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From: Vincent Donnefort <vincent.donnefort@arm.com>
To: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org>
Cc: Lukasz Luba <lukasz.luba@arm.com>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net>,
	Viresh Kumar <viresh.kumar@linaro.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
	Quentin Perret <qperret@google.com>,
	Linux PM <linux-pm@vger.kernel.org>,
	Ionela Voinescu <ionela.voinescu@arm.com>,
	Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 3/6] cpufreq: Add an interface to mark inefficient frequencies
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2021 20:17:00 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20210702191658.GA30379@e120877-lin.cambridge.arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJZ5v0iQve59SxD0TJ19wonj=WO7qVSApM-xPf_FYUf42Z3d5Q@mail.gmail.com>

[...]

> > >
> > > I'm guessing that the problem is that cpufreq_cooling works by using
> > > freq_qos_update_request() to update the max frequency limit and if
> > > that is in effect you'd rather use the inefficient frequencies,
> > > whereas when the governor selects an inefficient frequency  below the
> > > policy limit, you'd rather use a higher-but-efficient frequency
> > > instead (within the policy limit).
> > >
> > > Am I guessing correctly?
> > >
> >
> > Yes, correct. Thermal would use all (efficient + inefficient), but
> > we in cpufreq governor would like to pick if possible the efficient
> > one (below the thermal limit).
> 
> To address that, you need to pass more information from schedutil to
> __cpufreq_driver_target() that down the road can be used by
> cpufreq_frequency_table_target() to decide whether or not to skip the
> inefficient frequencies.
> 
> For example, you can define CPUFREQ_RELATION_EFFICIENT and pass it
> from schedutil to __cpufreq_driver_target() in the "relation"
> argument, and clear it if the target frequency is above the max policy
> limit, or if ->target() is to be called.

What about a cpufreq_policy option that if sets would make
cpufreq_frequency_table_target() skip inefficient OPPs while staying within
the limit of max policy? Each governor could decide to set it or not, but
it would hide the efficiency resolution to the governor and allow drivers
that implements ->target() to also implements support for inefficient OPPs.

That flag could be set according to a new cpufreq_governor flag
CPUFREQ_GOV_SKIP_INEFFICIENCIES?

That could though modify behaviors like powersave_bias from ondemand. But if
a frequency is inefficient, there's probably no power saving anyway.

-- 
Vincent

  parent reply	other threads:[~2021-07-02 19:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-06-04 11:05 [PATCH v3 0/6] EM / PM: Inefficient OPPs Vincent Donnefort
2021-06-04 11:05 ` [PATCH v3 1/6] PM / EM: Fix inefficient states detection Vincent Donnefort
2021-06-04 18:09   ` Matthias Kaehlcke
2021-06-04 11:05 ` [PATCH v3 2/6] PM / EM: Mark inefficient states Vincent Donnefort
2021-06-04 18:12   ` Matthias Kaehlcke
2021-06-04 11:05 ` [PATCH v3 3/6] cpufreq: Add an interface to mark inefficient frequencies Vincent Donnefort
2021-06-04 18:19   ` Matthias Kaehlcke
2021-06-14 13:40     ` Vincent Donnefort
2021-06-07  5:02   ` Viresh Kumar
2021-06-07 10:14     ` Lukasz Luba
2021-06-14  7:28   ` Viresh Kumar
2021-06-14 13:35     ` Vincent Donnefort
2021-06-15  5:02       ` Viresh Kumar
2021-06-15  8:44         ` Vincent Donnefort
2021-06-15 10:17           ` Viresh Kumar
2021-06-15 17:15             ` Vincent Donnefort
2021-06-16  7:35               ` Viresh Kumar
2021-06-16  9:03                 ` Lukasz Luba
2021-06-16  9:31                   ` Viresh Kumar
2021-06-16 10:33                     ` Lukasz Luba
2021-06-16 10:53                       ` Viresh Kumar
2021-06-16 12:45                         ` Lukasz Luba
2021-07-02 14:21                           ` Lukasz Luba
2021-07-02 15:46                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2021-07-02 16:04                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2021-07-02 16:08                                 ` Lukasz Luba
2021-07-02 17:53                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2021-07-02 19:04                                     ` Lukasz Luba
2021-07-02 19:17                                     ` Vincent Donnefort [this message]
2021-07-05 14:09                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2021-07-06  8:12                                         ` Vincent Donnefort
2021-07-06  8:37                                           ` Viresh Kumar
2021-07-06  8:43                                             ` Vincent Donnefort
2021-07-06  8:50                                               ` Viresh Kumar
2021-07-06 12:11                                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2021-07-02 16:13                               ` Vincent Donnefort
2021-07-02 17:38                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2021-06-22  9:01             ` Quentin Perret
2021-06-22  9:25               ` Viresh Kumar
2021-06-04 11:05 ` [PATCH v3 4/6] cpufreq: Skip inefficient frequencies in cpufreq_driver_resolve_freq() Vincent Donnefort
2021-06-04 18:25   ` Matthias Kaehlcke
2021-06-04 11:06 ` [PATCH v3 5/6] cpufreq: Mark inefficient frequencies using the Energy Model Vincent Donnefort
2021-06-04 18:35   ` Matthias Kaehlcke
2021-06-04 11:06 ` [PATCH v3 6/6] PM / EM: Skip inefficient states Vincent Donnefort
2021-06-04 18:49   ` Matthias Kaehlcke

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