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From: Sean Christopherson <sean.j.christopherson@intel.com>
To: harry harry <hiharryharryharry@gmail.com>
Cc: Maxim Levitsky <mlevitsk@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, mathieu.tarral@protonmail.com,
	stefanha@redhat.com, libvir-list@redhat.com, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
	pbonzini@redhat.com
Subject: Re: Why guest physical addresses are not the same as the corresponding host virtual addresses in QEMU/KVM? Thanks!
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2020 21:52:45 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20201013045245.GA11344@linux.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+-xGqPkkiws0bxrzud_qKs3ZmKN9=AfN=JGephfGc+2rn6ybw@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Oct 13, 2020 at 12:30:39AM -0400, harry harry wrote:
> Hi Sean,
> 
> Thank you very much for your thorough explanations. Please see my
> inline replies as follows. Thanks!
> 
> On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 12:54 PM Sean Christopherson
> <sean.j.christopherson@intel.com> wrote:
> >
> > No, the guest physical address spaces is not intrinsically tied to the host
> > virtual address spaces.  The fact that GPAs and HVAs are related in KVM is a
> > property KVM's architecture.  EPT/NPT has absolutely nothing to do with HVAs.
> >
> > As Maxim pointed out, KVM links a guest's physical address space, i.e. GPAs, to
> > the host's virtual address space, i.e. HVAs, via memslots.  For all intents and
> > purposes, this is an extra layer of address translation that is purely software
> > defined.  The memslots allow KVM to retrieve the HPA for a given GPA when
> > servicing a shadow page fault (a.k.a. EPT violation).
> >
> > When EPT is enabled, a shadow page fault due to an unmapped GPA will look like:
> >
> >  GVA -> [guest page tables] -> GPA -> EPT Violation VM-Exit
> >
> > The above walk of the guest page tables is done in hardware.  KVM then does the
> > following walks in software to retrieve the desired HPA:
> >
> >  GPA -> [memslots] -> HVA -> [host page tables] -> HPA
> 
> Do you mean that GPAs are different from their corresponding HVAs when
> KVM does the walks (as you said above) in software?

What do you mean by "different"?  GPAs and HVAs are two completely different
address spaces.

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From: Sean Christopherson <sean.j.christopherson@intel.com>
To: harry harry <hiharryharryharry@gmail.com>
Cc: kvm@vger.kernel.org, libvir-list@redhat.com,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Maxim Levitsky <mlevitsk@redhat.com>,
	mathieu.tarral@protonmail.com, stefanha@redhat.com,
	pbonzini@redhat.com
Subject: Re: Why guest physical addresses are not the same as the corresponding host virtual addresses in QEMU/KVM? Thanks!
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2020 21:52:45 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20201013045245.GA11344@linux.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+-xGqPkkiws0bxrzud_qKs3ZmKN9=AfN=JGephfGc+2rn6ybw@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Oct 13, 2020 at 12:30:39AM -0400, harry harry wrote:
> Hi Sean,
> 
> Thank you very much for your thorough explanations. Please see my
> inline replies as follows. Thanks!
> 
> On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 12:54 PM Sean Christopherson
> <sean.j.christopherson@intel.com> wrote:
> >
> > No, the guest physical address spaces is not intrinsically tied to the host
> > virtual address spaces.  The fact that GPAs and HVAs are related in KVM is a
> > property KVM's architecture.  EPT/NPT has absolutely nothing to do with HVAs.
> >
> > As Maxim pointed out, KVM links a guest's physical address space, i.e. GPAs, to
> > the host's virtual address space, i.e. HVAs, via memslots.  For all intents and
> > purposes, this is an extra layer of address translation that is purely software
> > defined.  The memslots allow KVM to retrieve the HPA for a given GPA when
> > servicing a shadow page fault (a.k.a. EPT violation).
> >
> > When EPT is enabled, a shadow page fault due to an unmapped GPA will look like:
> >
> >  GVA -> [guest page tables] -> GPA -> EPT Violation VM-Exit
> >
> > The above walk of the guest page tables is done in hardware.  KVM then does the
> > following walks in software to retrieve the desired HPA:
> >
> >  GPA -> [memslots] -> HVA -> [host page tables] -> HPA
> 
> Do you mean that GPAs are different from their corresponding HVAs when
> KVM does the walks (as you said above) in software?

What do you mean by "different"?  GPAs and HVAs are two completely different
address spaces.


  reply	other threads:[~2020-10-13  4:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-10-11  5:26 Why guest physical addresses are not the same as the corresponding host virtual addresses in QEMU/KVM? Thanks! harry harry
2020-10-11  5:26 ` harry harry
2020-10-11  7:29 ` Maxim Levitsky
2020-10-11  7:29   ` Maxim Levitsky
2020-10-11 14:11   ` harry harry
2020-10-11 14:11     ` harry harry
2020-10-12 16:54     ` Sean Christopherson
2020-10-12 16:54       ` Sean Christopherson
2020-10-13  4:30       ` harry harry
2020-10-13  4:30         ` harry harry
2020-10-13  4:52         ` Sean Christopherson [this message]
2020-10-13  4:52           ` Sean Christopherson
2020-10-13  5:33           ` harry harry
2020-10-13  5:46             ` harry harry
2020-10-13  6:43               ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-10-13  6:43                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-10-13 20:36                 ` harry harry
2020-10-13 20:36                   ` harry harry
2020-10-14  8:27                   ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-10-14  8:27                     ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-10-14  8:29                   ` Maxim Levitsky
2020-10-14  8:29                     ` Maxim Levitsky
2020-10-15  3:45                     ` harry harry
2020-10-15  3:45                       ` harry harry
2020-10-13  7:03             ` Sean Christopherson
2020-10-13  7:03               ` Sean Christopherson
2020-10-13 22:40               ` harry harry
2020-10-13 22:40                 ` harry harry
2020-10-14  8:28                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-10-14  8:28                   ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-10-15  3:43                   ` harry harry
2020-10-15  3:43                     ` harry harry
2020-10-13  5:00       ` harry harry
2020-10-13  5:00         ` harry harry

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