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From: Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@gmail.com>
To: Liu Yi L <yi.l.liu@intel.com>
Cc: alex.williamson@redhat.com, eric.auger@redhat.com,
	baolu.lu@linux.intel.com, joro@8bytes.org, kevin.tian@intel.com,
	jacob.jun.pan@linux.intel.com, ashok.raj@intel.com,
	jun.j.tian@intel.com, yi.y.sun@intel.com,
	jean-philippe@linaro.org, peterx@redhat.com, hao.wu@intel.com,
	iommu@lists.linux-foundation.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 00/15] vfio: expose virtual Shared Virtual Addressing to VMs
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2020 11:02:14 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200615100214.GC1491454@stefanha-x1.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1591877734-66527-1-git-send-email-yi.l.liu@intel.com>

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On Thu, Jun 11, 2020 at 05:15:19AM -0700, Liu Yi L wrote:
> Shared Virtual Addressing (SVA), a.k.a, Shared Virtual Memory (SVM) on
> Intel platforms allows address space sharing between device DMA and
> applications. SVA can reduce programming complexity and enhance security.
> 
> This VFIO series is intended to expose SVA usage to VMs. i.e. Sharing
> guest application address space with passthru devices. This is called
> vSVA in this series. The whole vSVA enabling requires QEMU/VFIO/IOMMU
> changes. For IOMMU and QEMU changes, they are in separate series (listed
> in the "Related series").
> 
> The high-level architecture for SVA virtualization is as below, the key
> design of vSVA support is to utilize the dual-stage IOMMU translation (
> also known as IOMMU nesting translation) capability in host IOMMU.
> 
> 
>     .-------------.  .---------------------------.
>     |   vIOMMU    |  | Guest process CR3, FL only|
>     |             |  '---------------------------'
>     .----------------/
>     | PASID Entry |--- PASID cache flush -
>     '-------------'                       |
>     |             |                       V
>     |             |                CR3 in GPA
>     '-------------'
> Guest
> ------| Shadow |--------------------------|--------
>       v        v                          v
> Host
>     .-------------.  .----------------------.
>     |   pIOMMU    |  | Bind FL for GVA-GPA  |
>     |             |  '----------------------'
>     .----------------/  |
>     | PASID Entry |     V (Nested xlate)
>     '----------------\.------------------------------.
>     |             |   |SL for GPA-HPA, default domain|
>     |             |   '------------------------------'
>     '-------------'
> Where:
>  - FL = First level/stage one page tables
>  - SL = Second level/stage two page tables

Hi,
Looks like an interesting feature!

To check I understand this feature: can applications now pass virtual
addresses to devices instead of translating to IOVAs?

If yes, can guest applications restrict the vSVA address space so the
device only has access to certain regions?

On one hand replacing IOVA translation with virtual addresses simplifies
the application programming model, but does it give up isolation if the
device can now access all application memory?

Thanks,
Stefan

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From: Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@gmail.com>
To: Liu Yi L <yi.l.liu@intel.com>
Cc: jean-philippe@linaro.org, kevin.tian@intel.com,
	ashok.raj@intel.com, kvm@vger.kernel.org, yi.y.sun@intel.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, alex.williamson@redhat.com,
	iommu@lists.linux-foundation.org, hao.wu@intel.com,
	jun.j.tian@intel.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 00/15] vfio: expose virtual Shared Virtual Addressing to VMs
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2020 11:02:14 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200615100214.GC1491454@stefanha-x1.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1591877734-66527-1-git-send-email-yi.l.liu@intel.com>


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On Thu, Jun 11, 2020 at 05:15:19AM -0700, Liu Yi L wrote:
> Shared Virtual Addressing (SVA), a.k.a, Shared Virtual Memory (SVM) on
> Intel platforms allows address space sharing between device DMA and
> applications. SVA can reduce programming complexity and enhance security.
> 
> This VFIO series is intended to expose SVA usage to VMs. i.e. Sharing
> guest application address space with passthru devices. This is called
> vSVA in this series. The whole vSVA enabling requires QEMU/VFIO/IOMMU
> changes. For IOMMU and QEMU changes, they are in separate series (listed
> in the "Related series").
> 
> The high-level architecture for SVA virtualization is as below, the key
> design of vSVA support is to utilize the dual-stage IOMMU translation (
> also known as IOMMU nesting translation) capability in host IOMMU.
> 
> 
>     .-------------.  .---------------------------.
>     |   vIOMMU    |  | Guest process CR3, FL only|
>     |             |  '---------------------------'
>     .----------------/
>     | PASID Entry |--- PASID cache flush -
>     '-------------'                       |
>     |             |                       V
>     |             |                CR3 in GPA
>     '-------------'
> Guest
> ------| Shadow |--------------------------|--------
>       v        v                          v
> Host
>     .-------------.  .----------------------.
>     |   pIOMMU    |  | Bind FL for GVA-GPA  |
>     |             |  '----------------------'
>     .----------------/  |
>     | PASID Entry |     V (Nested xlate)
>     '----------------\.------------------------------.
>     |             |   |SL for GPA-HPA, default domain|
>     |             |   '------------------------------'
>     '-------------'
> Where:
>  - FL = First level/stage one page tables
>  - SL = Second level/stage two page tables

Hi,
Looks like an interesting feature!

To check I understand this feature: can applications now pass virtual
addresses to devices instead of translating to IOVAs?

If yes, can guest applications restrict the vSVA address space so the
device only has access to certain regions?

On one hand replacing IOVA translation with virtual addresses simplifies
the application programming model, but does it give up isolation if the
device can now access all application memory?

Thanks,
Stefan

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2020-06-15 10:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 74+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-06-11 12:15 [PATCH v2 00/15] vfio: expose virtual Shared Virtual Addressing to VMs Liu Yi L
2020-06-11 12:15 ` Liu Yi L
2020-06-11 12:15 ` [PATCH v2 01/15] vfio/type1: Refactor vfio_iommu_type1_ioctl() Liu Yi L
2020-06-11 12:15   ` Liu Yi L
2020-06-11 12:15 ` [PATCH v2 02/15] iommu: Report domain nesting info Liu Yi L
2020-06-11 12:15   ` Liu Yi L
2020-06-11 19:30   ` Alex Williamson
2020-06-11 19:30     ` Alex Williamson
2020-06-12  9:05     ` Liu, Yi L
2020-06-12  9:05       ` Liu, Yi L
2020-06-15  1:22       ` Tian, Kevin
2020-06-15  1:22         ` Tian, Kevin
2020-06-15  6:04         ` Liu, Yi L
2020-06-15  6:04           ` Liu, Yi L
2020-06-16  1:56           ` Tian, Kevin
2020-06-16  1:56             ` Tian, Kevin
2020-06-16  2:24             ` Liu, Yi L
2020-06-16  2:24               ` Liu, Yi L
2020-06-17 14:39   ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
2020-06-17 14:39     ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
2020-06-18 11:46     ` Liu, Yi L
2020-06-18 11:46       ` Liu, Yi L
2020-06-11 12:15 ` [PATCH v2 03/15] vfio/type1: Report iommu nesting info to userspace Liu Yi L
2020-06-11 12:15   ` Liu Yi L
2020-06-11 12:15 ` [PATCH v2 04/15] vfio: Add PASID allocation/free support Liu Yi L
2020-06-11 12:15   ` Liu Yi L
2020-06-11 12:15 ` [PATCH v2 05/15] iommu/vt-d: Support setting ioasid set to domain Liu Yi L
2020-06-11 12:15   ` Liu Yi L
2020-06-11 12:15 ` [PATCH v2 06/15] vfio/type1: Add VFIO_IOMMU_PASID_REQUEST (alloc/free) Liu Yi L
2020-06-11 12:15   ` Liu Yi L
2020-06-11 12:15 ` [PATCH v2 07/15] iommu/uapi: Add iommu_gpasid_unbind_data Liu Yi L
2020-06-11 12:15   ` Liu Yi L
2020-06-11 12:15 ` [PATCH v2 08/15] iommu: Pass domain and unbind_data to sva_unbind_gpasid() Liu Yi L
2020-06-11 12:15   ` Liu Yi L
2020-06-11 12:15 ` [PATCH v2 09/15] iommu/vt-d: Check ownership for PASIDs from user-space Liu Yi L
2020-06-11 12:15   ` Liu Yi L
2020-06-11 12:15 ` [PATCH v2 10/15] vfio/type1: Support binding guest page tables to PASID Liu Yi L
2020-06-11 12:15   ` Liu Yi L
2020-06-11 12:15 ` [PATCH v2 11/15] vfio/type1: Allow invalidating first-level/stage IOMMU cache Liu Yi L
2020-06-11 12:15   ` Liu Yi L
2020-06-11 12:15 ` [PATCH v2 12/15] vfio/type1: Add vSVA support for IOMMU-backed mdevs Liu Yi L
2020-06-11 12:15   ` Liu Yi L
2020-06-11 12:15 ` [PATCH v2 13/15] vfio/pci: Expose PCIe PASID capability to guest Liu Yi L
2020-06-11 12:15   ` Liu Yi L
2020-06-11 12:15 ` [PATCH v2 14/15] vfio: Document dual stage control Liu Yi L
2020-06-11 12:15   ` Liu Yi L
2020-06-15  9:41   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2020-06-15  9:41     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2020-06-17  6:27     ` Liu, Yi L
2020-06-17  6:27       ` Liu, Yi L
2020-06-22 12:51       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2020-06-22 12:51         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2020-06-23  6:43         ` Liu, Yi L
2020-06-23  6:43           ` Liu, Yi L
2020-06-11 12:15 ` [PATCH v2 15/15] iommu/vt-d: Support reporting nesting capability info Liu Yi L
2020-06-11 12:15   ` Liu Yi L
2020-06-15 10:02 ` Stefan Hajnoczi [this message]
2020-06-15 10:02   ` [PATCH v2 00/15] vfio: expose virtual Shared Virtual Addressing to VMs Stefan Hajnoczi
2020-06-15 12:39   ` Liu, Yi L
2020-06-15 12:39     ` Liu, Yi L
2020-06-16 15:34     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2020-06-16 15:34       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2020-06-16  2:26   ` Tian, Kevin
2020-06-16  2:26     ` Tian, Kevin
2020-06-16 15:49     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2020-06-16 15:49       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2020-06-16 16:09       ` Peter Xu
2020-06-16 16:09         ` Peter Xu
2020-06-22 12:49         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2020-06-22 12:49           ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2020-06-16 17:00       ` Raj, Ashok
2020-06-16 17:00         ` Raj, Ashok
2020-06-22 12:49         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2020-06-22 12:49           ` Stefan Hajnoczi

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