* [RFC NOT PULL] Experiment to add background to question part of QQZ
@ 2020-03-15 0:40 Akira Yokosawa
2020-03-15 3:26 ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-03-17 14:48 ` [RFC NOT PULL v2] " Akira Yokosawa
0 siblings, 2 replies; 10+ messages in thread
From: Akira Yokosawa @ 2020-03-15 0:40 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Paul E. McKenney; +Cc: perfbook, Akira Yokosawa
Hi Paul,
I have been experimenting to make question part of QQZ stand out.
At the moment, official targets are not affected by the change.
You can see the new look by building targets "msnt" and "1csf".
Another added target "noqq" is an experiment to remove inline questions.
Anchors to the QQAs in Appendix E are presented at the right side of
the column.
To make noqq to work, I need to change the \QuickQuiz{} macro format
so that the question part is enclosed in "{ ... }".
Please give them a try and share your thoughts.
Thanks, Akira
--
The following changes since commit c811727b76356d53dff7614d3361353527953dd1:
legal: Add a statement of the obvious (2020-03-14 14:20:11 -0700)
are available in the Git repository at:
https://github.com/akiyks/perfbook.git tags/for-paul-2020.03.15a
for you to fetch changes up to c5b74e161c4e1e6e5009f95c8e96cc34d906fe14:
defer/seqlock: Move figure env next to 1st paragraph (2020-03-15 08:51:18 +0900)
----------------------------------------------------------------
Akira Yokosawa (6):
treewide: Renew format of Quick Quiz macro
howto: Update Answer to QQZ 1.3 to mention inline QQA is not possible
Add experimental target 'noqq' (sans inline Quick Quizzes)
EXP qqz.sty: Add background color to Quiz part of Quick Quizzes
intro: Use 'VerbatimU' env for command output
defer/seqlock: Move figure env next to 1st paragraph
Makefile | 8 +-
SMPdesign/SMPdesign.tex | 42 ++--
SMPdesign/criteria.tex | 6 +-
SMPdesign/partexercises.tex | 72 +++---
advsync/rcu.tex | 24 +-
advsync/rt.tex | 60 ++---
appendix/questions/after.tex | 12 +-
appendix/questions/concurrentparallel.tex | 12 +-
appendix/questions/ordering.tex | 6 +-
appendix/toyrcu/toyrcu.tex | 162 ++++++-------
appendix/whymb/whymemorybarriers.tex | 84 +++----
count/count.tex | 384 +++++++++++++++---------------
cpu/cpu.tex | 6 +-
cpu/hwfreelunch.tex | 6 +-
cpu/overheads.tex | 31 +--
cpu/overview.tex | 12 +-
cpu/swdesign.tex | 12 +-
datastruct/datastruct.tex | 84 +++----
debugging/debugging.tex | 152 ++++++------
defer/hazptr.tex | 42 ++--
defer/rcuapi.tex | 54 ++---
defer/rcuexercises.tex | 12 +-
defer/rcufundamental.tex | 36 +--
defer/rcuintro.tex | 42 ++--
defer/rcurelated.tex | 6 +-
defer/rcuusage.tex | 78 +++---
defer/refcnt.tex | 30 +--
defer/seqlock.tex | 62 ++---
defer/whichtochoose.tex | 18 +-
easy/easy.tex | 18 +-
formal/axiomatic.tex | 36 +--
formal/dyntickrcu.tex | 90 +++----
formal/formal.tex | 12 +-
formal/ppcmem.tex | 30 +--
formal/spinhint.tex | 48 ++--
future/formalregress.tex | 42 ++--
future/htm.tex | 54 ++---
future/tm.tex | 6 +-
howto/howto.tex | 30 ++-
intro/intro.tex | 94 ++++----
locking/locking-existence.tex | 18 +-
locking/locking.tex | 156 ++++++------
memorder/memorder.tex | 246 +++++++++----------
owned/owned.tex | 42 ++--
perfbook.tex | 8 +
qqz.sty | 53 ++++-
together/applyrcu.tex | 30 +--
together/hash.tex | 6 +-
together/refcnt.tex | 42 ++--
toolsoftrade/toolsoftrade.tex | 210 ++++++++--------
utilities/extractqqz.sh | 8 +-
51 files changed, 1449 insertions(+), 1385 deletions(-)
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: [RFC NOT PULL] Experiment to add background to question part of QQZ
2020-03-15 0:40 [RFC NOT PULL] Experiment to add background to question part of QQZ Akira Yokosawa
@ 2020-03-15 3:26 ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-03-15 4:33 ` Akira Yokosawa
2020-03-17 14:48 ` [RFC NOT PULL v2] " Akira Yokosawa
1 sibling, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread
From: Paul E. McKenney @ 2020-03-15 3:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Akira Yokosawa; +Cc: perfbook
On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 09:40:37AM +0900, Akira Yokosawa wrote:
> Hi Paul,
>
> I have been experimenting to make question part of QQZ stand out.
> At the moment, official targets are not affected by the change.
> You can see the new look by building targets "msnt" and "1csf".
>
> Another added target "noqq" is an experiment to remove inline questions.
> Anchors to the QQAs in Appendix E are presented at the right side of
> the column.
>
> To make noqq to work, I need to change the \QuickQuiz{} macro format
> so that the question part is enclosed in "{ ... }".
>
> Please give them a try and share your thoughts.
Interesting, thank you for looking into this and putting it together!
The msnt version looks rather nice, actually. The 1scf in addition
might be quite a bit nicer for small-format devices, given the plain font.
The noqq version was generally OK, but there are some places with
multiple consecutive quick quizzes that look a bit strange, for example,
the first column of the Counting chapter. But people who don't like
being distracted by quick quizzes might like it. ;-)
What are your thoughts on how to proceed with this? Were you thinking
in terms of running it by a few people to get more feedback? Or did
you have something else in mind?
Thanx, Paul
> Thanks, Akira
> --
> The following changes since commit c811727b76356d53dff7614d3361353527953dd1:
>
> legal: Add a statement of the obvious (2020-03-14 14:20:11 -0700)
>
> are available in the Git repository at:
>
> https://github.com/akiyks/perfbook.git tags/for-paul-2020.03.15a
>
> for you to fetch changes up to c5b74e161c4e1e6e5009f95c8e96cc34d906fe14:
>
> defer/seqlock: Move figure env next to 1st paragraph (2020-03-15 08:51:18 +0900)
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> Akira Yokosawa (6):
> treewide: Renew format of Quick Quiz macro
> howto: Update Answer to QQZ 1.3 to mention inline QQA is not possible
> Add experimental target 'noqq' (sans inline Quick Quizzes)
> EXP qqz.sty: Add background color to Quiz part of Quick Quizzes
> intro: Use 'VerbatimU' env for command output
> defer/seqlock: Move figure env next to 1st paragraph
>
> Makefile | 8 +-
> SMPdesign/SMPdesign.tex | 42 ++--
> SMPdesign/criteria.tex | 6 +-
> SMPdesign/partexercises.tex | 72 +++---
> advsync/rcu.tex | 24 +-
> advsync/rt.tex | 60 ++---
> appendix/questions/after.tex | 12 +-
> appendix/questions/concurrentparallel.tex | 12 +-
> appendix/questions/ordering.tex | 6 +-
> appendix/toyrcu/toyrcu.tex | 162 ++++++-------
> appendix/whymb/whymemorybarriers.tex | 84 +++----
> count/count.tex | 384 +++++++++++++++---------------
> cpu/cpu.tex | 6 +-
> cpu/hwfreelunch.tex | 6 +-
> cpu/overheads.tex | 31 +--
> cpu/overview.tex | 12 +-
> cpu/swdesign.tex | 12 +-
> datastruct/datastruct.tex | 84 +++----
> debugging/debugging.tex | 152 ++++++------
> defer/hazptr.tex | 42 ++--
> defer/rcuapi.tex | 54 ++---
> defer/rcuexercises.tex | 12 +-
> defer/rcufundamental.tex | 36 +--
> defer/rcuintro.tex | 42 ++--
> defer/rcurelated.tex | 6 +-
> defer/rcuusage.tex | 78 +++---
> defer/refcnt.tex | 30 +--
> defer/seqlock.tex | 62 ++---
> defer/whichtochoose.tex | 18 +-
> easy/easy.tex | 18 +-
> formal/axiomatic.tex | 36 +--
> formal/dyntickrcu.tex | 90 +++----
> formal/formal.tex | 12 +-
> formal/ppcmem.tex | 30 +--
> formal/spinhint.tex | 48 ++--
> future/formalregress.tex | 42 ++--
> future/htm.tex | 54 ++---
> future/tm.tex | 6 +-
> howto/howto.tex | 30 ++-
> intro/intro.tex | 94 ++++----
> locking/locking-existence.tex | 18 +-
> locking/locking.tex | 156 ++++++------
> memorder/memorder.tex | 246 +++++++++----------
> owned/owned.tex | 42 ++--
> perfbook.tex | 8 +
> qqz.sty | 53 ++++-
> together/applyrcu.tex | 30 +--
> together/hash.tex | 6 +-
> together/refcnt.tex | 42 ++--
> toolsoftrade/toolsoftrade.tex | 210 ++++++++--------
> utilities/extractqqz.sh | 8 +-
> 51 files changed, 1449 insertions(+), 1385 deletions(-)
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: [RFC NOT PULL] Experiment to add background to question part of QQZ
2020-03-15 3:26 ` Paul E. McKenney
@ 2020-03-15 4:33 ` Akira Yokosawa
2020-03-15 15:20 ` Paul E. McKenney
0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread
From: Akira Yokosawa @ 2020-03-15 4:33 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Paul E. McKenney; +Cc: perfbook, Akira Yokosawa
On Sat, 14 Mar 2020 20:26:41 -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 09:40:37AM +0900, Akira Yokosawa wrote:
>> Hi Paul,
>>
>> I have been experimenting to make question part of QQZ stand out.
>> At the moment, official targets are not affected by the change.
>> You can see the new look by building targets "msnt" and "1csf".
>>
>> Another added target "noqq" is an experiment to remove inline questions.
>> Anchors to the QQAs in Appendix E are presented at the right side of
>> the column.
>>
>> To make noqq to work, I need to change the \QuickQuiz{} macro format
>> so that the question part is enclosed in "{ ... }".
>>
>> Please give them a try and share your thoughts.
>
> Interesting, thank you for looking into this and putting it together!
>
> The msnt version looks rather nice, actually. The 1scf in addition
> might be quite a bit nicer for small-format devices, given the plain font.
>
> The noqq version was generally OK, but there are some places with
> multiple consecutive quick quizzes that look a bit strange, for example,
> the first column of the Counting chapter. But people who don't like
> being distracted by quick quizzes might like it. ;-)
>
> What are your thoughts on how to proceed with this? Were you thinking
> in terms of running it by a few people to get more feedback? Or did
> you have something else in mind?
There are a couple of possible approaches.
One downside of enabling "bgqqz" by default is the increase in build
time. One pdflatex run will take around 50% longer than current
master. I guess you prefer faster build while preparing new contents.
It would be possible to enable it for the official targets only
when building on a release tag.
As for "noqq", as mentioned in the change log of commit f6852d1ab109
("Add experimental target 'noqq' (sans inline QuickQuizzes)"),
some of the essential quick quizzes are missing as you see in the
beginning of the Counting chapter.
So "noqq" at the moment is just a PoC which shows that inline
question can be actually removed.
If we add some way to annotate essential quick quizzes and to keep
them in "noqq" build, then this target might become easier to follow.
I can keep noqq build in my tree to further this direction.
The change of \QuickQuiz{} macro will frequently conflict with updates/
additions of quick quizzes. So it would be convenient for me if
you can cherry pick commit 32e96b6c281a ("treewide: Renew format of
Quick Quiz macro") now. This one should not have any effect in
the build results.
Of course, any feedback from select perfbook contributors on "msnt"
and "1csf" is more than welcome.
If you could publish the experimental branch in your tree and invite
prospective readers for their thoughts, I'd highly appreciate them.
Thanks, Akira
>
> Thanx, Paul
>
>> Thanks, Akira
>> --
>> The following changes since commit c811727b76356d53dff7614d3361353527953dd1:
>>
>> legal: Add a statement of the obvious (2020-03-14 14:20:11 -0700)
>>
>> are available in the Git repository at:
>>
>> https://github.com/akiyks/perfbook.git tags/for-paul-2020.03.15a
>>
>> for you to fetch changes up to c5b74e161c4e1e6e5009f95c8e96cc34d906fe14:
>>
>> defer/seqlock: Move figure env next to 1st paragraph (2020-03-15 08:51:18 +0900)
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------
>> Akira Yokosawa (6):
>> treewide: Renew format of Quick Quiz macro
>> howto: Update Answer to QQZ 1.3 to mention inline QQA is not possible
>> Add experimental target 'noqq' (sans inline Quick Quizzes)
>> EXP qqz.sty: Add background color to Quiz part of Quick Quizzes
>> intro: Use 'VerbatimU' env for command output
>> defer/seqlock: Move figure env next to 1st paragraph
>>
>> Makefile | 8 +-
>> SMPdesign/SMPdesign.tex | 42 ++--
>> SMPdesign/criteria.tex | 6 +-
>> SMPdesign/partexercises.tex | 72 +++---
>> advsync/rcu.tex | 24 +-
>> advsync/rt.tex | 60 ++---
>> appendix/questions/after.tex | 12 +-
>> appendix/questions/concurrentparallel.tex | 12 +-
>> appendix/questions/ordering.tex | 6 +-
>> appendix/toyrcu/toyrcu.tex | 162 ++++++-------
>> appendix/whymb/whymemorybarriers.tex | 84 +++----
>> count/count.tex | 384 +++++++++++++++---------------
>> cpu/cpu.tex | 6 +-
>> cpu/hwfreelunch.tex | 6 +-
>> cpu/overheads.tex | 31 +--
>> cpu/overview.tex | 12 +-
>> cpu/swdesign.tex | 12 +-
>> datastruct/datastruct.tex | 84 +++----
>> debugging/debugging.tex | 152 ++++++------
>> defer/hazptr.tex | 42 ++--
>> defer/rcuapi.tex | 54 ++---
>> defer/rcuexercises.tex | 12 +-
>> defer/rcufundamental.tex | 36 +--
>> defer/rcuintro.tex | 42 ++--
>> defer/rcurelated.tex | 6 +-
>> defer/rcuusage.tex | 78 +++---
>> defer/refcnt.tex | 30 +--
>> defer/seqlock.tex | 62 ++---
>> defer/whichtochoose.tex | 18 +-
>> easy/easy.tex | 18 +-
>> formal/axiomatic.tex | 36 +--
>> formal/dyntickrcu.tex | 90 +++----
>> formal/formal.tex | 12 +-
>> formal/ppcmem.tex | 30 +--
>> formal/spinhint.tex | 48 ++--
>> future/formalregress.tex | 42 ++--
>> future/htm.tex | 54 ++---
>> future/tm.tex | 6 +-
>> howto/howto.tex | 30 ++-
>> intro/intro.tex | 94 ++++----
>> locking/locking-existence.tex | 18 +-
>> locking/locking.tex | 156 ++++++------
>> memorder/memorder.tex | 246 +++++++++----------
>> owned/owned.tex | 42 ++--
>> perfbook.tex | 8 +
>> qqz.sty | 53 ++++-
>> together/applyrcu.tex | 30 +--
>> together/hash.tex | 6 +-
>> together/refcnt.tex | 42 ++--
>> toolsoftrade/toolsoftrade.tex | 210 ++++++++--------
>> utilities/extractqqz.sh | 8 +-
>> 51 files changed, 1449 insertions(+), 1385 deletions(-)
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: [RFC NOT PULL] Experiment to add background to question part of QQZ
2020-03-15 4:33 ` Akira Yokosawa
@ 2020-03-15 15:20 ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-03-15 18:43 ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-03-15 22:35 ` Akira Yokosawa
0 siblings, 2 replies; 10+ messages in thread
From: Paul E. McKenney @ 2020-03-15 15:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Akira Yokosawa; +Cc: perfbook
On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 01:33:36PM +0900, Akira Yokosawa wrote:
> On Sat, 14 Mar 2020 20:26:41 -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 09:40:37AM +0900, Akira Yokosawa wrote:
> >> Hi Paul,
> >>
> >> I have been experimenting to make question part of QQZ stand out.
> >> At the moment, official targets are not affected by the change.
> >> You can see the new look by building targets "msnt" and "1csf".
> >>
> >> Another added target "noqq" is an experiment to remove inline questions.
> >> Anchors to the QQAs in Appendix E are presented at the right side of
> >> the column.
> >>
> >> To make noqq to work, I need to change the \QuickQuiz{} macro format
> >> so that the question part is enclosed in "{ ... }".
> >>
> >> Please give them a try and share your thoughts.
> >
> > Interesting, thank you for looking into this and putting it together!
> >
> > The msnt version looks rather nice, actually. The 1scf in addition
> > might be quite a bit nicer for small-format devices, given the plain font.
> >
> > The noqq version was generally OK, but there are some places with
> > multiple consecutive quick quizzes that look a bit strange, for example,
> > the first column of the Counting chapter. But people who don't like
> > being distracted by quick quizzes might like it. ;-)
> >
> > What are your thoughts on how to proceed with this? Were you thinking
> > in terms of running it by a few people to get more feedback? Or did
> > you have something else in mind?
>
> There are a couple of possible approaches.
> One downside of enabling "bgqqz" by default is the increase in build
> time. One pdflatex run will take around 50% longer than current
> master. I guess you prefer faster build while preparing new contents.
I do, though in this case I was multitasking so wasn't paying attention
to the build time.
> It would be possible to enable it for the official targets only
> when building on a release tag.
That makes a lot of sense! Especially now that I have the
utilities/torelease.sh so that I wouldn't have to remember to use the
target for releases. ;-)
> As for "noqq", as mentioned in the change log of commit f6852d1ab109
> ("Add experimental target 'noqq' (sans inline QuickQuizzes)"),
> some of the essential quick quizzes are missing as you see in the
> beginning of the Counting chapter.
> So "noqq" at the moment is just a PoC which shows that inline
> question can be actually removed.
> If we add some way to annotate essential quick quizzes and to keep
> them in "noqq" build, then this target might become easier to follow.
> I can keep noqq build in my tree to further this direction.
Another approach is to drop any sign of the quick quizzes from the text.
Alternatively, gather them all up at the end of the chapter. This
last could be done by adding a \QuickQuizChapterEnd or some such
at the end of each \QuickQuizChapter.
But I agree that having some way to mark a few of them as important
is a good thing. In the latter case, the quick quiz could appear
both in the text and at the end of the chapter.
> The change of \QuickQuiz{} macro will frequently conflict with updates/
> additions of quick quizzes. So it would be convenient for me if
> you can cherry pick commit 32e96b6c281a ("treewide: Renew format of
> Quick Quiz macro") now. This one should not have any effect in
> the build results.
Done!
> Of course, any feedback from select perfbook contributors on "msnt"
> and "1csf" is more than welcome.
> If you could publish the experimental branch in your tree and invite
> prospective readers for their thoughts, I'd highly appreciate them.
Branch qqz.2020.03.14a now has these experimental targets. I will
check with a few people, and I can also send a separate email to
perfbook@vger.kernel.org. I would guess that not many will have
read this far. ;-)
Something like this?
Subject: Experimental quick-quiz format at branch qqz.2020.03.14a
Hello!
Akira has created a couple of new perfbook build targets
that use fancier formatting for quick quizzes. You can
build with this fanciness by checking out branch qqz.2020.03.14a
of the perfbook git archive [1], and then typing:
make msnt # Double-column format
make 1csf # Single-column format
If you get a chance to do this and look it over, please let
Akira and I know what you think. Any reason not to make this
format be the default for releases and editions? (The reason
not to it the default for normal "make" builds is that the
price of the fanciness is a slower build time.)
Thoughts?
Thanx, Paul
[1] git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/paulmck/perfbook.git
Either way, again thank you for putting this together!
Thanx, Paul
> >> The following changes since commit c811727b76356d53dff7614d3361353527953dd1:
> >>
> >> legal: Add a statement of the obvious (2020-03-14 14:20:11 -0700)
> >>
> >> are available in the Git repository at:
> >>
> >> https://github.com/akiyks/perfbook.git tags/for-paul-2020.03.15a
> >>
> >> for you to fetch changes up to c5b74e161c4e1e6e5009f95c8e96cc34d906fe14:
> >>
> >> defer/seqlock: Move figure env next to 1st paragraph (2020-03-15 08:51:18 +0900)
> >>
> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> >> Akira Yokosawa (6):
> >> treewide: Renew format of Quick Quiz macro
> >> howto: Update Answer to QQZ 1.3 to mention inline QQA is not possible
> >> Add experimental target 'noqq' (sans inline Quick Quizzes)
> >> EXP qqz.sty: Add background color to Quiz part of Quick Quizzes
> >> intro: Use 'VerbatimU' env for command output
> >> defer/seqlock: Move figure env next to 1st paragraph
> >>
> >> Makefile | 8 +-
> >> SMPdesign/SMPdesign.tex | 42 ++--
> >> SMPdesign/criteria.tex | 6 +-
> >> SMPdesign/partexercises.tex | 72 +++---
> >> advsync/rcu.tex | 24 +-
> >> advsync/rt.tex | 60 ++---
> >> appendix/questions/after.tex | 12 +-
> >> appendix/questions/concurrentparallel.tex | 12 +-
> >> appendix/questions/ordering.tex | 6 +-
> >> appendix/toyrcu/toyrcu.tex | 162 ++++++-------
> >> appendix/whymb/whymemorybarriers.tex | 84 +++----
> >> count/count.tex | 384 +++++++++++++++---------------
> >> cpu/cpu.tex | 6 +-
> >> cpu/hwfreelunch.tex | 6 +-
> >> cpu/overheads.tex | 31 +--
> >> cpu/overview.tex | 12 +-
> >> cpu/swdesign.tex | 12 +-
> >> datastruct/datastruct.tex | 84 +++----
> >> debugging/debugging.tex | 152 ++++++------
> >> defer/hazptr.tex | 42 ++--
> >> defer/rcuapi.tex | 54 ++---
> >> defer/rcuexercises.tex | 12 +-
> >> defer/rcufundamental.tex | 36 +--
> >> defer/rcuintro.tex | 42 ++--
> >> defer/rcurelated.tex | 6 +-
> >> defer/rcuusage.tex | 78 +++---
> >> defer/refcnt.tex | 30 +--
> >> defer/seqlock.tex | 62 ++---
> >> defer/whichtochoose.tex | 18 +-
> >> easy/easy.tex | 18 +-
> >> formal/axiomatic.tex | 36 +--
> >> formal/dyntickrcu.tex | 90 +++----
> >> formal/formal.tex | 12 +-
> >> formal/ppcmem.tex | 30 +--
> >> formal/spinhint.tex | 48 ++--
> >> future/formalregress.tex | 42 ++--
> >> future/htm.tex | 54 ++---
> >> future/tm.tex | 6 +-
> >> howto/howto.tex | 30 ++-
> >> intro/intro.tex | 94 ++++----
> >> locking/locking-existence.tex | 18 +-
> >> locking/locking.tex | 156 ++++++------
> >> memorder/memorder.tex | 246 +++++++++----------
> >> owned/owned.tex | 42 ++--
> >> perfbook.tex | 8 +
> >> qqz.sty | 53 ++++-
> >> together/applyrcu.tex | 30 +--
> >> together/hash.tex | 6 +-
> >> together/refcnt.tex | 42 ++--
> >> toolsoftrade/toolsoftrade.tex | 210 ++++++++--------
> >> utilities/extractqqz.sh | 8 +-
> >> 51 files changed, 1449 insertions(+), 1385 deletions(-)
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: [RFC NOT PULL] Experiment to add background to question part of QQZ
2020-03-15 15:20 ` Paul E. McKenney
@ 2020-03-15 18:43 ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-03-15 22:23 ` Akira Yokosawa
2020-03-15 22:35 ` Akira Yokosawa
1 sibling, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread
From: Paul E. McKenney @ 2020-03-15 18:43 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Akira Yokosawa; +Cc: perfbook
On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 08:20:39AM -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 01:33:36PM +0900, Akira Yokosawa wrote:
> > On Sat, 14 Mar 2020 20:26:41 -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > > On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 09:40:37AM +0900, Akira Yokosawa wrote:
> > >> Hi Paul,
> > >>
> > >> I have been experimenting to make question part of QQZ stand out.
> > >> At the moment, official targets are not affected by the change.
> > >> You can see the new look by building targets "msnt" and "1csf".
> > >>
> > >> Another added target "noqq" is an experiment to remove inline questions.
> > >> Anchors to the QQAs in Appendix E are presented at the right side of
> > >> the column.
> > >>
> > >> To make noqq to work, I need to change the \QuickQuiz{} macro format
> > >> so that the question part is enclosed in "{ ... }".
> > >>
> > >> Please give them a try and share your thoughts.
> > >
> > > Interesting, thank you for looking into this and putting it together!
> > >
> > > The msnt version looks rather nice, actually. The 1scf in addition
> > > might be quite a bit nicer for small-format devices, given the plain font.
> > >
> > > The noqq version was generally OK, but there are some places with
> > > multiple consecutive quick quizzes that look a bit strange, for example,
> > > the first column of the Counting chapter. But people who don't like
> > > being distracted by quick quizzes might like it. ;-)
> > >
> > > What are your thoughts on how to proceed with this? Were you thinking
> > > in terms of running it by a few people to get more feedback? Or did
> > > you have something else in mind?
> >
> > There are a couple of possible approaches.
> > One downside of enabling "bgqqz" by default is the increase in build
> > time. One pdflatex run will take around 50% longer than current
> > master. I guess you prefer faster build while preparing new contents.
>
> I do, though in this case I was multitasking so wasn't paying attention
> to the build time.
>
> > It would be possible to enable it for the official targets only
> > when building on a release tag.
>
> That makes a lot of sense! Especially now that I have the
> utilities/torelease.sh so that I wouldn't have to remember to use the
> target for releases. ;-)
>
> > As for "noqq", as mentioned in the change log of commit f6852d1ab109
> > ("Add experimental target 'noqq' (sans inline QuickQuizzes)"),
> > some of the essential quick quizzes are missing as you see in the
> > beginning of the Counting chapter.
> > So "noqq" at the moment is just a PoC which shows that inline
> > question can be actually removed.
> > If we add some way to annotate essential quick quizzes and to keep
> > them in "noqq" build, then this target might become easier to follow.
> > I can keep noqq build in my tree to further this direction.
>
> Another approach is to drop any sign of the quick quizzes from the text.
>
> Alternatively, gather them all up at the end of the chapter. This
> last could be done by adding a \QuickQuizChapterEnd or some such
> at the end of each \QuickQuizChapter.
>
> But I agree that having some way to mark a few of them as important
> is a good thing. In the latter case, the quick quiz could appear
> both in the text and at the end of the chapter.
>
> > The change of \QuickQuiz{} macro will frequently conflict with updates/
> > additions of quick quizzes. So it would be convenient for me if
> > you can cherry pick commit 32e96b6c281a ("treewide: Renew format of
> > Quick Quiz macro") now. This one should not have any effect in
> > the build results.
>
> Done!
>
> > Of course, any feedback from select perfbook contributors on "msnt"
> > and "1csf" is more than welcome.
> > If you could publish the experimental branch in your tree and invite
> > prospective readers for their thoughts, I'd highly appreciate them.
>
> Branch qqz.2020.03.14a now has these experimental targets. I will
> check with a few people, and I can also send a separate email to
> perfbook@vger.kernel.org. I would guess that not many will have
> read this far. ;-)
>
> Something like this?
>
> Subject: Experimental quick-quiz format at branch qqz.2020.03.14a
>
> Hello!
>
> Akira has created a couple of new perfbook build targets
> that use fancier formatting for quick quizzes. You can
> build with this fanciness by checking out branch qqz.2020.03.14a
> of the perfbook git archive [1], and then typing:
>
> make msnt # Double-column format
> make 1csf # Single-column format
>
> If you get a chance to do this and look it over, please let
> Akira and I know what you think. Any reason not to make this
> format be the default for releases and editions? (The reason
> not to it the default for normal "make" builds is that the
> price of the fanciness is a slower build time.)
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Thanx, Paul
>
> [1] git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/paulmck/perfbook.git
>
> Either way, again thank you for putting this together!
Although I am not seeing significant slowdowns due to the fancy Quick
Quizzes, as shown below. I did these from "make clean", but did not
do "make clean" between each one. I also did only a single run of each,
which is of course a benchmarking crime. ;-)
Did I mess up anything else?
Thanx, Paul
------------------------------------------------------------------------
make:
real 1m3.368s
user 1m2.785s
sys 0m0.657s
make msnt:
real 1m1.236s
user 1m0.964s
sys 0m0.249s
make 1c:
real 1m21.222s
user 1m20.507s
sys 0m0.347s
make 1csf:
real 1m27.176s
user 1m26.377s
sys 0m0.350s
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: [RFC NOT PULL] Experiment to add background to question part of QQZ
2020-03-15 18:43 ` Paul E. McKenney
@ 2020-03-15 22:23 ` Akira Yokosawa
0 siblings, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread
From: Akira Yokosawa @ 2020-03-15 22:23 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Paul E. McKenney; +Cc: perfbook, Akira Yokosawa
On Sun, 15 Mar 2020 11:43:18 -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 08:20:39AM -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
>> On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 01:33:36PM +0900, Akira Yokosawa wrote:
>>> On Sat, 14 Mar 2020 20:26:41 -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
>>>> On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 09:40:37AM +0900, Akira Yokosawa wrote:
>>>>> Hi Paul,
>>>>>
>>>>> I have been experimenting to make question part of QQZ stand out.
>>>>> At the moment, official targets are not affected by the change.
>>>>> You can see the new look by building targets "msnt" and "1csf".
>>>>>
>>>>> Another added target "noqq" is an experiment to remove inline questions.
>>>>> Anchors to the QQAs in Appendix E are presented at the right side of
>>>>> the column.
>>>>>
>>>>> To make noqq to work, I need to change the \QuickQuiz{} macro format
>>>>> so that the question part is enclosed in "{ ... }".
>>>>>
>>>>> Please give them a try and share your thoughts.
>>>>
>>>> Interesting, thank you for looking into this and putting it together!
>>>>
>>>> The msnt version looks rather nice, actually. The 1scf in addition
>>>> might be quite a bit nicer for small-format devices, given the plain font.
>>>>
>>>> The noqq version was generally OK, but there are some places with
>>>> multiple consecutive quick quizzes that look a bit strange, for example,
>>>> the first column of the Counting chapter. But people who don't like
>>>> being distracted by quick quizzes might like it. ;-)
>>>>
>>>> What are your thoughts on how to proceed with this? Were you thinking
>>>> in terms of running it by a few people to get more feedback? Or did
>>>> you have something else in mind?
>>>
>>> There are a couple of possible approaches.
>>> One downside of enabling "bgqqz" by default is the increase in build
>>> time. One pdflatex run will take around 50% longer than current
>>> master. I guess you prefer faster build while preparing new contents.
>>
>> I do, though in this case I was multitasking so wasn't paying attention
>> to the build time.
>>
>>> It would be possible to enable it for the official targets only
>>> when building on a release tag.
>>
>> That makes a lot of sense! Especially now that I have the
>> utilities/torelease.sh so that I wouldn't have to remember to use the
>> target for releases. ;-)
>>
>>> As for "noqq", as mentioned in the change log of commit f6852d1ab109
>>> ("Add experimental target 'noqq' (sans inline QuickQuizzes)"),
>>> some of the essential quick quizzes are missing as you see in the
>>> beginning of the Counting chapter.
>>> So "noqq" at the moment is just a PoC which shows that inline
>>> question can be actually removed.
>>> If we add some way to annotate essential quick quizzes and to keep
>>> them in "noqq" build, then this target might become easier to follow.
>>> I can keep noqq build in my tree to further this direction.
>>
>> Another approach is to drop any sign of the quick quizzes from the text.
>>
>> Alternatively, gather them all up at the end of the chapter. This
>> last could be done by adding a \QuickQuizChapterEnd or some such
>> at the end of each \QuickQuizChapter.
>>
>> But I agree that having some way to mark a few of them as important
>> is a good thing. In the latter case, the quick quiz could appear
>> both in the text and at the end of the chapter.
>>
>>> The change of \QuickQuiz{} macro will frequently conflict with updates/
>>> additions of quick quizzes. So it would be convenient for me if
>>> you can cherry pick commit 32e96b6c281a ("treewide: Renew format of
>>> Quick Quiz macro") now. This one should not have any effect in
>>> the build results.
>>
>> Done!
>>
>>> Of course, any feedback from select perfbook contributors on "msnt"
>>> and "1csf" is more than welcome.
>>> If you could publish the experimental branch in your tree and invite
>>> prospective readers for their thoughts, I'd highly appreciate them.
>>
>> Branch qqz.2020.03.14a now has these experimental targets. I will
>> check with a few people, and I can also send a separate email to
>> perfbook@vger.kernel.org. I would guess that not many will have
>> read this far. ;-)
>>
>> Something like this?
>>
>> Subject: Experimental quick-quiz format at branch qqz.2020.03.14a
>>
>> Hello!
>>
>> Akira has created a couple of new perfbook build targets
>> that use fancier formatting for quick quizzes. You can
>> build with this fanciness by checking out branch qqz.2020.03.14a
>> of the perfbook git archive [1], and then typing:
>>
>> make msnt # Double-column format
>> make 1csf # Single-column format
>>
>> If you get a chance to do this and look it over, please let
>> Akira and I know what you think. Any reason not to make this
>> format be the default for releases and editions? (The reason
>> not to it the default for normal "make" builds is that the
>> price of the fanciness is a slower build time.)
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> Thanx, Paul
>>
>> [1] git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/paulmck/perfbook.git
>>
>> Either way, again thank you for putting this together!
>
> Although I am not seeing significant slowdowns due to the fancy Quick
> Quizzes, as shown below. I did these from "make clean", but did not
> do "make clean" between each one. I also did only a single run of each,
> which is of course a benchmarking crime. ;-)
>
> Did I mess up anything else?
>
> Thanx, Paul
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> make:
> real 1m3.368s
> user 1m2.785s
> sys 0m0.657s
>
> make msnt:
> real 1m1.236s
> user 1m0.964s
> sys 0m0.249s
>
> make 1c:
> real 1m21.222s
> user 1m20.507s
> sys 0m0.347s
>
> make 1csf:
> real 1m27.176s
> user 1m26.377s
> sys 0m0.350s
>
Hmm.
To compare the build time at (mostly) equal condition of buffer cache,
I build a target first, remove autodate.tex, and do "time make".
This will time build with 2 runs of pdflatex.
The results look like:
make msnt
rm autodate.tex
time make msnt
at 4c7151455e14:
real 0m31.193s
user 0m30.861s
sys 0m0.214s
at c5b74e161c4e:
real 0m47.945s
user 0m47.327s
sys 0m0.217s
make 1csf
rm autodate.tex
time make 1csf
at 4c7151455e14:
real 0m30.202s
user 0m29.849s
sys 0m0.194s
at c5b74e161c4e:
real 0m46.285s
user 0m45.907s
sys 0m0.205s
Can you reproduce?
Thanks, Akira
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: [RFC NOT PULL] Experiment to add background to question part of QQZ
2020-03-15 15:20 ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-03-15 18:43 ` Paul E. McKenney
@ 2020-03-15 22:35 ` Akira Yokosawa
2020-03-16 0:11 ` Paul E. McKenney
1 sibling, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread
From: Akira Yokosawa @ 2020-03-15 22:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: paulmck; +Cc: perfbook, Akira Yokosawa
On Sun, 15 Mar 2020 08:20:39 -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 01:33:36PM +0900, Akira Yokosawa wrote:
>> On Sat, 14 Mar 2020 20:26:41 -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
>>> On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 09:40:37AM +0900, Akira Yokosawa wrote:
>>>> Hi Paul,
>>>>
>>>> I have been experimenting to make question part of QQZ stand out.
>>>> At the moment, official targets are not affected by the change.
>>>> You can see the new look by building targets "msnt" and "1csf".
>>>>
>>>> Another added target "noqq" is an experiment to remove inline questions.
>>>> Anchors to the QQAs in Appendix E are presented at the right side of
>>>> the column.
>>>>
>>>> To make noqq to work, I need to change the \QuickQuiz{} macro format
>>>> so that the question part is enclosed in "{ ... }".
>>>>
>>>> Please give them a try and share your thoughts.
>>>
>>> Interesting, thank you for looking into this and putting it together!
>>>
>>> The msnt version looks rather nice, actually. The 1scf in addition
>>> might be quite a bit nicer for small-format devices, given the plain font.
>>>
>>> The noqq version was generally OK, but there are some places with
>>> multiple consecutive quick quizzes that look a bit strange, for example,
>>> the first column of the Counting chapter. But people who don't like
>>> being distracted by quick quizzes might like it. ;-)
>>>
>>> What are your thoughts on how to proceed with this? Were you thinking
>>> in terms of running it by a few people to get more feedback? Or did
>>> you have something else in mind?
>>
>> There are a couple of possible approaches.
>> One downside of enabling "bgqqz" by default is the increase in build
>> time. One pdflatex run will take around 50% longer than current
>> master. I guess you prefer faster build while preparing new contents.
>
> I do, though in this case I was multitasking so wasn't paying attention
> to the build time.
>
>> It would be possible to enable it for the official targets only
>> when building on a release tag.
>
> That makes a lot of sense! Especially now that I have the
> utilities/torelease.sh so that I wouldn't have to remember to use the
> target for releases. ;-)
>
>> As for "noqq", as mentioned in the change log of commit f6852d1ab109
>> ("Add experimental target 'noqq' (sans inline QuickQuizzes)"),
>> some of the essential quick quizzes are missing as you see in the
>> beginning of the Counting chapter.
>> So "noqq" at the moment is just a PoC which shows that inline
>> question can be actually removed.
>> If we add some way to annotate essential quick quizzes and to keep
>> them in "noqq" build, then this target might become easier to follow.
>> I can keep noqq build in my tree to further this direction.
>
> Another approach is to drop any sign of the quick quizzes from the text.
>
> Alternatively, gather them all up at the end of the chapter. This
> last could be done by adding a \QuickQuizChapterEnd or some such
> at the end of each \QuickQuizChapter.
>
> But I agree that having some way to mark a few of them as important
> is a good thing. In the latter case, the quick quiz could appear
> both in the text and at the end of the chapter.
>
>> The change of \QuickQuiz{} macro will frequently conflict with updates/
>> additions of quick quizzes. So it would be convenient for me if
>> you can cherry pick commit 32e96b6c281a ("treewide: Renew format of
>> Quick Quiz macro") now. This one should not have any effect in
>> the build results.
>
> Done!
>
>> Of course, any feedback from select perfbook contributors on "msnt"
>> and "1csf" is more than welcome.
>> If you could publish the experimental branch in your tree and invite
>> prospective readers for their thoughts, I'd highly appreciate them.
>
> Branch qqz.2020.03.14a now has these experimental targets. I will
> check with a few people, and I can also send a separate email to
> perfbook@vger.kernel.org. I would guess that not many will have
> read this far. ;-)
>
> Something like this?
>
> Subject: Experimental quick-quiz format at branch qqz.2020.03.14a
>
> Hello!
>
> Akira has created a couple of new perfbook build targets
> that use fancier formatting for quick quizzes. You can
> build with this fanciness by checking out branch qqz.2020.03.14a
> of the perfbook git archive [1], and then typing:
>
> make msnt # Double-column format
> make 1csf # Single-column format
>
> If you get a chance to do this and look it over, please let
> Akira and I know what you think. Any reason not to make this
> format be the default for releases and editions? (The reason
> not to it the default for normal "make" builds is that the
> price of the fanciness is a slower build time.)
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Thanx, Paul
>
> [1] git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/paulmck/perfbook.git
>
> Either way, again thank you for putting this together!
Looking at the branch again, I see some of the commits are unrelated to
the format of QQZs.
I'll respin the branch and send you those changes as patches to be
applied to master. Then I'll prepare another experimental branch
and do a V2 of the "RFC NOT PULL".
Thanks, Akira
>
> Thanx, Paul
>
>>>> The following changes since commit c811727b76356d53dff7614d3361353527953dd1:
>>>>
>>>> legal: Add a statement of the obvious (2020-03-14 14:20:11 -0700)
>>>>
>>>> are available in the Git repository at:
>>>>
>>>> https://github.com/akiyks/perfbook.git tags/for-paul-2020.03.15a
>>>>
>>>> for you to fetch changes up to c5b74e161c4e1e6e5009f95c8e96cc34d906fe14:
>>>>
>>>> defer/seqlock: Move figure env next to 1st paragraph (2020-03-15 08:51:18 +0900)
>>>>
>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> Akira Yokosawa (6):
>>>> treewide: Renew format of Quick Quiz macro
>>>> howto: Update Answer to QQZ 1.3 to mention inline QQA is not possible
>>>> Add experimental target 'noqq' (sans inline Quick Quizzes)
>>>> EXP qqz.sty: Add background color to Quiz part of Quick Quizzes
>>>> intro: Use 'VerbatimU' env for command output
>>>> defer/seqlock: Move figure env next to 1st paragraph
>>>>
>>>> Makefile | 8 +-
>>>> SMPdesign/SMPdesign.tex | 42 ++--
>>>> SMPdesign/criteria.tex | 6 +-
>>>> SMPdesign/partexercises.tex | 72 +++---
>>>> advsync/rcu.tex | 24 +-
>>>> advsync/rt.tex | 60 ++---
>>>> appendix/questions/after.tex | 12 +-
>>>> appendix/questions/concurrentparallel.tex | 12 +-
>>>> appendix/questions/ordering.tex | 6 +-
>>>> appendix/toyrcu/toyrcu.tex | 162 ++++++-------
>>>> appendix/whymb/whymemorybarriers.tex | 84 +++----
>>>> count/count.tex | 384 +++++++++++++++---------------
>>>> cpu/cpu.tex | 6 +-
>>>> cpu/hwfreelunch.tex | 6 +-
>>>> cpu/overheads.tex | 31 +--
>>>> cpu/overview.tex | 12 +-
>>>> cpu/swdesign.tex | 12 +-
>>>> datastruct/datastruct.tex | 84 +++----
>>>> debugging/debugging.tex | 152 ++++++------
>>>> defer/hazptr.tex | 42 ++--
>>>> defer/rcuapi.tex | 54 ++---
>>>> defer/rcuexercises.tex | 12 +-
>>>> defer/rcufundamental.tex | 36 +--
>>>> defer/rcuintro.tex | 42 ++--
>>>> defer/rcurelated.tex | 6 +-
>>>> defer/rcuusage.tex | 78 +++---
>>>> defer/refcnt.tex | 30 +--
>>>> defer/seqlock.tex | 62 ++---
>>>> defer/whichtochoose.tex | 18 +-
>>>> easy/easy.tex | 18 +-
>>>> formal/axiomatic.tex | 36 +--
>>>> formal/dyntickrcu.tex | 90 +++----
>>>> formal/formal.tex | 12 +-
>>>> formal/ppcmem.tex | 30 +--
>>>> formal/spinhint.tex | 48 ++--
>>>> future/formalregress.tex | 42 ++--
>>>> future/htm.tex | 54 ++---
>>>> future/tm.tex | 6 +-
>>>> howto/howto.tex | 30 ++-
>>>> intro/intro.tex | 94 ++++----
>>>> locking/locking-existence.tex | 18 +-
>>>> locking/locking.tex | 156 ++++++------
>>>> memorder/memorder.tex | 246 +++++++++----------
>>>> owned/owned.tex | 42 ++--
>>>> perfbook.tex | 8 +
>>>> qqz.sty | 53 ++++-
>>>> together/applyrcu.tex | 30 +--
>>>> together/hash.tex | 6 +-
>>>> together/refcnt.tex | 42 ++--
>>>> toolsoftrade/toolsoftrade.tex | 210 ++++++++--------
>>>> utilities/extractqqz.sh | 8 +-
>>>> 51 files changed, 1449 insertions(+), 1385 deletions(-)
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: [RFC NOT PULL] Experiment to add background to question part of QQZ
2020-03-15 22:35 ` Akira Yokosawa
@ 2020-03-16 0:11 ` Paul E. McKenney
0 siblings, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread
From: Paul E. McKenney @ 2020-03-16 0:11 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Akira Yokosawa; +Cc: perfbook
On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 07:35:47AM +0900, Akira Yokosawa wrote:
> On Sun, 15 Mar 2020 08:20:39 -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 01:33:36PM +0900, Akira Yokosawa wrote:
> >> On Sat, 14 Mar 2020 20:26:41 -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> >>> On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 09:40:37AM +0900, Akira Yokosawa wrote:
> >>>> Hi Paul,
> >>>>
> >>>> I have been experimenting to make question part of QQZ stand out.
> >>>> At the moment, official targets are not affected by the change.
> >>>> You can see the new look by building targets "msnt" and "1csf".
> >>>>
> >>>> Another added target "noqq" is an experiment to remove inline questions.
> >>>> Anchors to the QQAs in Appendix E are presented at the right side of
> >>>> the column.
> >>>>
> >>>> To make noqq to work, I need to change the \QuickQuiz{} macro format
> >>>> so that the question part is enclosed in "{ ... }".
> >>>>
> >>>> Please give them a try and share your thoughts.
> >>>
> >>> Interesting, thank you for looking into this and putting it together!
> >>>
> >>> The msnt version looks rather nice, actually. The 1scf in addition
> >>> might be quite a bit nicer for small-format devices, given the plain font.
> >>>
> >>> The noqq version was generally OK, but there are some places with
> >>> multiple consecutive quick quizzes that look a bit strange, for example,
> >>> the first column of the Counting chapter. But people who don't like
> >>> being distracted by quick quizzes might like it. ;-)
> >>>
> >>> What are your thoughts on how to proceed with this? Were you thinking
> >>> in terms of running it by a few people to get more feedback? Or did
> >>> you have something else in mind?
> >>
> >> There are a couple of possible approaches.
> >> One downside of enabling "bgqqz" by default is the increase in build
> >> time. One pdflatex run will take around 50% longer than current
> >> master. I guess you prefer faster build while preparing new contents.
> >
> > I do, though in this case I was multitasking so wasn't paying attention
> > to the build time.
> >
> >> It would be possible to enable it for the official targets only
> >> when building on a release tag.
> >
> > That makes a lot of sense! Especially now that I have the
> > utilities/torelease.sh so that I wouldn't have to remember to use the
> > target for releases. ;-)
> >
> >> As for "noqq", as mentioned in the change log of commit f6852d1ab109
> >> ("Add experimental target 'noqq' (sans inline QuickQuizzes)"),
> >> some of the essential quick quizzes are missing as you see in the
> >> beginning of the Counting chapter.
> >> So "noqq" at the moment is just a PoC which shows that inline
> >> question can be actually removed.
> >> If we add some way to annotate essential quick quizzes and to keep
> >> them in "noqq" build, then this target might become easier to follow.
> >> I can keep noqq build in my tree to further this direction.
> >
> > Another approach is to drop any sign of the quick quizzes from the text.
> >
> > Alternatively, gather them all up at the end of the chapter. This
> > last could be done by adding a \QuickQuizChapterEnd or some such
> > at the end of each \QuickQuizChapter.
> >
> > But I agree that having some way to mark a few of them as important
> > is a good thing. In the latter case, the quick quiz could appear
> > both in the text and at the end of the chapter.
> >
> >> The change of \QuickQuiz{} macro will frequently conflict with updates/
> >> additions of quick quizzes. So it would be convenient for me if
> >> you can cherry pick commit 32e96b6c281a ("treewide: Renew format of
> >> Quick Quiz macro") now. This one should not have any effect in
> >> the build results.
> >
> > Done!
> >
> >> Of course, any feedback from select perfbook contributors on "msnt"
> >> and "1csf" is more than welcome.
> >> If you could publish the experimental branch in your tree and invite
> >> prospective readers for their thoughts, I'd highly appreciate them.
> >
> > Branch qqz.2020.03.14a now has these experimental targets. I will
> > check with a few people, and I can also send a separate email to
> > perfbook@vger.kernel.org. I would guess that not many will have
> > read this far. ;-)
> >
> > Something like this?
> >
> > Subject: Experimental quick-quiz format at branch qqz.2020.03.14a
> >
> > Hello!
> >
> > Akira has created a couple of new perfbook build targets
> > that use fancier formatting for quick quizzes. You can
> > build with this fanciness by checking out branch qqz.2020.03.14a
> > of the perfbook git archive [1], and then typing:
> >
> > make msnt # Double-column format
> > make 1csf # Single-column format
> >
> > If you get a chance to do this and look it over, please let
> > Akira and I know what you think. Any reason not to make this
> > format be the default for releases and editions? (The reason
> > not to it the default for normal "make" builds is that the
> > price of the fanciness is a slower build time.)
> >
> > Thoughts?
> >
> > Thanx, Paul
> >
> > [1] git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/paulmck/perfbook.git
> >
> > Either way, again thank you for putting this together!
>
> Looking at the branch again, I see some of the commits are unrelated to
> the format of QQZs.
>
> I'll respin the branch and send you those changes as patches to be
> applied to master. Then I'll prepare another experimental branch
> and do a V2 of the "RFC NOT PULL".
Sounds good! As with last time, I will pull it but not merge it into
the master branch, at least not yet.
Thanx, Paul
> Thanks, Akira
>
> >
> > Thanx, Paul
> >
> >>>> The following changes since commit c811727b76356d53dff7614d3361353527953dd1:
> >>>>
> >>>> legal: Add a statement of the obvious (2020-03-14 14:20:11 -0700)
> >>>>
> >>>> are available in the Git repository at:
> >>>>
> >>>> https://github.com/akiyks/perfbook.git tags/for-paul-2020.03.15a
> >>>>
> >>>> for you to fetch changes up to c5b74e161c4e1e6e5009f95c8e96cc34d906fe14:
> >>>>
> >>>> defer/seqlock: Move figure env next to 1st paragraph (2020-03-15 08:51:18 +0900)
> >>>>
> >>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>> Akira Yokosawa (6):
> >>>> treewide: Renew format of Quick Quiz macro
> >>>> howto: Update Answer to QQZ 1.3 to mention inline QQA is not possible
> >>>> Add experimental target 'noqq' (sans inline Quick Quizzes)
> >>>> EXP qqz.sty: Add background color to Quiz part of Quick Quizzes
> >>>> intro: Use 'VerbatimU' env for command output
> >>>> defer/seqlock: Move figure env next to 1st paragraph
> >>>>
> >>>> Makefile | 8 +-
> >>>> SMPdesign/SMPdesign.tex | 42 ++--
> >>>> SMPdesign/criteria.tex | 6 +-
> >>>> SMPdesign/partexercises.tex | 72 +++---
> >>>> advsync/rcu.tex | 24 +-
> >>>> advsync/rt.tex | 60 ++---
> >>>> appendix/questions/after.tex | 12 +-
> >>>> appendix/questions/concurrentparallel.tex | 12 +-
> >>>> appendix/questions/ordering.tex | 6 +-
> >>>> appendix/toyrcu/toyrcu.tex | 162 ++++++-------
> >>>> appendix/whymb/whymemorybarriers.tex | 84 +++----
> >>>> count/count.tex | 384 +++++++++++++++---------------
> >>>> cpu/cpu.tex | 6 +-
> >>>> cpu/hwfreelunch.tex | 6 +-
> >>>> cpu/overheads.tex | 31 +--
> >>>> cpu/overview.tex | 12 +-
> >>>> cpu/swdesign.tex | 12 +-
> >>>> datastruct/datastruct.tex | 84 +++----
> >>>> debugging/debugging.tex | 152 ++++++------
> >>>> defer/hazptr.tex | 42 ++--
> >>>> defer/rcuapi.tex | 54 ++---
> >>>> defer/rcuexercises.tex | 12 +-
> >>>> defer/rcufundamental.tex | 36 +--
> >>>> defer/rcuintro.tex | 42 ++--
> >>>> defer/rcurelated.tex | 6 +-
> >>>> defer/rcuusage.tex | 78 +++---
> >>>> defer/refcnt.tex | 30 +--
> >>>> defer/seqlock.tex | 62 ++---
> >>>> defer/whichtochoose.tex | 18 +-
> >>>> easy/easy.tex | 18 +-
> >>>> formal/axiomatic.tex | 36 +--
> >>>> formal/dyntickrcu.tex | 90 +++----
> >>>> formal/formal.tex | 12 +-
> >>>> formal/ppcmem.tex | 30 +--
> >>>> formal/spinhint.tex | 48 ++--
> >>>> future/formalregress.tex | 42 ++--
> >>>> future/htm.tex | 54 ++---
> >>>> future/tm.tex | 6 +-
> >>>> howto/howto.tex | 30 ++-
> >>>> intro/intro.tex | 94 ++++----
> >>>> locking/locking-existence.tex | 18 +-
> >>>> locking/locking.tex | 156 ++++++------
> >>>> memorder/memorder.tex | 246 +++++++++----------
> >>>> owned/owned.tex | 42 ++--
> >>>> perfbook.tex | 8 +
> >>>> qqz.sty | 53 ++++-
> >>>> together/applyrcu.tex | 30 +--
> >>>> together/hash.tex | 6 +-
> >>>> together/refcnt.tex | 42 ++--
> >>>> toolsoftrade/toolsoftrade.tex | 210 ++++++++--------
> >>>> utilities/extractqqz.sh | 8 +-
> >>>> 51 files changed, 1449 insertions(+), 1385 deletions(-)
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* [RFC NOT PULL v2] Experiment to add background to question part of QQZ
2020-03-15 0:40 [RFC NOT PULL] Experiment to add background to question part of QQZ Akira Yokosawa
2020-03-15 3:26 ` Paul E. McKenney
@ 2020-03-17 14:48 ` Akira Yokosawa
2020-03-17 21:12 ` Paul E. McKenney
1 sibling, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread
From: Akira Yokosawa @ 2020-03-17 14:48 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Paul E. McKenney; +Cc: perfbook, Akira Yokosawa
Hi Paul,
So this is the v2 of the "RFC NOT PULL".
This contains a single commit to add experimental targets "2cqq" and "1cqq".
It enables qqzbg (renamed from v1's bgqqz) in "msnt" and "1csf" as well.
Changes since v1:
* Rebased on current master.
* To clarify the corresponding official targets, add targets "2cqq" and "1cqq"
which uses the same fonts as "2c" and "1c".
Comments to the invitation message (just want to be sure):
> Subject: Experimental quick-quiz format at branch qqz.2020.03.14a
Whatever branch name here.
>
> Hello!
>
> Akira has created a couple of new perfbook build targets
> that use fancier formatting for quick quizzes. You can
> build with this fanciness by checking out branch qqz.2020.03.14a
ditto.
> of the perfbook git archive [1], and then typing:
>
> make msnt # Double-column format
> make 1csf # Single-column format
make 2cqq # Double-column format
make 1cqq # Single-column format
>
> If you get a chance to do this and look it over, please let
> Akira and I know what you think. Any reason not to make this
> format be the default for releases and editions? (The reason
> not to it the default for normal "make" builds is that the
> price of the fanciness is a slower build time.)
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Thanx, Paul
>
> [1] git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/paulmck/perfbook.git
And please remove the old branch qqz.2020.03.14a from your tree to avoid
any confusion.
Thanks, Akira
--
The following changes since commit efba3f18f0f619bcf6e82352cf3cddb6f8e607cb:
defer/seqlock: Move figure env next to 1st paragraph (2020-03-16 09:08:42 -0700)
are available in the Git repository at:
https://github.com/akiyks/perfbook.git tags/for-paul-2020.03.17a
for you to fetch changes up to 01dcc70d3f66a1224ba63dc50bbe8370d3711c1b:
qqz.sty: Add background color to Quiz part of Quick Quizzes (2020-03-17 20:24:09 +0900)
----------------------------------------------------------------
Akira Yokosawa (1):
qqz.sty: Add background color to Quiz part of Quick Quizzes
Makefile | 12 +++++++++++-
perfbook.tex | 4 ++++
qqz.sty | 31 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++-
3 files changed, 45 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: [RFC NOT PULL v2] Experiment to add background to question part of QQZ
2020-03-17 14:48 ` [RFC NOT PULL v2] " Akira Yokosawa
@ 2020-03-17 21:12 ` Paul E. McKenney
0 siblings, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread
From: Paul E. McKenney @ 2020-03-17 21:12 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Akira Yokosawa; +Cc: perfbook
On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 11:48:48PM +0900, Akira Yokosawa wrote:
> Hi Paul,
>
> So this is the v2 of the "RFC NOT PULL".
> This contains a single commit to add experimental targets "2cqq" and "1cqq".
> It enables qqzbg (renamed from v1's bgqqz) in "msnt" and "1csf" as well.
>
> Changes since v1:
>
> * Rebased on current master.
> * To clarify the corresponding official targets, add targets "2cqq" and "1cqq"
> which uses the same fonts as "2c" and "1c".
>
> Comments to the invitation message (just want to be sure):
>
> > Subject: Experimental quick-quiz format at branch qqz.2020.03.14a
>
> Whatever branch name here.
>
> >
> > Hello!
> >
> > Akira has created a couple of new perfbook build targets
> > that use fancier formatting for quick quizzes. You can
> > build with this fanciness by checking out branch qqz.2020.03.14a
>
> ditto.
>
> > of the perfbook git archive [1], and then typing:
> >
> > make msnt # Double-column format
> > make 1csf # Single-column format
>
> make 2cqq # Double-column format
> make 1cqq # Single-column format
>
> >
> > If you get a chance to do this and look it over, please let
> > Akira and I know what you think. Any reason not to make this
> > format be the default for releases and editions? (The reason
> > not to it the default for normal "make" builds is that the
> > price of the fanciness is a slower build time.)
> >
> > Thoughts?
> >
> > Thanx, Paul
> >
> > [1] git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/paulmck/perfbook.git
>
> And please remove the old branch qqz.2020.03.14a from your tree to avoid
> any confusion.
Done, and the new branch name is qqz.2020.03.17a, thank you!
Thanx, Paul
> Thanks, Akira
> --
> The following changes since commit efba3f18f0f619bcf6e82352cf3cddb6f8e607cb:
>
> defer/seqlock: Move figure env next to 1st paragraph (2020-03-16 09:08:42 -0700)
>
> are available in the Git repository at:
>
> https://github.com/akiyks/perfbook.git tags/for-paul-2020.03.17a
>
> for you to fetch changes up to 01dcc70d3f66a1224ba63dc50bbe8370d3711c1b:
>
> qqz.sty: Add background color to Quiz part of Quick Quizzes (2020-03-17 20:24:09 +0900)
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> Akira Yokosawa (1):
> qqz.sty: Add background color to Quiz part of Quick Quizzes
>
> Makefile | 12 +++++++++++-
> perfbook.tex | 4 ++++
> qqz.sty | 31 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++-
> 3 files changed, 45 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
>
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