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To: Maxime Ripard <maxime@cerno.tech>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v5] Documentation: gpu: Mention the requirements for new properties
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2021 10:24:44 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20210709102444.7a72a029@eldfell> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20210706161244.1038592-1-maxime@cerno.tech>

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On Tue,  6 Jul 2021 18:12:44 +0200
Maxime Ripard <maxime@cerno.tech> wrote:

> New KMS properties come with a bunch of requirements to avoid each
> driver from running their own, inconsistent, set of properties,
> eventually leading to issues like property conflicts, inconsistencies
> between drivers and semantics, etc.
> 
> Let's document what we expect.

...

> Changes from v4:
>   - Changes suggested by Pekka
> 
> Changes from v3:
>   - Roll back to the v2
>   - Add Simon and Pekka in Cc
> 
> Changes from v2:
>   - Take into account the feedback from Laurent and Lidiu to no longer
>     force generic properties, but prefix vendor-specific properties with
>     the vendor name
> 
> Changes from v1:
>   - Typos and wording reported by Daniel and Alex
> ---
>  Documentation/gpu/drm-kms.rst | 30 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>  1 file changed, 30 insertions(+)
> 
> diff --git a/Documentation/gpu/drm-kms.rst b/Documentation/gpu/drm-kms.rst
> index 87e5023e3f55..47994890fd1e 100644
> --- a/Documentation/gpu/drm-kms.rst
> +++ b/Documentation/gpu/drm-kms.rst
> @@ -463,6 +463,36 @@ KMS Properties
>  This section of the documentation is primarily aimed at user-space developers.
>  For the driver APIs, see the other sections.
>  
> +Requirements
> +------------
> +
> +KMS drivers might need to add extra properties to support new features.
> +Each new property introduced in a driver need to meet a few
> +requirements, in addition to the one mentioned above:
> +
> +* It must be standardized, documenting:
> +
> +  * The full, exact, name string;
> +  * If the property is an enum, all the valid variants name;

Hi,

"variant" feels a little off to me, I would have used "value name
strings".

> +  * What values are accepted, and what these values mean;
> +  * What the property does and how it can be used;
> +  * How the property might interact with other, existing properties.
> +
> +* It must provide a generic helper in the core code to register that
> +  property on the object it attaches to.
> +
> +* Its content must be decoded by the core and provided in the object's
> +  associated state structure. That includes anything drivers might want
> +  to precompute, like :c:type:`struct drm_clip_rect <drm_clip_rect>` for
> +  planes.
> +
> +* Its initial state must match the behavior prior to the property
> +  introduction. This might be a fixed value matching what the hardware
> +  does, or it may be inherited from the state the firmware left the
> +  system in during boot.

I'd like to point out that this rule should apply also to
properties that already exist in general, but are newly exposed in a
driver for hardware that didn't expose the property before.

> +
> +* An IGT test must be submitted where reasonable.
> +
>  Property Types and Blob Property Support
>  ----------------------------------------
>  

Regardless of my comments above:

Reviewed-by: Pekka Paalanen <pekka.paalanen@collabora.com>


Thanks,
pq

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From: Pekka Paalanen <ppaalanen@gmail.com>
To: Maxime Ripard <maxime@cerno.tech>
Cc: "Haneen Mohammed" <hamohammed.sa@gmail.com>,
	"Alexandre Belloni" <alexandre.belloni@bootlin.com>,
	linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, "David Airlie" <airlied@linux.ie>,
	"Daniel Vetter" <daniel.vetter@ffwll.ch>,
	"Edmund Dea" <edmund.j.dea@intel.com>,
	"Alexandre Torgue" <alexandre.torgue@foss.st.com>,
	dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org,
	"Russell King" <linux@armlinux.org.uk>,
	"Melissa Wen" <melissa.srw@gmail.com>,
	"Eric Anholt" <eric@anholt.net>,
	"Thierry Reding" <thierry.reding@gmail.com>,
	"Laurent Pinchart" <Laurent.pinchart@ideasonboard.com>,
	"Benjamin Gaignard" <benjamin.gaignard@linaro.org>,
	"Anitha Chrisanthus" <anitha.chrisanthus@intel.com>,
	"Daniel Vetter" <daniel.vetter@intel.com>,
	"Steven Price" <steven.price@arm.com>,
	"Sam Ravnborg" <sam@ravnborg.org>,
	"Jyri Sarha" <jyri.sarha@iki.fi>,
	"Jerome Brunet" <jbrunet@baylibre.com>,
	"Paul Cercueil" <paul@crapouillou.net>,
	"Marek Vasut" <marex@denx.de>,
	"Joonyoung Shim" <jy0922.shim@samsung.com>,
	"Qiang Yu" <yuq825@gmail.com>,
	"Krzysztof Kozlowski" <krzysztof.kozlowski@canonical.com>,
	"Kevin Hilman" <khilman@baylibre.com>,
	"Tomi Valkeinen" <tomba@kernel.org>,
	"Neil Armstrong" <narmstrong@baylibre.com>,
	"Alyssa Rosenzweig" <alyssa.rosenzweig@collabora.com>,
	"Xinwei Kong" <kong.kongxinwei@hisilicon.com>,
	"Jonathan Hunter" <jonathanh@nvidia.com>,
	"Xinliang Liu" <xinliang.liu@linaro.org>,
	"Ludovic Desroches" <ludovic.desroches@microchip.com>,
	"Kieran Bingham" <kieran.bingham+renesas@ideasonboard.com>,
	"VMware Graphics" <linux-graphics-maintainer@vmware.com>,
	"NXP Linux Team" <linux-imx@nxp.com>,
	"Chen Feng" <puck.chen@hisilicon.com>,
	"Liviu Dudau" <liviu.dudau@arm.com>,
	"Ben Skeggs" <bskeggs@redhat.com>,
	"Chun-Kuang Hu" <chunkuang.hu@kernel.org>,
	"Pengutronix Kernel Team" <kernel@pengutronix.de>,
	"Jonas Karlman" <jonas@kwiboo.se>,
	"Martin Blumenstingl" <martin.blumenstingl@googlemail.com>,
	"Roland Scheidegger" <sroland@vmware.com>,
	"Sascha Hauer" <s.hauer@pengutronix.de>,
	"Alison Wang" <alison.wang@nxp.com>,
	"Andrzej Hajda" <a.hajda@samsung.com>,
	"Hans de Goede" <hdegoede@redhat.com>,
	"Rodrigo Vivi" <rodrigo.vivi@intel.com>,
	"Matthias Brugger" <matthias.bgg@gmail.com>,
	"Nicolas Ferre" <nicolas.ferre@microchip.com>,
	"Chen-Yu Tsai" <wens@csie.org>, "Sean Paul" <sean@poorly.run>,
	"Maxime Coquelin" <mcoquelin.stm32@gmail.com>,
	"Jernej Skrabec" <jernej.skrabec@siol.net>,
	"Rodrigo Siqueira" <rodrigosiqueiramelo@gmail.com>,
	"Hyun Kwon" <hyun.kwon@xilinx.com>,
	"Boris Brezillon" <bbrezillon@kernel.org>,
	"Andrew Jeffery" <andrew@aj.id.au>,
	"Huang Rui" <ray.huang@amd.com>,
	"Yannick Fertre" <yannick.fertre@foss.st.com>,
	"Jonathan Corbet" <corbet@lwn.net>,
	"Seung-Woo Kim" <sw0312.kim@samsung.com>,
	"Sandy Huang" <hjc@rock-chips.com>,
	"Robert Foss" <robert.foss@linaro.org>,
	"Tomeu Vizoso" <tomeu.vizoso@collabora.com>,
	"Kyungmin Park" <kyungmin.park@samsung.com>,
	"Noralf Trønnes" <noralf@tronnes.org>,
	"Philippe Cornu" <philippe.cornu@foss.st.com>,
	"Thomas Zimmermann" <tzimmermann@suse.de>,
	"Alex Deucher" <alexander.deucher@amd.com>,
	"Tian Tao" <tiantao6@hisilicon.com>,
	"Oleksandr Andrushchenko" <oleksandr_andrushchenko@epam.com>,
	"Shawn Guo" <shawnguo@kernel.org>,
	"Christian König" <christian.koenig@amd.com>,
	"Gerd Hoffmann" <kraxel@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5] Documentation: gpu: Mention the requirements for new properties
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2021 10:24:44 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20210709102444.7a72a029@eldfell> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20210706161244.1038592-1-maxime@cerno.tech>

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On Tue,  6 Jul 2021 18:12:44 +0200
Maxime Ripard <maxime@cerno.tech> wrote:

> New KMS properties come with a bunch of requirements to avoid each
> driver from running their own, inconsistent, set of properties,
> eventually leading to issues like property conflicts, inconsistencies
> between drivers and semantics, etc.
> 
> Let's document what we expect.

...

> Changes from v4:
>   - Changes suggested by Pekka
> 
> Changes from v3:
>   - Roll back to the v2
>   - Add Simon and Pekka in Cc
> 
> Changes from v2:
>   - Take into account the feedback from Laurent and Lidiu to no longer
>     force generic properties, but prefix vendor-specific properties with
>     the vendor name
> 
> Changes from v1:
>   - Typos and wording reported by Daniel and Alex
> ---
>  Documentation/gpu/drm-kms.rst | 30 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>  1 file changed, 30 insertions(+)
> 
> diff --git a/Documentation/gpu/drm-kms.rst b/Documentation/gpu/drm-kms.rst
> index 87e5023e3f55..47994890fd1e 100644
> --- a/Documentation/gpu/drm-kms.rst
> +++ b/Documentation/gpu/drm-kms.rst
> @@ -463,6 +463,36 @@ KMS Properties
>  This section of the documentation is primarily aimed at user-space developers.
>  For the driver APIs, see the other sections.
>  
> +Requirements
> +------------
> +
> +KMS drivers might need to add extra properties to support new features.
> +Each new property introduced in a driver need to meet a few
> +requirements, in addition to the one mentioned above:
> +
> +* It must be standardized, documenting:
> +
> +  * The full, exact, name string;
> +  * If the property is an enum, all the valid variants name;

Hi,

"variant" feels a little off to me, I would have used "value name
strings".

> +  * What values are accepted, and what these values mean;
> +  * What the property does and how it can be used;
> +  * How the property might interact with other, existing properties.
> +
> +* It must provide a generic helper in the core code to register that
> +  property on the object it attaches to.
> +
> +* Its content must be decoded by the core and provided in the object's
> +  associated state structure. That includes anything drivers might want
> +  to precompute, like :c:type:`struct drm_clip_rect <drm_clip_rect>` for
> +  planes.
> +
> +* Its initial state must match the behavior prior to the property
> +  introduction. This might be a fixed value matching what the hardware
> +  does, or it may be inherited from the state the firmware left the
> +  system in during boot.

I'd like to point out that this rule should apply also to
properties that already exist in general, but are newly exposed in a
driver for hardware that didn't expose the property before.

> +
> +* An IGT test must be submitted where reasonable.
> +
>  Property Types and Blob Property Support
>  ----------------------------------------
>  

Regardless of my comments above:

Reviewed-by: Pekka Paalanen <pekka.paalanen@collabora.com>


Thanks,
pq

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2021-07-09  7:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-07-06 16:12 [PATCH v5] Documentation: gpu: Mention the requirements for new properties Maxime Ripard
2021-07-06 16:12 ` Maxime Ripard
2021-07-06 21:56 ` Daniel Vetter
2021-07-06 21:56   ` Daniel Vetter
2021-07-09  7:24 ` Pekka Paalanen [this message]
2021-07-09  7:24   ` Pekka Paalanen
2021-07-09  8:02   ` Daniel Vetter
2021-07-09  8:02     ` Daniel Vetter
2021-07-09  9:08     ` Pekka Paalanen
2021-07-09  9:08       ` Pekka Paalanen
2021-07-12 14:07       ` Daniel Vetter
2021-07-12 14:07         ` Daniel Vetter

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