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From: "Michal Suchánek" <msuchanek@suse.de>
To: Mimi Zohar <zohar@linux.ibm.com>
Cc: Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>, Heiko Carstens <hca@linux.ibm.com>,
	Vasily Gorbik <gor@linux.ibm.com>,
	Alexander Gordeev <agordeev@linux.ibm.com>,
	Christian Borntraeger <borntraeger@linux.ibm.com>,
	Sven Schnelle <svens@linux.ibm.com>,
	Philipp Rudo <prudo@redhat.com>, Baoquan He <bhe@redhat.com>,
	Alexander Egorenkov <egorenar@linux.ibm.com>,
	AKASHI Takahiro <takahiro.akashi@linaro.org>,
	James Morse <james.morse@arm.com>, Dave Young <dyoung@redhat.com>,
	Kairui Song <kasong@redhat.com>,
	Martin Schwidefsky <schwidefsky@de.ibm.com>,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-s390@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-modules@vger.kernel.org, keyrings@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org, stable@kernel.org,
	Eric Snowberg <eric.snowberg@oracle.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 4/4] module, KEYS: Make use of platform keyring for signature verification
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2022 21:47:30 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20220215204730.GQ3113@kunlun.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3e39412657a4b0839bcf38544d591959e89877b8.camel@linux.ibm.com>

Hello,

On Tue, Feb 15, 2022 at 03:08:18PM -0500, Mimi Zohar wrote:
> [Cc'ing Eric Snowberg]
> 
> Hi Michal,
> 
> On Tue, 2022-02-15 at 20:39 +0100, Michal Suchanek wrote:
> > Commit 278311e417be ("kexec, KEYS: Make use of platform keyring for signature verify")
> > adds support for use of platform keyring in kexec verification but
> > support for modules is missing.
> > 
> > Add support for verification of modules with keys from platform keyring
> > as well.
> 
> Permission for loading the pre-OS keys onto the "platform" keyring and
> using them is limited to verifying the kexec kernel image, nothing
> else.

Why is the platform keyring limited to kexec, and nothing else?

It should either be used for everything or for nothing. You have the
option to compile it in and then it should be used, and the option to
not compile it in and then it cannot be used.

There are two basic use cases:

(1) there is a vendor key which is very hard to use so you sign
something small and simple like shim with the vendor key, and sign your
kernel and modules with your own key that's typically enrolled with shim
MOK, and built into the kernel.

(2) you import your key into the firmware, and possibly disable the
vendor key. You can load the kernel directly without shim, and then your
signing key is typically in the platform keyring and built into the
kernel.

In neither case do I see any reason to use some keyrings for kexec and
other keyrings for modules.

Thanks

Michal

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From: "Michal Suchánek" <msuchanek@suse.de>
To: Mimi Zohar <zohar@linux.ibm.com>
Cc: Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>, Heiko Carstens <hca@linux.ibm.com>,
	Vasily Gorbik <gor@linux.ibm.com>,
	Alexander Gordeev <agordeev@linux.ibm.com>,
	Christian Borntraeger <borntraeger@linux.ibm.com>,
	Sven Schnelle <svens@linux.ibm.com>,
	Philipp Rudo <prudo@redhat.com>, Baoquan He <bhe@redhat.com>,
	Alexander Egorenkov <egorenar@linux.ibm.com>,
	AKASHI Takahiro <takahiro.akashi@linaro.org>,
	James Morse <james.morse@arm.com>, Dave Young <dyoung@redhat.com>,
	Kairui Song <kasong@redhat.com>,
	Martin Schwidefsky <schwidefsky@de.ibm.com>,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-s390@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-modules@vger.kernel.org, keyrings@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org, stable@kernel.org,
	Eric Snowberg <eric.snowberg@oracle.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 4/4] module, KEYS: Make use of platform keyring for signature verification
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2022 21:47:30 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20220215204730.GQ3113@kunlun.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3e39412657a4b0839bcf38544d591959e89877b8.camel@linux.ibm.com>

Hello,

On Tue, Feb 15, 2022 at 03:08:18PM -0500, Mimi Zohar wrote:
> [Cc'ing Eric Snowberg]
> 
> Hi Michal,
> 
> On Tue, 2022-02-15 at 20:39 +0100, Michal Suchanek wrote:
> > Commit 278311e417be ("kexec, KEYS: Make use of platform keyring for signature verify")
> > adds support for use of platform keyring in kexec verification but
> > support for modules is missing.
> > 
> > Add support for verification of modules with keys from platform keyring
> > as well.
> 
> Permission for loading the pre-OS keys onto the "platform" keyring and
> using them is limited to verifying the kexec kernel image, nothing
> else.

Why is the platform keyring limited to kexec, and nothing else?

It should either be used for everything or for nothing. You have the
option to compile it in and then it should be used, and the option to
not compile it in and then it cannot be used.

There are two basic use cases:

(1) there is a vendor key which is very hard to use so you sign
something small and simple like shim with the vendor key, and sign your
kernel and modules with your own key that's typically enrolled with shim
MOK, and built into the kernel.

(2) you import your key into the firmware, and possibly disable the
vendor key. You can load the kernel directly without shim, and then your
signing key is typically in the platform keyring and built into the
kernel.

In neither case do I see any reason to use some keyrings for kexec and
other keyrings for modules.

Thanks

Michal

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  reply	other threads:[~2022-02-15 20:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-02-15 19:39 [PATCH 0/4] Unifrom keyring support across architectures and functions Michal Suchanek
2022-02-15 19:39 ` Michal Suchanek
2022-02-15 19:39 ` [PATCH 1/4] Fix arm64 kexec forbidding kernels signed with keys in the secondary keyring to boot Michal Suchanek
2022-02-15 19:39   ` Michal Suchanek
2022-02-15 19:39   ` Michal Suchanek
2022-04-06 15:41   ` joeyli
2022-04-06 15:41     ` joeyli
2022-04-06 15:41     ` joeyli
2022-04-08  7:11   ` Baoquan He
2022-04-08  7:11     ` Baoquan He
2022-04-08  7:11     ` Baoquan He
2022-02-15 19:39 ` [PATCH 2/4] kexec, KEYS, arm64: Make use of platform keyring for signature verification Michal Suchanek
2022-02-15 19:39   ` Michal Suchanek
2022-02-15 19:39   ` Michal Suchanek
2022-04-06 15:45   ` joeyli
2022-04-06 15:45     ` joeyli
2022-04-06 15:45     ` joeyli
2022-02-15 19:39 ` [PATCH 3/4] kexec, KEYS, s390: Make use of built-in and secondary " Michal Suchanek
2022-02-15 19:39   ` Michal Suchanek
2022-02-15 19:39   ` Michal Suchanek
2022-04-06 15:46   ` joeyli
2022-04-06 15:46     ` joeyli
2022-04-06 15:46     ` joeyli
2022-02-15 19:39 ` [PATCH 4/4] module, KEYS: Make use of platform " Michal Suchanek
2022-02-15 19:39   ` Michal Suchanek
2022-02-15 20:08   ` Mimi Zohar
2022-02-15 20:08     ` Mimi Zohar
2022-02-15 20:47     ` Michal Suchánek [this message]
2022-02-15 20:47       ` Michal Suchánek
2022-02-15 22:12       ` Mimi Zohar
2022-02-15 22:12         ` Mimi Zohar
2022-02-16 10:56         ` Michal Suchánek
2022-02-16 10:56           ` Michal Suchánek
2022-02-16 11:04           ` Michal Suchánek
2022-02-16 11:04             ` Michal Suchánek
2022-02-16 11:58           ` Mimi Zohar
2022-02-16 11:58             ` Mimi Zohar
2022-02-16 12:09             ` Michal Suchánek
2022-02-16 12:09               ` Michal Suchánek
2022-03-22 17:37               ` Luis Chamberlain
2022-03-22 17:37                 ` Luis Chamberlain
2022-03-22 18:55                 ` Mimi Zohar
2022-03-22 18:55                   ` Mimi Zohar
2022-03-28 10:15       ` joeyli
2022-03-28 10:15         ` joeyli
2022-03-28 13:28         ` Mimi Zohar
2022-03-28 13:28           ` Mimi Zohar
2022-03-28 14:03           ` Michal Suchánek
2022-03-28 14:03             ` Michal Suchánek
2022-03-28 14:44         ` Eric Snowberg
2022-03-28 14:44           ` Eric Snowberg
2022-03-28 16:29           ` Michal Suchánek
2022-03-28 16:29             ` Michal Suchánek
2022-04-08  7:47 ` [PATCH 0/4] Unifrom keyring support across architectures and functions Coiby Xu
2022-04-08  7:47   ` Coiby Xu
2022-04-08  7:47   ` Coiby Xu
2022-04-08  8:51   ` Michal Suchánek
2022-04-08  8:51     ` Michal =?unknown-8bit?q?Such=C3=A1nek?=
2022-04-08  8:51     ` Michal Suchánek

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