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From: Vladimir Oltean <olteanv@gmail.com>
To: Florian Fainelli <f.fainelli@gmail.com>
Cc: "Jakub Kicinski" <kuba@kernel.org>,
	"Luiz Angelo Daros de Luca" <luizluca@gmail.com>,
	"Andrew Lunn" <andrew@lunn.ch>,
	"Frank Wunderlich" <frank-w@public-files.de>,
	"Alvin Šipraga" <ALSI@bang-olufsen.dk>,
	"netdev@vger.kernel.org" <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linus.walleij@linaro.org" <linus.walleij@linaro.org>,
	"vivien.didelot@gmail.com" <vivien.didelot@gmail.com>,
	"arinc.unal@arinc9.com" <arinc.unal@arinc9.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next v4 11/11] net: dsa: realtek: rtl8365mb: multiple cpu ports, non cpu extint
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2022 19:21:58 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20220124172158.tkbfstpwg2zp5kaq@skbuf> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <228b64d7-d3d4-c557-dba9-00f7c094f496@gmail.com>

On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 09:01:20AM -0800, Florian Fainelli wrote:
> On 1/24/2022 8:55 AM, Vladimir Oltean wrote:
> > On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 08:46:49AM -0800, Jakub Kicinski wrote:
> > > I thought for drivers setting the legacy NETIF_F_IP*_CSUM feature
> > > it's driver's responsibility to validate the geometry of the packet
> > > will work with the parser the device has. Or at least I think that's
> > > what Tom was pushing for when he was cleaning up the checksumming last
> > > (and wrote the long comment on the subject in skbuff.h).
> > 
> > Sorry Jakub, I don't understand what you mean to say when applied to the
> > context discussed here?
> 
> I believe what Jakub meant to say is that if a DSA conduit device driver
> advertises any of the NETIF_F_IP*_CSUM feature bits, then the driver's
> transmit path has the responsibility of checking that the payload being
> transmitted has a chance of being checksummed properly by the hardware. The
> problem here is not so much the geometry itself (linear or not, number/size
> of fragments, etc.) as much as the placement of the L2/L3 headers usually.
> 
> DSA conduit network device drivers do not have the ability today to
> determine what type of DSA tagging is being applied onto the DSA master but
> they do know whether DSA tagging is in use or not which may be enough to be
> overly compatible.
> 
> It is not clear to me whether we can solve this generically within the DSA
> framework or even if this is desirable, but once we have identified a
> problematic association of DSA tagger and DSA conduit, we can always have
> the DSA conduit driver do something like:
> 
> if (netdev_uses_dsa(dev))
> 	skb_checksum_help()
> 
> or have a fix_features callback which does reject the enabling of
> NETIF_F_IP*_CSUM if netdev_uses_dsa() becomes true.

Yes, but as you point out, the DSA master driver doesn't know what
header/trailer format it's dealing with. We could use netdev_uses_dsa()
as a very rough approximation, and that might work when we know that the
particular Ethernet controller is used only in conjunction with a single
type of DSA switch [from the same vendor], but I think we're just
delaying the inevitable, which is to treat the case where an Ethernet
controller can be a DSA master for more than one switch type, and it
understands some protocols but not others.
Also, scattering "if (netdev_uses_dsa(dev)) skb_checksum_help()" in
DSA-unaware drivers (the common case) seems like the improper approach.
We might end up seeing this pattern quite a lot, so DSA-unaware drivers
won't be DSA-unaware any longer.
It's still possible I'm misunderstanding something...

  reply	other threads:[~2022-01-24 17:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 88+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-01-05  3:15 [PATCH net-next v4 00/11] net: dsa: realtek: MDIO interface and RTL8367S Luiz Angelo Daros de Luca
2022-01-05  3:15 ` [PATCH net-next v4 01/11] net: dsa: realtek-smi: move to subdirectory Luiz Angelo Daros de Luca
2022-01-05  3:15 ` [PATCH net-next v4 02/11] net: dsa: realtek: rename realtek_smi to realtek_priv Luiz Angelo Daros de Luca
2022-01-07  3:42   ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-01-10 12:33   ` Alvin Šipraga
2022-01-16  0:04   ` Linus Walleij
2022-01-20 14:37   ` Vladimir Oltean
2022-01-05  3:15 ` [PATCH net-next v4 03/11] net: dsa: realtek: remove direct calls to realtek-smi Luiz Angelo Daros de Luca
2022-01-10 12:38   ` Alvin Šipraga
2022-01-16  0:05   ` Linus Walleij
2022-01-17  3:46   ` Florian Fainelli
2022-01-05  3:15 ` [PATCH net-next v4 04/11] net: dsa: realtek: convert subdrivers into modules Luiz Angelo Daros de Luca
2022-01-10 12:43   ` Alvin Šipraga
2022-01-17  4:02   ` Florian Fainelli
2022-01-05  3:15 ` [PATCH net-next v4 05/11] net: dsa: realtek: use phy_read in ds->ops Luiz Angelo Daros de Luca
2022-01-10 13:09   ` Alvin Šipraga
2022-01-17  4:15   ` Florian Fainelli
2022-01-18  2:55     ` Luiz Angelo Daros de Luca
2022-01-18 13:16       ` Andrew Lunn
2022-01-21 22:13         ` Luiz Angelo Daros de Luca
2022-01-21 23:48           ` Andrew Lunn
2022-01-05  3:15 ` [PATCH net-next v4 06/11] net: dsa: realtek: add new mdio interface for drivers Luiz Angelo Daros de Luca
2022-01-10 13:09   ` Alvin Šipraga
2022-01-17  4:22   ` Florian Fainelli
2022-01-18  4:38     ` Luiz Angelo Daros de Luca
2022-01-05  3:15 ` [PATCH net-next v4 07/11] net: dsa: realtek: rtl8365mb: rename extport to extint, add "realtek,ext-int" Luiz Angelo Daros de Luca
2022-01-10 13:15   ` Alvin Šipraga
2022-01-17  4:25   ` Florian Fainelli
2022-01-05  3:15 ` [PATCH net-next v4 08/11] net: dsa: realtek: rtl8365mb: use GENMASK(n-1,0) instead of BIT(n)-1 Luiz Angelo Daros de Luca
2022-01-10 13:18   ` Alvin Šipraga
2022-01-17  4:25   ` Florian Fainelli
2022-01-05  3:15 ` [PATCH net-next v4 09/11] net: dsa: realtek: rtl8365mb: use DSA CPU port Luiz Angelo Daros de Luca
2022-01-07  3:37   ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-01-10 13:22   ` Alvin Šipraga
2022-01-17  4:26   ` Florian Fainelli
2022-01-05  3:15 ` [PATCH net-next v4 10/11] net: dsa: realtek: rtl8365mb: add RTL8367S support Luiz Angelo Daros de Luca
2022-01-10 13:26   ` Alvin Šipraga
2022-01-17  4:26   ` Florian Fainelli
2022-01-05  3:15 ` [PATCH net-next v4 11/11] net: dsa: realtek: rtl8365mb: multiple cpu ports, non cpu extint Luiz Angelo Daros de Luca
2022-01-10 13:39   ` Alvin Šipraga
2022-01-10 13:53     ` Aw: " Frank Wunderlich
2022-01-11 18:17       ` Alvin Šipraga
2022-01-11 18:45         ` Aw: " Frank Wunderlich
2022-01-13 12:37           ` Alvin Šipraga
2022-01-13 15:56             ` Aw: " Frank Wunderlich
2022-01-18  4:58               ` Luiz Angelo Daros de Luca
2022-01-18 10:13                 ` Alvin Šipraga
2022-01-18 13:20                 ` Re: Re: " Andrew Lunn
2022-01-20 15:12                   ` Vladimir Oltean
2022-01-20 23:35                     ` Luiz Angelo Daros de Luca
2022-01-21  2:06                       ` Vladimir Oltean
2022-01-21  3:13                         ` Luiz Angelo Daros de Luca
2022-01-21  3:22                           ` Florian Fainelli
2022-01-21  3:42                             ` Luiz Angelo Daros de Luca
2022-01-21  3:50                               ` Florian Fainelli
2022-01-21  4:37                                 ` Luiz Angelo Daros de Luca
2022-01-21  9:07                                 ` Arınç ÜNAL
2022-01-21 18:50                           ` Vladimir Oltean
2022-01-21 21:51                             ` Luiz Angelo Daros de Luca
2022-01-21 22:49                               ` Vladimir Oltean
2022-01-22 20:12                                 ` Luiz Angelo Daros de Luca
2022-01-24 15:31                                   ` Vladimir Oltean
2022-01-24 16:46                                     ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-01-24 16:55                                       ` Vladimir Oltean
2022-01-24 17:01                                         ` Florian Fainelli
2022-01-24 17:21                                           ` Vladimir Oltean [this message]
2022-01-24 17:30                                             ` Florian Fainelli
2022-01-24 17:35                                             ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-01-24 18:20                                               ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-01-24 19:08                                                 ` Vladimir Oltean
2022-01-24 19:38                                                   ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-01-24 20:56                                                     ` Vladimir Oltean
2022-01-24 21:42                                                       ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-01-24 22:30                                                         ` Vladimir Oltean
2022-01-25  7:15                                                           ` Luiz Angelo Daros de Luca
2022-01-25  9:47                                                             ` Vladimir Oltean
2022-01-25 22:29                                                               ` Luiz Angelo Daros de Luca
2022-01-25 23:56                                                                 ` Florian Fainelli
2022-01-26 22:49                                                                   ` Luiz Angelo Daros de Luca
2022-01-25  9:44                                                           ` Arınç ÜNAL
2022-01-22 15:51                               ` Andrew Lunn
2022-01-30  1:54                 ` Re: Re: " Luiz Angelo Daros de Luca
2022-01-30  4:42                   ` Luiz Angelo Daros de Luca
2022-01-30 17:24                     ` Florian Fainelli
2022-01-31 17:26                       ` Luiz Angelo Daros de Luca
2022-02-01 14:46                         ` Vladimir Oltean
2022-01-20 14:36 ` [PATCH net-next v4 00/11] net: dsa: realtek: MDIO interface and RTL8367S Vladimir Oltean
2022-01-20 17:46   ` Luiz Angelo Daros de Luca

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