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From: Wei Yang <richard.weiyang@linux.alibaba.com>
To: Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>
Cc: Alex Shi <alex.shi@linux.alibaba.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	mgorman@techsingularity.net, tj@kernel.org,
	khlebnikov@yandex-team.ru, daniel.m.jordan@oracle.com,
	willy@infradead.org, hannes@cmpxchg.org, lkp@intel.com,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	cgroups@vger.kernel.org, shakeelb@google.com,
	iamjoonsoo.kim@lge.com, richard.weiyang@gmail.com,
	kirill@shutemov.name, alexander.duyck@gmail.com,
	rong.a.chen@intel.com, mhocko@suse.com, vdavydov.dev@gmail.com,
	shy828301@gmail.com, vbabka@suse.cz, minchan@kernel.org,
	cai@lca.pw
Subject: Re: [PATCH v18 00/32] per memcg lru_lock: reviews
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2020 10:24:18 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200909022418.GA14584@L-31X9LVDL-1304.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LSU.2.11.2009081640070.7256@eggly.anvils>

On Tue, Sep 08, 2020 at 04:41:00PM -0700, Hugh Dickins wrote:
[...]
>[PATCH v18 06/32] mm/thp: narrow lru locking
>Why? What part does this play in the series? "narrow lru locking" can
>also be described as "widen page cache locking": you are changing the
>lock ordering, and not giving any reason to do so. This may be an
>excellent change, or it may be a terrible change: I find that usually
>lock ordering is forced upon us, and it's rare to meet an instance like
>this that could go either way, and I don't know myself how to judge it.
>
>I do want this commit to go in, partly because it has been present in
>all the testing we have done, and partly because I *can at last* see a
>logical advantage to it - it also nests lru_lock inside memcg->move_lock,
>allowing lock_page_memcg() to be used to stabilize page->mem_cgroup when
>getting per-memcg lru_lock - though only in one place, starting in v17,
>do you actually use that (and, warning: it's not used correctly there).
>
>I'm not very bothered by how the local_irq_disable() looks to RT: THP
>seems a very bad idea in an RT kernel.  Earlier I asked you to run this
>past Kirill and Matthew and Johannes: you did so, thank you, and Kirill
>has blessed it, and no one has nacked it, and I have not noticed any
>disadvantage from this change in lock ordering (documented in 23/32),
>so I'm now going to say
>
>Acked-by: Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>
>
>But I wish you could give some reason for it in the commit message!
>
>Signed-off-by: Wei Yang <richard.weiyang@gmail.com>
>Is that correct? Or Wei Yang suggested some part of it perhaps?
>

If my memory is correct, we had some offline discussion about this change.

-- 
Wei Yang
Help you, Help me

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From: Wei Yang <richard.weiyang-KPsoFbNs7GizrGE5bRqYAgC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
To: Hugh Dickins <hughd-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Alex Shi
	<alex.shi-KPsoFbNs7GizrGE5bRqYAgC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>,
	Andrew Morton
	<akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>,
	mgorman-3eNAlZScCAx27rWaFMvyedHuzzzSOjJt@public.gmane.org,
	tj-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org,
	khlebnikov-XoJtRXgx1JseBXzfvpsJ4g@public.gmane.org,
	daniel.m.jordan-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org,
	willy-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org,
	hannes-druUgvl0LCNAfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org,
	lkp-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org,
	linux-mm-Bw31MaZKKs3YtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org,
	linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	cgroups-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	shakeelb-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org,
	iamjoonsoo.kim-Hm3cg6mZ9cc@public.gmane.org,
	richard.weiyang-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org,
	kirill-oKw7cIdHH8eLwutG50LtGA@public.gmane.org,
	alexander.duyck-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org,
	rong.a.chen-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org,
	mhocko-IBi9RG/b67k@public.gmane.org,
	vdavydov.dev-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org,
	shy828301-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org,
	vbabka-AlSwsSmVLrQ@public.gmane.org,
	minchan-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org,
	cai-J5quhbR+WMc@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v18 00/32] per memcg lru_lock: reviews
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2020 10:24:18 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200909022418.GA14584@L-31X9LVDL-1304.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LSU.2.11.2009081640070.7256-fupSdm12i1nKWymIFiNcPA@public.gmane.org>

On Tue, Sep 08, 2020 at 04:41:00PM -0700, Hugh Dickins wrote:
[...]
>[PATCH v18 06/32] mm/thp: narrow lru locking
>Why? What part does this play in the series? "narrow lru locking" can
>also be described as "widen page cache locking": you are changing the
>lock ordering, and not giving any reason to do so. This may be an
>excellent change, or it may be a terrible change: I find that usually
>lock ordering is forced upon us, and it's rare to meet an instance like
>this that could go either way, and I don't know myself how to judge it.
>
>I do want this commit to go in, partly because it has been present in
>all the testing we have done, and partly because I *can at last* see a
>logical advantage to it - it also nests lru_lock inside memcg->move_lock,
>allowing lock_page_memcg() to be used to stabilize page->mem_cgroup when
>getting per-memcg lru_lock - though only in one place, starting in v17,
>do you actually use that (and, warning: it's not used correctly there).
>
>I'm not very bothered by how the local_irq_disable() looks to RT: THP
>seems a very bad idea in an RT kernel.  Earlier I asked you to run this
>past Kirill and Matthew and Johannes: you did so, thank you, and Kirill
>has blessed it, and no one has nacked it, and I have not noticed any
>disadvantage from this change in lock ordering (documented in 23/32),
>so I'm now going to say
>
>Acked-by: Hugh Dickins <hughd-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
>
>But I wish you could give some reason for it in the commit message!
>
>Signed-off-by: Wei Yang <richard.weiyang-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
>Is that correct? Or Wei Yang suggested some part of it perhaps?
>

If my memory is correct, we had some offline discussion about this change.

-- 
Wei Yang
Help you, Help me

  reply	other threads:[~2020-09-09  2:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 201+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-08-24 12:54 [PATCH v18 00/32] per memcg lru_lock Alex Shi
2020-08-24 12:54 ` [PATCH v18 01/32] mm/memcg: warning on !memcg after readahead page charged Alex Shi
2020-08-24 12:54   ` Alex Shi
2020-08-24 12:54 ` [PATCH v18 02/32] mm/memcg: bail out early from swap accounting when memcg is disabled Alex Shi
2020-08-24 12:54 ` [PATCH v18 03/32] mm/thp: move lru_add_page_tail func to huge_memory.c Alex Shi
2020-08-24 12:54   ` Alex Shi
2020-08-24 12:54 ` [PATCH v18 04/32] mm/thp: clean up lru_add_page_tail Alex Shi
2020-08-24 12:54 ` [PATCH v18 05/32] mm/thp: remove code path which never got into Alex Shi
2020-08-24 12:54   ` Alex Shi
2020-08-24 12:54 ` [PATCH v18 06/32] mm/thp: narrow lru locking Alex Shi
2020-09-10 13:49   ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-09-10 13:49     ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-09-11  3:37     ` Alex Shi
2020-09-11  3:37       ` Alex Shi
2020-09-13 15:27       ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-09-13 15:27         ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-09-19  1:00         ` Hugh Dickins
2020-09-19  1:00           ` Hugh Dickins
2020-08-24 12:54 ` [PATCH v18 07/32] mm/swap.c: stop deactivate_file_page if page not on lru Alex Shi
2020-08-24 12:54   ` Alex Shi
2020-08-24 12:54 ` [PATCH v18 08/32] mm/vmscan: remove unnecessary lruvec adding Alex Shi
2020-08-24 12:54   ` Alex Shi
2020-08-24 12:54 ` [PATCH v18 09/32] mm/page_idle: no unlikely double check for idle page counting Alex Shi
2020-08-24 12:54   ` Alex Shi
2020-08-24 12:54 ` [PATCH v18 10/32] mm/compaction: rename compact_deferred as compact_should_defer Alex Shi
2020-08-24 12:54 ` [PATCH v18 11/32] mm/memcg: add debug checking in lock_page_memcg Alex Shi
2020-08-24 12:54 ` [PATCH v18 12/32] mm/memcg: optimize mem_cgroup_page_lruvec Alex Shi
2020-08-24 12:54 ` [PATCH v18 13/32] mm/swap.c: fold vm event PGROTATED into pagevec_move_tail_fn Alex Shi
2020-08-24 12:54   ` Alex Shi
2020-08-24 12:54 ` [PATCH v18 14/32] mm/lru: move lru_lock holding in func lru_note_cost_page Alex Shi
2020-08-24 12:54 ` [PATCH v18 15/32] mm/lru: move lock into lru_note_cost Alex Shi
2020-09-21 21:36   ` Hugh Dickins
2020-09-21 21:36     ` Hugh Dickins
2020-09-21 21:36     ` Hugh Dickins
2020-09-21 22:03     ` Hugh Dickins
2020-09-21 22:03       ` Hugh Dickins
2020-09-22  3:39       ` Alex Shi
2020-09-22  3:39         ` Alex Shi
2020-09-22  3:38     ` Alex Shi
2020-09-22  3:38       ` Alex Shi
2020-08-24 12:54 ` [PATCH v18 16/32] mm/lru: introduce TestClearPageLRU Alex Shi
2020-08-24 12:54   ` Alex Shi
2020-09-21 23:16   ` Hugh Dickins
2020-09-21 23:16     ` Hugh Dickins
2020-09-21 23:16     ` Hugh Dickins
2020-09-22  3:53     ` Alex Shi
2020-09-22  3:53       ` Alex Shi
2020-08-24 12:54 ` [PATCH v18 17/32] mm/compaction: do page isolation first in compaction Alex Shi
2020-09-21 23:49   ` Hugh Dickins
2020-09-21 23:49     ` Hugh Dickins
2020-09-22  4:57     ` Alex Shi
2020-09-22  4:57       ` Alex Shi
2020-08-24 12:54 ` [PATCH v18 18/32] mm/thp: add tail pages into lru anyway in split_huge_page() Alex Shi
2020-08-24 12:54   ` Alex Shi
2020-08-24 12:54 ` [PATCH v18 19/32] mm/swap.c: serialize memcg changes in pagevec_lru_move_fn Alex Shi
2020-09-22  0:42   ` Hugh Dickins
2020-09-22  0:42     ` Hugh Dickins
2020-09-22  0:42     ` Hugh Dickins
2020-09-22  5:00     ` Alex Shi
2020-09-22  5:00       ` Alex Shi
2020-08-24 12:54 ` [PATCH v18 20/32] mm/lru: replace pgdat lru_lock with lruvec lock Alex Shi
2020-09-22  5:27   ` Hugh Dickins
2020-09-22  5:27     ` Hugh Dickins
2020-09-22  5:27     ` Hugh Dickins
2020-09-22  8:58     ` Alex Shi
2020-09-22  8:58       ` Alex Shi
2020-08-24 12:54 ` [PATCH v18 21/32] mm/lru: introduce the relock_page_lruvec function Alex Shi
2020-09-22  5:40   ` Hugh Dickins
2020-09-22  5:40     ` Hugh Dickins
2020-09-22  5:40     ` Hugh Dickins
2020-08-24 12:54 ` [PATCH v18 22/32] mm/vmscan: use relock for move_pages_to_lru Alex Shi
2020-09-22  5:44   ` Hugh Dickins
2020-09-22  5:44     ` Hugh Dickins
2020-09-23  1:55     ` Alex Shi
2020-09-23  1:55       ` Alex Shi
2020-08-24 12:54 ` [PATCH v18 23/32] mm/lru: revise the comments of lru_lock Alex Shi
2020-08-24 12:54   ` Alex Shi
2020-09-22  5:48   ` Hugh Dickins
2020-09-22  5:48     ` Hugh Dickins
2020-08-24 12:54 ` [PATCH v18 24/32] mm/pgdat: remove pgdat lru_lock Alex Shi
2020-09-22  5:53   ` Hugh Dickins
2020-09-22  5:53     ` Hugh Dickins
2020-09-23  1:55     ` Alex Shi
2020-09-23  1:55       ` Alex Shi
2020-08-24 12:54 ` [PATCH v18 25/32] mm/mlock: remove lru_lock on TestClearPageMlocked in munlock_vma_page Alex Shi
2020-08-24 12:54   ` Alex Shi
2020-08-26  5:52   ` Alex Shi
2020-08-26  5:52     ` Alex Shi
2020-09-22  6:13   ` Hugh Dickins
2020-09-22  6:13     ` Hugh Dickins
2020-09-22  6:13     ` Hugh Dickins
2020-09-23  1:58     ` Alex Shi
2020-09-23  1:58       ` Alex Shi
2020-08-24 12:54 ` [PATCH v18 26/32] mm/mlock: remove __munlock_isolate_lru_page Alex Shi
2020-08-24 12:54   ` Alex Shi
2020-08-24 12:55 ` [PATCH v18 27/32] mm/swap.c: optimizing __pagevec_lru_add lru_lock Alex Shi
2020-08-24 12:55   ` Alex Shi
2020-08-26  9:07   ` Alex Shi
2020-08-24 12:55 ` [PATCH v18 28/32] mm/compaction: Drop locked from isolate_migratepages_block Alex Shi
2020-08-24 12:55 ` [PATCH v18 29/32] mm: Identify compound pages sooner in isolate_migratepages_block Alex Shi
2020-08-24 12:55   ` Alex Shi
2020-08-24 12:55 ` [PATCH v18 30/32] mm: Drop use of test_and_set_skip in favor of just setting skip Alex Shi
2020-08-24 12:55 ` [PATCH v18 31/32] mm: Add explicit page decrement in exception path for isolate_lru_pages Alex Shi
2020-08-24 12:55   ` Alex Shi
2020-09-09  1:01   ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-09-09  1:01     ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-09-09 15:43     ` Alexander Duyck
2020-09-09 15:43       ` Alexander Duyck
2020-09-09 15:43       ` Alexander Duyck
2020-09-09 17:07       ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-09-09 17:07         ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-09-09 18:24       ` Hugh Dickins
2020-09-09 18:24         ` Hugh Dickins
2020-09-09 18:24         ` Hugh Dickins
2020-09-09 20:15         ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-09-09 20:15           ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-09-09 21:05           ` Hugh Dickins
2020-09-09 21:05             ` Hugh Dickins
2020-09-09 21:05             ` Hugh Dickins
2020-09-09 21:17         ` Alexander Duyck
2020-09-09 21:17           ` Alexander Duyck
2020-09-09 21:17           ` Alexander Duyck
2020-08-24 12:55 ` [PATCH v18 32/32] mm: Split release_pages work into 3 passes Alex Shi
2020-08-24 12:55   ` Alex Shi
2020-08-24 18:42 ` [PATCH v18 00/32] per memcg lru_lock Andrew Morton
2020-08-24 19:50   ` Qian Cai
2020-08-24 19:50     ` Qian Cai
2020-08-24 20:24   ` Hugh Dickins
2020-08-24 20:24     ` Hugh Dickins
2020-08-24 20:24     ` Hugh Dickins
2020-08-25  1:56     ` Daniel Jordan
2020-08-25  1:56       ` Daniel Jordan
2020-08-25  3:26       ` Alex Shi
2020-08-25  3:26         ` Alex Shi
2020-08-25 11:39         ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-08-25 11:39           ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-08-26  1:19         ` Daniel Jordan
2020-08-26  8:59           ` Alex Shi
2020-08-26  8:59             ` Alex Shi
2020-08-28  1:40             ` Daniel Jordan
2020-08-28  1:40               ` Daniel Jordan
2020-08-28  5:22               ` Alex Shi
2020-08-28  5:22                 ` Alex Shi
2020-09-09  2:44               ` Aaron Lu
2020-09-09  2:44                 ` Aaron Lu
2020-09-09 11:40                 ` Michal Hocko
2020-08-25  8:52       ` Alex Shi
2020-08-25  8:52         ` Alex Shi
2020-08-25 13:00         ` Alex Shi
2020-08-25 13:00           ` Alex Shi
2020-08-27  7:01     ` Hugh Dickins
2020-08-27  7:01       ` Hugh Dickins
2020-08-27 12:20       ` Race between freeing and waking page Matthew Wilcox
2020-09-08 23:41       ` [PATCH v18 00/32] per memcg lru_lock: reviews Hugh Dickins
2020-09-08 23:41         ` Hugh Dickins
2020-09-09  2:24         ` Wei Yang [this message]
2020-09-09  2:24           ` Wei Yang
2020-09-09 15:08         ` Alex Shi
2020-09-09 15:08           ` Alex Shi
2020-09-09 23:16           ` Hugh Dickins
2020-09-09 23:16             ` Hugh Dickins
2020-09-11  2:50             ` Alex Shi
2020-09-11  2:50               ` Alex Shi
2020-09-12  2:13               ` Hugh Dickins
2020-09-12  2:13                 ` Hugh Dickins
2020-09-13 14:21                 ` Alex Shi
2020-09-13 14:21                   ` Alex Shi
2020-09-15  8:21                   ` Hugh Dickins
2020-09-15  8:21                     ` Hugh Dickins
2020-09-15  8:21                     ` Hugh Dickins
2020-09-15 16:58                     ` Daniel Jordan
2020-09-15 16:58                       ` Daniel Jordan
2020-09-16 12:44                       ` Alex Shi
2020-09-17  2:37                       ` Alex Shi
2020-09-17  2:37                         ` Alex Shi
2020-09-17 14:35                         ` Daniel Jordan
2020-09-17 14:35                           ` Daniel Jordan
2020-09-17 15:39                           ` Alexander Duyck
2020-09-17 15:39                             ` Alexander Duyck
2020-09-17 15:39                             ` Alexander Duyck
2020-09-17 16:48                             ` Daniel Jordan
2020-09-17 16:48                               ` Daniel Jordan
2020-09-12  8:38           ` Hugh Dickins
2020-09-12  8:38             ` Hugh Dickins
2020-09-12  8:38             ` Hugh Dickins
2020-09-13 14:22             ` Alex Shi
2020-09-13 14:22               ` Alex Shi
2020-09-09 16:11         ` Alexander Duyck
2020-09-09 16:11           ` Alexander Duyck
2020-09-09 16:11           ` Alexander Duyck
2020-09-10  0:32           ` Hugh Dickins
2020-09-10  0:32             ` Hugh Dickins
2020-09-10  0:32             ` Hugh Dickins
2020-09-10 14:24             ` Alexander Duyck
2020-09-10 14:24               ` Alexander Duyck
2020-09-10 14:24               ` Alexander Duyck
2020-09-12  5:12               ` Hugh Dickins
2020-09-12  5:12                 ` Hugh Dickins
2020-09-12  5:12                 ` Hugh Dickins
2020-08-25  7:21   ` [PATCH v18 00/32] per memcg lru_lock Michal Hocko
2020-08-25  7:21     ` Michal Hocko

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