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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: "Jason A. Donenfeld" <Jason@zx2c4.com>
Cc: "Laszlo Ersek" <lersek@redhat.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"KVM list" <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
	"QEMU Developers" <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	linux-hyperv@vger.kernel.org,
	"Linux Crypto Mailing List" <linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Alexander Graf" <graf@amazon.com>,
	"Michael Kelley (LINUX)" <mikelley@microsoft.com>,
	"Greg Kroah-Hartman" <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	adrian@parity.io, "Daniel P. Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>,
	"Dominik Brodowski" <linux@dominikbrodowski.net>,
	"Jann Horn" <jannh@google.com>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org>,
	"Brown, Len" <len.brown@intel.com>, "Pavel Machek" <pavel@ucw.cz>,
	"Linux PM" <linux-pm@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Colm MacCarthaigh" <colmmacc@amazon.com>,
	"Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>, "Arnd Bergmann" <arnd@arndb.de>
Subject: Re: propagating vmgenid outward and upward
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2022 11:22:46 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20220302111737-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Yh+PET49oHNpxn+H@zx2c4.com>

On Wed, Mar 02, 2022 at 04:36:49PM +0100, Jason A. Donenfeld wrote:
> Hi Michael,
> 
> On Wed, Mar 02, 2022 at 10:20:25AM -0500, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > So writing some code:
> > 
> > 1:
> > 	put plaintext in a buffer
> > 	put a key in a buffer
> > 	put the nonce for that encryption in a buffer
> > 
> > 	if vm gen id != stored vm gen id
> > 		stored vm gen id = vm gen id
> > 		goto 1
> > 
> > I think this is race free, but I don't see why does it matter whether we
> > read gen id atomically or not.
> 
> Because that 16 byte read of vmgenid is not atomic. Let's say you read
> the first 8 bytes, and then the VM is forked.

But at this point when VM was forked plaintext key and nonce are all in
buffer, and you previously indicated a fork at this point is harmless.
You wrote "If it changes _after_ that point of check ... it doesn't
matter:"

> In the forked VM, the next
> 8 bytes are the same as last time, but the first 8 bytes, which you
> already read, have changed. In that case, your != becomes a ==, and the
> test fails.

Yes I'm aware what an atomic read is. If the read is not atomic
a part of value can change ;)

-- 
MST


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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: "Jason A. Donenfeld" <Jason@zx2c4.com>
Cc: "Brown, Len" <len.brown@intel.com>,
	linux-hyperv@vger.kernel.org,
	"Colm MacCarthaigh" <colmmacc@amazon.com>,
	"Daniel P. Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>,
	adrian@parity.io, "KVM list" <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Jann Horn" <jannh@google.com>,
	"Greg Kroah-Hartman" <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	"Linux PM" <linux-pm@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Dominik Brodowski" <linux@dominikbrodowski.net>,
	"QEMU Developers" <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	"Alexander Graf" <graf@amazon.com>,
	"Linux Crypto Mailing List" <linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Pavel Machek" <pavel@ucw.cz>, "Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>,
	"Michael Kelley (LINUX)" <mikelley@microsoft.com>,
	"Laszlo Ersek" <lersek@redhat.com>,
	"Arnd Bergmann" <arnd@arndb.de>
Subject: Re: propagating vmgenid outward and upward
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2022 11:22:46 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20220302111737-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Yh+PET49oHNpxn+H@zx2c4.com>

On Wed, Mar 02, 2022 at 04:36:49PM +0100, Jason A. Donenfeld wrote:
> Hi Michael,
> 
> On Wed, Mar 02, 2022 at 10:20:25AM -0500, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > So writing some code:
> > 
> > 1:
> > 	put plaintext in a buffer
> > 	put a key in a buffer
> > 	put the nonce for that encryption in a buffer
> > 
> > 	if vm gen id != stored vm gen id
> > 		stored vm gen id = vm gen id
> > 		goto 1
> > 
> > I think this is race free, but I don't see why does it matter whether we
> > read gen id atomically or not.
> 
> Because that 16 byte read of vmgenid is not atomic. Let's say you read
> the first 8 bytes, and then the VM is forked.

But at this point when VM was forked plaintext key and nonce are all in
buffer, and you previously indicated a fork at this point is harmless.
You wrote "If it changes _after_ that point of check ... it doesn't
matter:"

> In the forked VM, the next
> 8 bytes are the same as last time, but the first 8 bytes, which you
> already read, have changed. In that case, your != becomes a ==, and the
> test fails.

Yes I'm aware what an atomic read is. If the read is not atomic
a part of value can change ;)

-- 
MST



  reply	other threads:[~2022-03-02 16:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 61+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-03-01 15:42 propagating vmgenid outward and upward Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-03-01 16:15 ` Laszlo Ersek
2022-03-01 16:28   ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-03-01 16:28     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-03-01 17:17     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-03-01 17:17       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-03-01 18:37       ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-03-01 18:37         ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-03-02  7:42         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-03-02  7:42           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-03-02  7:48           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-03-02  7:48             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-03-02  8:30         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-03-02  8:30           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-03-02 11:26           ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-03-02 11:26             ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-03-02 12:58             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-03-02 12:58               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-03-02 13:55               ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-03-02 13:55                 ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-03-02 14:46                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-03-02 14:46                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-03-02 15:14                   ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-03-02 15:14                     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-03-02 15:20                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-03-02 15:20                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-03-02 15:36                       ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-03-02 15:36                         ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-03-02 16:22                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2022-03-02 16:22                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-03-02 16:32                           ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-03-02 16:32                             ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-03-02 17:27                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-03-02 17:27                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-03-03 13:07                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-03-03 13:07                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-03-02 16:29                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-03-02 16:29                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-03-01 16:21 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-03-01 16:21   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-03-01 16:35   ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-03-01 16:35     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-03-01 18:01 ` Greg KH
2022-03-01 18:01   ` Greg KH
2022-03-01 18:24   ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-03-01 18:24     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-03-01 19:41     ` Greg KH
2022-03-01 19:41       ` Greg KH
2022-03-01 23:12       ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-03-01 23:12         ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-03-02 14:35 ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-03-09 10:10 ` Alexander Graf
2022-03-09 22:02   ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-03-09 22:02     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-03-10 11:18     ` Alexander Graf
2022-03-20 22:53       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-03-20 22:53         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-04-19 15:12       ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-19 15:12         ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-19 16:43         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-04-19 16:43           ` Michael S. Tsirkin

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