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From: Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>
To: Dave Martin <Dave.Martin@arm.com>
Cc: mtk.manpages@gmail.com, linux-man@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Amit Daniel Kachhap <amit.kachhap@arm.com>,
	Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 14/14] prctl.2: Add PR_PAC_RESET_KEYS (arm64)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 22:00:22 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200513210022.GA28594@willie-the-truck> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200513143653.GQ21779@arm.com>

On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 03:36:54PM +0100, Dave Martin wrote:
> On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 08:25:31AM +0100, Will Deacon wrote:
> > On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 05:36:59PM +0100, Dave Martin wrote:
> > > +As a special case, if
> > > +.I arg2
> > > +is zero then all the keys are reset.
> > > +Since new keys could be added in future,
> > > +this is the recommended way to completely wipe the existing keys
> > > +when creating a new execution context.
> > 
> > I see what you're saying, but the keys are also reset on exec() iirc, so we
> > don't want to encourage people to issue the prctl() unnecessarily
> > immediately following an exec().
> 
> I thought of saying that, then pulled it out again.
> 
> How about:
> 
> "[...] a new execution context within an existing process.  Note that
> execve() always resets all the keys as part of its operation, without
> the need for this prctl() call.  PR_PAC_RESET_KEYS is intended for
> custom situations that do not involve execve(), such as creating a new
> managed run-time sandbox."
> 
> I deliberately don't say "thread" because that's probably libc's job.
> I'll need to check glibc does, though.  There may be issues with
> pthreads semantics that mean we can't reset the keys there.

That's better, but you may even be able to drop the "such as..." part, I
reckon.

> > > @@ -1920,6 +1960,27 @@ are not 0.
> > >  .B EINVAL
> > >  .I option
> > >  was
> > > +.B PR_PAC_RESET_KEYS
> > > +and
> > > +.I arg2
> > > +contains non-zero bits other than
> > > +.BR
> > > +.BR PR_PAC_APIAKEY ,
> > > +.BR PR_PAC_APIBKEY ,
> > > +.BR PR_PAC_APDAKEY ,
> > > +.B PR_PAC_APDBKEY
> > > +and
> > > +.BR PR_PAC_APGAKEY ;
> > > +or
> > > +.IR arg3 ,
> > > +.I arg4
> > > +and
> > > +.I arg5
> > > +were not all zero.
> > 
> > Do we care about other reasons for -EINVAL, such as the system not
> > supporting pointer authentication?
> 
> Again, I tried to catch that under the new "not supported by this
> platform" wording in the earlier patch.  Do you think that's sufficient,
> or do we need something else here?

As long as it's clear that the prctl() *can* fail and userspace can't just
ignore the return value, then I'm happy. If it's not obvious, then spelling
it out seems harmless to me.

Will

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Will Deacon <will-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
To: Dave Martin <Dave.Martin-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
Cc: mtk.manpages-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org,
	linux-man-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	linux-arch-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	linux-arm-kernel-IAPFreCvJWM7uuMidbF8XUB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>,
	Amit Daniel Kachhap <amit.kachhap-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>,
	Mark Rutland <mark.rutland-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 14/14] prctl.2: Add PR_PAC_RESET_KEYS (arm64)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 22:00:22 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200513210022.GA28594@willie-the-truck> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200513143653.GQ21779-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>

On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 03:36:54PM +0100, Dave Martin wrote:
> On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 08:25:31AM +0100, Will Deacon wrote:
> > On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 05:36:59PM +0100, Dave Martin wrote:
> > > +As a special case, if
> > > +.I arg2
> > > +is zero then all the keys are reset.
> > > +Since new keys could be added in future,
> > > +this is the recommended way to completely wipe the existing keys
> > > +when creating a new execution context.
> > 
> > I see what you're saying, but the keys are also reset on exec() iirc, so we
> > don't want to encourage people to issue the prctl() unnecessarily
> > immediately following an exec().
> 
> I thought of saying that, then pulled it out again.
> 
> How about:
> 
> "[...] a new execution context within an existing process.  Note that
> execve() always resets all the keys as part of its operation, without
> the need for this prctl() call.  PR_PAC_RESET_KEYS is intended for
> custom situations that do not involve execve(), such as creating a new
> managed run-time sandbox."
> 
> I deliberately don't say "thread" because that's probably libc's job.
> I'll need to check glibc does, though.  There may be issues with
> pthreads semantics that mean we can't reset the keys there.

That's better, but you may even be able to drop the "such as..." part, I
reckon.

> > > @@ -1920,6 +1960,27 @@ are not 0.
> > >  .B EINVAL
> > >  .I option
> > >  was
> > > +.B PR_PAC_RESET_KEYS
> > > +and
> > > +.I arg2
> > > +contains non-zero bits other than
> > > +.BR
> > > +.BR PR_PAC_APIAKEY ,
> > > +.BR PR_PAC_APIBKEY ,
> > > +.BR PR_PAC_APDAKEY ,
> > > +.B PR_PAC_APDBKEY
> > > +and
> > > +.BR PR_PAC_APGAKEY ;
> > > +or
> > > +.IR arg3 ,
> > > +.I arg4
> > > +and
> > > +.I arg5
> > > +were not all zero.
> > 
> > Do we care about other reasons for -EINVAL, such as the system not
> > supporting pointer authentication?
> 
> Again, I tried to catch that under the new "not supported by this
> platform" wording in the earlier patch.  Do you think that's sufficient,
> or do we need something else here?

As long as it's clear that the prctl() *can* fail and userspace can't just
ignore the return value, then I'm happy. If it's not obvious, then spelling
it out seems harmless to me.

Will

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>
To: Dave Martin <Dave.Martin@arm.com>
Cc: linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, linux-man@vger.kernel.org,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	mtk.manpages@gmail.com,
	Amit Daniel Kachhap <amit.kachhap@arm.com>,
	Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 14/14] prctl.2: Add PR_PAC_RESET_KEYS (arm64)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 22:00:22 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200513210022.GA28594@willie-the-truck> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200513143653.GQ21779@arm.com>

On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 03:36:54PM +0100, Dave Martin wrote:
> On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 08:25:31AM +0100, Will Deacon wrote:
> > On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 05:36:59PM +0100, Dave Martin wrote:
> > > +As a special case, if
> > > +.I arg2
> > > +is zero then all the keys are reset.
> > > +Since new keys could be added in future,
> > > +this is the recommended way to completely wipe the existing keys
> > > +when creating a new execution context.
> > 
> > I see what you're saying, but the keys are also reset on exec() iirc, so we
> > don't want to encourage people to issue the prctl() unnecessarily
> > immediately following an exec().
> 
> I thought of saying that, then pulled it out again.
> 
> How about:
> 
> "[...] a new execution context within an existing process.  Note that
> execve() always resets all the keys as part of its operation, without
> the need for this prctl() call.  PR_PAC_RESET_KEYS is intended for
> custom situations that do not involve execve(), such as creating a new
> managed run-time sandbox."
> 
> I deliberately don't say "thread" because that's probably libc's job.
> I'll need to check glibc does, though.  There may be issues with
> pthreads semantics that mean we can't reset the keys there.

That's better, but you may even be able to drop the "such as..." part, I
reckon.

> > > @@ -1920,6 +1960,27 @@ are not 0.
> > >  .B EINVAL
> > >  .I option
> > >  was
> > > +.B PR_PAC_RESET_KEYS
> > > +and
> > > +.I arg2
> > > +contains non-zero bits other than
> > > +.BR
> > > +.BR PR_PAC_APIAKEY ,
> > > +.BR PR_PAC_APIBKEY ,
> > > +.BR PR_PAC_APDAKEY ,
> > > +.B PR_PAC_APDBKEY
> > > +and
> > > +.BR PR_PAC_APGAKEY ;
> > > +or
> > > +.IR arg3 ,
> > > +.I arg4
> > > +and
> > > +.I arg5
> > > +were not all zero.
> > 
> > Do we care about other reasons for -EINVAL, such as the system not
> > supporting pointer authentication?
> 
> Again, I tried to catch that under the new "not supported by this
> platform" wording in the earlier patch.  Do you think that's sufficient,
> or do we need something else here?

As long as it's clear that the prctl() *can* fail and userspace can't just
ignore the return value, then I'm happy. If it's not obvious, then spelling
it out seems harmless to me.

Will

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Thread overview: 149+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-05-12 16:36 [PATCH 00/14] prctl.2 man page updates for Linux 5.6 Dave Martin
2020-05-12 16:36 ` Dave Martin
2020-05-12 16:36 ` Dave Martin
2020-05-12 16:36 ` [PATCH 01/14] prctl.2: tfix clarify that prctl can apply to threads Dave Martin
2020-05-12 16:36   ` Dave Martin
2020-05-13  8:30   ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2020-05-13  8:30     ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2020-05-13  8:30     ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2020-05-12 16:36 ` [PATCH 02/14] prctl.2: Add health warning Dave Martin
2020-05-12 16:36   ` Dave Martin
2020-05-12 16:36   ` Dave Martin
2020-05-13 10:10   ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2020-05-13 10:10     ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2020-05-13 10:10     ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2020-05-13 11:13     ` Dave Martin
2020-05-13 11:13       ` Dave Martin
2020-05-13 11:40       ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2020-05-13 11:40         ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2020-05-13 11:40         ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2020-05-13 11:41         ` Dave Martin
2020-05-13 11:41           ` Dave Martin
2020-05-13 11:41           ` Dave Martin
2020-05-12 16:36 ` [PATCH 03/14] prctl.2: tfix mis-description of thread ID values in procfs Dave Martin
2020-05-12 16:36   ` Dave Martin
2020-05-13  8:36   ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2020-05-13  8:36     ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2020-05-12 16:36 ` [PATCH 04/14] prctl.2: srcfix add comments for navigation Dave Martin
2020-05-12 16:36   ` Dave Martin
2020-05-13 10:09   ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2020-05-13 10:09     ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2020-05-13 10:56     ` Dave Martin
2020-05-13 10:56       ` Dave Martin
2020-05-13 11:03       ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2020-05-13 11:03         ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2020-05-13 11:03         ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2020-05-13 11:15         ` Dave Martin
2020-05-13 11:15           ` Dave Martin
2020-05-13 11:48           ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2020-05-13 11:48             ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2020-05-13 11:48             ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2020-05-13 11:51             ` Dave Martin
2020-05-13 11:51               ` Dave Martin
2020-05-13 11:51               ` Dave Martin
2020-05-12 16:36 ` [PATCH 05/14] prctl.2: tfix listing order of prctls Dave Martin
2020-05-12 16:36   ` Dave Martin
2020-05-12 16:36   ` Dave Martin
2020-05-13 10:10   ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2020-05-13 10:10     ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2020-05-13 11:21     ` Dave Martin
2020-05-13 11:21       ` Dave Martin
2020-05-13 11:21       ` Dave Martin
2020-05-13 11:31       ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2020-05-13 11:31         ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2020-05-13 11:31         ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2020-05-13 11:45         ` Dave Martin
2020-05-13 11:45           ` Dave Martin
2020-05-13 11:45           ` Dave Martin
2020-05-12 16:36 ` [PATCH 06/14] prctl.2: ffix quotation mark tweaks Dave Martin
2020-05-12 16:36   ` Dave Martin
2020-05-12 16:36   ` Dave Martin
2020-05-13 10:11   ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2020-05-13 10:11     ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2020-05-13 10:11     ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2020-05-13 11:39     ` Dave Martin
2020-05-13 11:39       ` Dave Martin
2020-05-13 11:39       ` Dave Martin
2020-05-13 11:46       ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2020-05-13 11:46         ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2020-05-13 11:51         ` Dave Martin
2020-05-13 11:51           ` Dave Martin
2020-05-13 11:51           ` Dave Martin
2020-05-12 16:36 ` [PATCH 07/14] prctl.2: Document removal of Intel MPX prctls Dave Martin
2020-05-12 16:36   ` Dave Martin
2020-05-12 16:36   ` Dave Martin
2020-05-12 16:41   ` Dave Hansen
2020-05-12 16:41     ` Dave Hansen
2020-05-13 10:11   ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2020-05-13 10:11     ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2020-05-13 10:11     ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2020-05-12 16:36 ` [PATCH 08/14] prctl.2: Work around bogus constant "maxsig" in PR_SET_PDEATHSIG Dave Martin
2020-05-12 16:36   ` Dave Martin
2020-05-13 10:30   ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2020-05-13 10:30     ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2020-05-13 10:30     ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2020-05-12 16:36 ` [PATCH 09/14] prctl.2: tfix minor punctuation in SPECULATION_CTRL prctls Dave Martin
2020-05-12 16:36   ` Dave Martin
2020-05-12 16:36   ` Dave Martin
2020-05-13 10:31   ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2020-05-13 10:31     ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2020-05-13 10:31     ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2020-05-12 16:36 ` [PATCH 10/14] prctl.2: Add PR_SPEC_INDIRECT_BRANCH for " Dave Martin
2020-05-12 16:36   ` Dave Martin
2020-05-12 16:36   ` Dave Martin
2020-05-13 11:21   ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2020-05-13 11:21     ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2020-05-13 11:21     ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2020-05-13 11:49     ` Dave Martin
2020-05-13 11:49       ` Dave Martin
2020-05-13 12:06       ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2020-05-13 12:06         ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2020-05-13 12:06         ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2020-05-13 13:53         ` Dave Martin
2020-05-13 13:53           ` Dave Martin
2020-05-13 13:53           ` Dave Martin
2020-05-12 16:36 ` [PATCH 11/14] prctl.2: Add PR_SPEC_DISABLE_NOEXEC " Dave Martin
2020-05-12 16:36   ` Dave Martin
2020-05-12 16:36 ` [PATCH 12/14] prctl.2: Clarify the unsupported hardware case of EINVAL Dave Martin
2020-05-12 16:36   ` Dave Martin
2020-05-12 16:36   ` Dave Martin
2020-05-13 10:48   ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2020-05-13 10:48     ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2020-05-12 16:36 ` [PATCH 13/14] prctl.2: Add SVE prctls (arm64) Dave Martin
2020-05-12 16:36   ` Dave Martin
2020-05-13  8:43   ` Will Deacon
2020-05-13  8:43     ` Will Deacon
2020-05-13  8:43     ` Will Deacon
2020-05-13 10:46     ` Dave Martin
2020-05-13 10:46       ` Dave Martin
2020-05-13 10:46       ` Dave Martin
2020-05-13 11:01       ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2020-05-13 11:01         ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2020-05-13 14:02         ` Dave Martin
2020-05-13 14:02           ` Dave Martin
2020-05-13 14:02           ` Dave Martin
2020-05-13 21:11           ` Will Deacon
2020-05-13 21:11             ` Will Deacon
2020-05-13 21:11             ` Will Deacon
2020-05-18 16:37             ` Dave Martin
2020-05-18 16:37               ` Dave Martin
2020-05-26 14:45             ` Dave Martin
2020-05-26 14:45               ` Dave Martin
2020-05-12 16:36 ` [PATCH 14/14] prctl.2: Add PR_PAC_RESET_KEYS (arm64) Dave Martin
2020-05-12 16:36   ` Dave Martin
2020-05-13  7:25   ` Will Deacon
2020-05-13  7:25     ` Will Deacon
2020-05-13 14:36     ` Dave Martin
2020-05-13 14:36       ` Dave Martin
2020-05-13 14:36       ` Dave Martin
2020-05-13 21:00       ` Will Deacon [this message]
2020-05-13 21:00         ` Will Deacon
2020-05-13 21:00         ` Will Deacon
2020-05-18 16:11         ` Dave Martin
2020-05-18 16:11           ` Dave Martin
2020-05-18 16:11           ` Dave Martin
2020-05-18 16:29           ` Will Deacon
2020-05-18 16:29             ` Will Deacon
2020-05-18 16:29             ` Will Deacon
2020-05-13 11:28 ` [PATCH 00/14] prctl.2 man page updates for Linux 5.6 Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2020-05-13 11:28   ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)

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