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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Huaixin Chang <changhuaixin@linux.alibaba.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, bsegall@google.com,
	dietmar.eggemann@arm.com, juri.lelli@redhat.com, mgorman@suse.de,
	mingo@redhat.com, pauld@redhead.com, pjt@google.com,
	rostedt@goodmis.org, vincent.guittot@linaro.org,
	khlebnikov@yandex-team.ru, xiyou.wangcong@gmail.com,
	shanpeic@linux.alibaba.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/4] sched/fair: Introduce primitives for CFS bandwidth burst
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2020 14:36:56 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20201217133656.GX3040@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20201217074620.58338-2-changhuaixin@linux.alibaba.com>

On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 03:46:17PM +0800, Huaixin Chang wrote:
> In this patch, we introduce the notion of CFS bandwidth burst. Unused
> "quota" from pervious "periods" might be accumulated and used in the
> following "periods". The maximum amount of accumulated bandwidth is
> bounded by "burst". And the maximun amount of CPU a group can consume in
> a given period is "buffer" which is equivalent to "quota" + "burst in
> case that this group has done enough accumulation.

Oh man, Juri, wasn't there a paper about statistical bandwidth
accounting somewhere? Where, if you replace every utilization by a
statistical variable, the end result is still useful?

That is, instead of something like; \Sum u_i <= 1, you get something
like: \Sum {avg(u),var(u)}_i <= {1, sqrt(\Sum var_i^2)} and you can
still proof bounded tardiness etc.. (assuming a gaussian distribution).

The proposed seems close to that, but not quite, and I'm afraid it's not
quite strong enough to still provide any guarantees.

  reply	other threads:[~2020-12-17 13:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-12-17  7:46 [PATCH 0/4] sched/fair: Burstable CFS bandwidth controller Huaixin Chang
2020-12-17  7:46 ` [PATCH 1/4] sched/fair: Introduce primitives for CFS bandwidth burst Huaixin Chang
2020-12-17 13:36   ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2020-12-21 13:53     ` changhuaixin
2021-01-12  9:21       ` changhuaixin
2020-12-17  7:46 ` [PATCH 2/4] sched/fair: Make CFS bandwidth controller burstable Huaixin Chang
2020-12-18  9:53   ` kernel test robot
2020-12-18  9:53     ` kernel test robot
2020-12-17  7:46 ` [PATCH 3/4] sched/fair: Add cfs bandwidth burst statistics Huaixin Chang
2020-12-17  7:46 ` [PATCH 4/4] sched/fair: Add document for burstable CFS bandwidth control Huaixin Chang
2020-12-17 21:25 ` [PATCH 0/4] sched/fair: Burstable CFS bandwidth controller Benjamin Segall
2021-01-20 12:27 ` [PATCH v2 " Huaixin Chang
2021-01-20 12:27   ` [PATCH 1/4] sched/fair: Introduce primitives for CFS bandwidth burst Huaixin Chang
2021-01-20 12:27   ` [PATCH 2/4] sched/fair: Make CFS bandwidth controller burstable Huaixin Chang
2021-01-20 17:06     ` kernel test robot
2021-01-20 17:06       ` kernel test robot
2021-01-20 18:33     ` kernel test robot
2021-01-20 18:33       ` kernel test robot
2021-01-20 22:01     ` kernel test robot
2021-01-20 22:01       ` kernel test robot
2021-01-20 22:01     ` [RFC PATCH] sched/fair: __refill_cfs_bandwidth_runtime() can be static kernel test robot
2021-01-20 22:01       ` kernel test robot
2021-01-20 12:27   ` [PATCH 3/4] sched/fair: Add cfs bandwidth burst statistics Huaixin Chang
2021-01-20 12:27   ` [PATCH 4/4] sched/fair: Add document for burstable CFS bandwidth control Huaixin Chang
2021-01-20 19:48     ` Randy Dunlap
2021-01-21 11:04 ` [PATCH v3 0/4] sched/fair: Burstable CFS bandwidth controller Huaixin Chang
2021-01-21 11:04   ` [PATCH v3 1/4] sched/fair: Introduce primitives for CFS bandwidth burst Huaixin Chang
2021-03-10 12:39     ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-01-21 11:04   ` [PATCH v3 2/4] sched/fair: Make CFS bandwidth controller burstable Huaixin Chang
2021-03-10 13:04     ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-03-12 13:54       ` changhuaixin
2021-03-16 10:55         ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-01-21 11:04   ` [PATCH v3 3/4] sched/fair: Add cfs bandwidth burst statistics Huaixin Chang
2021-03-10 13:10     ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-01-21 11:04   ` [PATCH v3 4/4] sched/fair: Add document for burstable CFS bandwidth control Huaixin Chang
2021-03-10 13:17     ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-01-26 10:18   ` [PATCH v3 0/4] sched/fair: Burstable CFS bandwidth controller changhuaixin
2021-03-10 12:26     ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-02-09 13:17   ` Odin Ugedal
2021-02-09 10:28     ` Tejun Heo
2021-02-27 13:48     ` changhuaixin
2021-03-10 11:11       ` Odin Ugedal
2021-03-12 13:26         ` changhuaixin
2021-02-02 11:40 [PATCH " Huaixin Chang
2021-02-02 11:40 ` [PATCH 1/4] sched/fair: Introduce primitives for CFS bandwidth burst Huaixin Chang

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