:37         ` [Qemu-devel] " Halil Pasic
2019-01-25 21:00   ` Eric Farman
2019-01-25 21:00     ` [Qemu-devel] " Eric Farman
2019-01-28 17:40     ` Cornelia Huck
2019-01-28 17:40       ` [Qemu-devel] " Cornelia Huck

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