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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Sami Tolvanen <samitolvanen@google.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
	Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@redhat.com>,
	x86@kernel.org, Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	Nathan Chancellor <nathan@kernel.org>,
	Nick Desaulniers <ndesaulniers@google.com>,
	Joao Moreira <joao@overdrivepizza.com>,
	Sedat Dilek <sedat.dilek@gmail.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	linux-hardening@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, llvm@lists.linux.dev
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v2 20/21] x86: Add support for CONFIG_CFI_CLANG
Date: Mon, 16 May 2022 20:30:47 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20220516183047.GM76023@worktop.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CABCJKucXA2jbTc9TF1mLUsEDKu52t71tzxpnsGOXY3_ks+W4Bg@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, May 16, 2022 at 10:15:00AM -0700, Sami Tolvanen wrote:
> On Mon, May 16, 2022 at 2:54 AM Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, May 13, 2022 at 01:21:58PM -0700, Sami Tolvanen wrote:
> > > With CONFIG_CFI_CLANG, the compiler injects a type preamble
> > > immediately before each function and a check to validate the target
> > > function type before indirect calls:
> > >
> > >   ; type preamble
> > >   __cfi_function:
> > >     int3
> > >     int3
> > >     mov <id>, %eax
> > >     int3
> > >     int3
> > >   function:
> > >     ...
> >
> > When I enable CFI_CLANG and X86_KERNEL_IBT I get:
> >
> > 0000000000000c80 <__cfi_io_schedule_timeout>:
> > c80:   cc                      int3
> > c81:   cc                      int3
> > c82:   b8 b5 b1 39 b3          mov    $0xb339b1b5,%eax
> > c87:   cc                      int3
> > c88:   cc                      int3
> >
> > 0000000000000c89 <io_schedule_timeout>:
> > c89:   f3 0f 1e fa             endbr64
> >
> >
> > That seems unfortunate. Would it be possible to get an additional
> > compiler option to suppress the endbr for all symbols that get a __cfi_
> > preaamble?
> 
> What's the concern with the endbr? Dropping it would currently break
> the CFI+IBT combination on newer hardware, no?

Well, yes, but also that combination isn't very interesting. See,

  https://lore.kernel.org/all/20220420004241.2093-1-joao@overdrivepizza.com/T/#m5d67fb010d488b2f8eee33f1eb39d12f769e4ad2

and the patch I did down-thread:

  https://lkml.kernel.org/r/YoJKhHluN4n0kZDm@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net

If we have IBT, then FineIBT is a much better option than kCFI+IBT.
Removing that superfluous endbr also shrinks the whole thing by 4 bytes.

So I'm fine with the compiler generating working code for that
combination; but please get me an option to supress it in order to save
those pointless bytes. All this CFI stuff is enough bloat as it is.

> > >   ; indirect call check
> > >     cmpl    <id>, -6(%r11)
> > >     je      .Ltmp1
> > >     ud2
> > >   .Ltmp1:
> > >     call    __x86_indirect_thunk_r11
> >
> > The first one I try and find looks like:
> >
> > 26:       41 81 7b fa a6 96 9e 38         cmpl   $0x389e96a6,-0x6(%r11)
> > 2e:       74 02                   je     32 <__traceiter_sched_kthread_stop+0x29>
> > 30:       0f 0b                   ud2
> > 32:       4c 89 f6                mov    %r14,%rsi
> > 35:       e8 00 00 00 00          call   3a <__traceiter_sched_kthread_stop+0x31> 36: R_X86_64_PLT32      __x86_indirect_thunk_r11-0x4
> >
> > This must not be. If I'm to rewrite that lot to:
> >
> >   movl  $\hash, %r10d
> >   sub   $9, %r11
> >   call  *%r11
> >   .nop  4
> >
> > Then there must not be spurious instruction in between the ud2 and the
> > indirect call/retpoline thing.
> 
> With the current compiler patch, LLVM sets up function arguments after
> the CFI check. if it's a problem, we can look into changing that.

Yes, please fix that. Again see that same patch for why this is a
problem. Objtool can trivially find retpoline calls, but finding this
kCFI gadget is going to be hard work. If you ensure they're
unconditionally stuck together, then the problem goes away find one,
finds the other.


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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Sami Tolvanen <samitolvanen@google.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
	Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@redhat.com>,
	x86@kernel.org, Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	Nathan Chancellor <nathan@kernel.org>,
	Nick Desaulniers <ndesaulniers@google.com>,
	Joao Moreira <joao@overdrivepizza.com>,
	Sedat Dilek <sedat.dilek@gmail.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	linux-hardening@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, llvm@lists.linux.dev
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v2 20/21] x86: Add support for CONFIG_CFI_CLANG
Date: Mon, 16 May 2022 20:30:47 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20220516183047.GM76023@worktop.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CABCJKucXA2jbTc9TF1mLUsEDKu52t71tzxpnsGOXY3_ks+W4Bg@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, May 16, 2022 at 10:15:00AM -0700, Sami Tolvanen wrote:
> On Mon, May 16, 2022 at 2:54 AM Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, May 13, 2022 at 01:21:58PM -0700, Sami Tolvanen wrote:
> > > With CONFIG_CFI_CLANG, the compiler injects a type preamble
> > > immediately before each function and a check to validate the target
> > > function type before indirect calls:
> > >
> > >   ; type preamble
> > >   __cfi_function:
> > >     int3
> > >     int3
> > >     mov <id>, %eax
> > >     int3
> > >     int3
> > >   function:
> > >     ...
> >
> > When I enable CFI_CLANG and X86_KERNEL_IBT I get:
> >
> > 0000000000000c80 <__cfi_io_schedule_timeout>:
> > c80:   cc                      int3
> > c81:   cc                      int3
> > c82:   b8 b5 b1 39 b3          mov    $0xb339b1b5,%eax
> > c87:   cc                      int3
> > c88:   cc                      int3
> >
> > 0000000000000c89 <io_schedule_timeout>:
> > c89:   f3 0f 1e fa             endbr64
> >
> >
> > That seems unfortunate. Would it be possible to get an additional
> > compiler option to suppress the endbr for all symbols that get a __cfi_
> > preaamble?
> 
> What's the concern with the endbr? Dropping it would currently break
> the CFI+IBT combination on newer hardware, no?

Well, yes, but also that combination isn't very interesting. See,

  https://lore.kernel.org/all/20220420004241.2093-1-joao@overdrivepizza.com/T/#m5d67fb010d488b2f8eee33f1eb39d12f769e4ad2

and the patch I did down-thread:

  https://lkml.kernel.org/r/YoJKhHluN4n0kZDm@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net

If we have IBT, then FineIBT is a much better option than kCFI+IBT.
Removing that superfluous endbr also shrinks the whole thing by 4 bytes.

So I'm fine with the compiler generating working code for that
combination; but please get me an option to supress it in order to save
those pointless bytes. All this CFI stuff is enough bloat as it is.

> > >   ; indirect call check
> > >     cmpl    <id>, -6(%r11)
> > >     je      .Ltmp1
> > >     ud2
> > >   .Ltmp1:
> > >     call    __x86_indirect_thunk_r11
> >
> > The first one I try and find looks like:
> >
> > 26:       41 81 7b fa a6 96 9e 38         cmpl   $0x389e96a6,-0x6(%r11)
> > 2e:       74 02                   je     32 <__traceiter_sched_kthread_stop+0x29>
> > 30:       0f 0b                   ud2
> > 32:       4c 89 f6                mov    %r14,%rsi
> > 35:       e8 00 00 00 00          call   3a <__traceiter_sched_kthread_stop+0x31> 36: R_X86_64_PLT32      __x86_indirect_thunk_r11-0x4
> >
> > This must not be. If I'm to rewrite that lot to:
> >
> >   movl  $\hash, %r10d
> >   sub   $9, %r11
> >   call  *%r11
> >   .nop  4
> >
> > Then there must not be spurious instruction in between the ud2 and the
> > indirect call/retpoline thing.
> 
> With the current compiler patch, LLVM sets up function arguments after
> the CFI check. if it's a problem, we can look into changing that.

Yes, please fix that. Again see that same patch for why this is a
problem. Objtool can trivially find retpoline calls, but finding this
kCFI gadget is going to be hard work. If you ensure they're
unconditionally stuck together, then the problem goes away find one,
finds the other.


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Thread overview: 174+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-05-13 20:21 [RFC PATCH v2 00/21] KCFI support Sami Tolvanen
2022-05-13 20:21 ` Sami Tolvanen
2022-05-13 20:21 ` [RFC PATCH v2 01/21] efi/libstub: Filter out CC_FLAGS_CFI Sami Tolvanen
2022-05-13 20:21   ` Sami Tolvanen
2022-05-14 21:42   ` Kees Cook
2022-05-14 21:42     ` Kees Cook
2022-05-16 15:44     ` Sami Tolvanen
2022-05-16 15:44       ` Sami Tolvanen
2022-05-13 20:21 ` [RFC PATCH v2 02/21] arm64/vdso: " Sami Tolvanen
2022-05-13 20:21   ` Sami Tolvanen
2022-05-14 21:42   ` Kees Cook
2022-05-14 21:42     ` Kees Cook
2022-05-13 20:21 ` [RFC PATCH v2 03/21] kallsyms: Ignore __kcfi_typeid_ Sami Tolvanen
2022-05-13 20:21   ` Sami Tolvanen
2022-05-14 21:43   ` Kees Cook
2022-05-14 21:43     ` Kees Cook
2022-05-13 20:21 ` [RFC PATCH v2 04/21] cfi: Remove CONFIG_CFI_CLANG_SHADOW Sami Tolvanen
2022-05-13 20:21   ` Sami Tolvanen
2022-05-14 21:43   ` Kees Cook
2022-05-14 21:43     ` Kees Cook
2022-05-13 20:21 ` [RFC PATCH v2 05/21] cfi: Drop __CFI_ADDRESSABLE Sami Tolvanen
2022-05-13 20:21   ` Sami Tolvanen
2022-05-14 21:44   ` Kees Cook
2022-05-14 21:44     ` Kees Cook
2022-05-13 20:21 ` [RFC PATCH v2 06/21] cfi: Switch to -fsanitize=kcfi Sami Tolvanen
2022-05-13 20:21   ` Sami Tolvanen
2022-05-14 21:46   ` Kees Cook
2022-05-14 21:46     ` Kees Cook
2022-05-15  3:41   ` Kees Cook
2022-05-15  3:41     ` Kees Cook
2022-05-13 20:21 ` [RFC PATCH v2 07/21] cfi: Add type helper macros Sami Tolvanen
2022-05-13 20:21   ` Sami Tolvanen
2022-05-14 21:49   ` Kees Cook
2022-05-14 21:49     ` Kees Cook
2022-05-16 12:28     ` Rasmus Villemoes
2022-05-16 12:28       ` Rasmus Villemoes
2022-05-16 16:23       ` Sami Tolvanen
2022-05-16 16:23         ` Sami Tolvanen
2022-05-16 16:04     ` Sami Tolvanen
2022-05-16 16:04       ` Sami Tolvanen
2022-05-13 20:21 ` [RFC PATCH v2 08/21] psci: Fix the function type for psci_initcall_t Sami Tolvanen
2022-05-13 20:21   ` Sami Tolvanen
2022-05-14 21:50   ` Kees Cook
2022-05-14 21:50     ` Kees Cook
2022-05-16 15:44     ` Sami Tolvanen
2022-05-16 15:44       ` Sami Tolvanen
2022-05-17  8:47   ` Mark Rutland
2022-05-17  8:47     ` Mark Rutland
2022-05-13 20:21 ` [RFC PATCH v2 09/21] arm64: Add types to indirect called assembly functions Sami Tolvanen
2022-05-13 20:21   ` Sami Tolvanen
2022-05-14 21:50   ` Kees Cook
2022-05-14 21:50     ` Kees Cook
2022-05-13 20:21 ` [RFC PATCH v2 10/21] arm64: Add CFI error handling Sami Tolvanen
2022-05-13 20:21   ` Sami Tolvanen
2022-05-14 21:51   ` Kees Cook
2022-05-14 21:51     ` Kees Cook
2022-05-16 16:24     ` Sami Tolvanen
2022-05-16 16:24       ` Sami Tolvanen
2022-05-13 20:21 ` [RFC PATCH v2 11/21] arm64: Drop unneeded __nocfi attributes Sami Tolvanen
2022-05-13 20:21   ` Sami Tolvanen
2022-05-14 21:54   ` Kees Cook
2022-05-14 21:54     ` Kees Cook
2022-05-16 16:28     ` Sami Tolvanen
2022-05-16 16:28       ` Sami Tolvanen
2022-05-13 20:21 ` [RFC PATCH v2 12/21] treewide: Drop function_nocfi Sami Tolvanen
2022-05-13 20:21   ` Sami Tolvanen
2022-05-14 21:54   ` Kees Cook
2022-05-14 21:54     ` Kees Cook
2022-05-13 20:21 ` [RFC PATCH v2 13/21] treewide: Drop WARN_ON_FUNCTION_MISMATCH Sami Tolvanen
2022-05-13 20:21   ` Sami Tolvanen
2022-05-14 21:54   ` Kees Cook
2022-05-14 21:54     ` Kees Cook
2022-05-13 20:21 ` [RFC PATCH v2 14/21] treewide: Drop __cficanonical Sami Tolvanen
2022-05-13 20:21   ` Sami Tolvanen
2022-05-14 21:56   ` Kees Cook
2022-05-14 21:56     ` Kees Cook
2022-05-16 16:32     ` Sami Tolvanen
2022-05-16 16:32       ` Sami Tolvanen
2022-05-13 20:21 ` [RFC PATCH v2 15/21] objtool: Don't warn about __cfi_ preambles falling through Sami Tolvanen
2022-05-13 20:21   ` Sami Tolvanen
2022-05-14 21:56   ` Kees Cook
2022-05-14 21:56     ` Kees Cook
2022-05-13 20:21 ` [RFC PATCH v2 16/21] x86/tools/relocs: Ignore __kcfi_typeid_ relocations Sami Tolvanen
2022-05-13 20:21   ` Sami Tolvanen
2022-05-14 21:57   ` Kees Cook
2022-05-14 21:57     ` Kees Cook
2022-05-13 20:21 ` [RFC PATCH v2 17/21] x86: Add types to indirectly called assembly functions Sami Tolvanen
2022-05-13 20:21   ` Sami Tolvanen
2022-05-14 21:58   ` Kees Cook
2022-05-14 21:58     ` Kees Cook
2022-05-13 20:21 ` [RFC PATCH v2 18/21] x86/purgatory: Disable CFI Sami Tolvanen
2022-05-13 20:21   ` Sami Tolvanen
2022-05-14 21:58   ` Kees Cook
2022-05-14 21:58     ` Kees Cook
2022-05-13 20:21 ` [RFC PATCH v2 19/21] x86/vdso: " Sami Tolvanen
2022-05-13 20:21   ` Sami Tolvanen
2022-05-14 21:58   ` Kees Cook
2022-05-14 21:58     ` Kees Cook
2022-05-13 20:21 ` [RFC PATCH v2 20/21] x86: Add support for CONFIG_CFI_CLANG Sami Tolvanen
2022-05-13 20:21   ` Sami Tolvanen
2022-05-14 22:02   ` Kees Cook
2022-05-14 22:02     ` Kees Cook
2022-05-16 18:57     ` Sami Tolvanen
2022-05-16 18:57       ` Sami Tolvanen
2022-05-15  3:19   ` Kees Cook
2022-05-15  3:19     ` Kees Cook
2022-05-16  8:32   ` David Laight
2022-05-16  8:32     ` David Laight
2022-05-16 16:39     ` Sami Tolvanen
2022-05-16 16:39       ` Sami Tolvanen
2022-05-16 21:32       ` David Laight
2022-05-16 21:32         ` David Laight
2022-05-16 21:44         ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-05-16 21:44           ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-05-16 22:03           ` Sami Tolvanen
2022-05-16 22:03             ` Sami Tolvanen
2022-05-17  6:44             ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-05-17  6:44               ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-05-17 20:36               ` Sami Tolvanen
2022-05-17 20:36                 ` Sami Tolvanen
2022-05-17  7:56             ` David Laight
2022-05-17  7:56               ` David Laight
2022-05-16  9:54   ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-05-16  9:54     ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-05-16 11:45     ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-05-16 11:45       ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-05-16 12:58       ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-05-16 12:58         ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-05-20 13:49         ` Matthew Wilcox
2022-05-20 13:49           ` Matthew Wilcox
2022-05-16 17:15     ` Sami Tolvanen
2022-05-16 17:15       ` Sami Tolvanen
2022-05-16 18:30       ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2022-05-16 18:30         ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-05-16 19:39         ` Sami Tolvanen
2022-05-16 19:39           ` Sami Tolvanen
2022-05-16 20:37           ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-05-16 20:37             ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-05-25 20:02             ` Kees Cook
2022-05-25 20:02               ` Kees Cook
2022-05-16 22:59         ` Kees Cook
2022-05-16 22:59           ` Kees Cook
2022-05-17  8:05           ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-05-17  8:05             ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-05-17  8:32             ` Joao Moreira
2022-05-17  8:32               ` Joao Moreira
2022-05-17  8:40             ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-05-17  8:40               ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-05-17  8:48               ` David Laight
2022-05-17  8:48                 ` David Laight
2022-05-17  9:38                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-05-17  9:38                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-05-13 20:21 ` [RFC PATCH v2 21/21] init: Drop __nocfi from __init Sami Tolvanen
2022-05-13 20:21   ` Sami Tolvanen
2022-05-14 22:03   ` Kees Cook
2022-05-14 22:03     ` Kees Cook
2022-05-16 17:16     ` Sami Tolvanen
2022-05-16 17:16       ` Sami Tolvanen
     [not found] ` <CA+icZUWr+-HjMvY1VZf+nqjTadxSTDciux0Y5Y-+p_j4o7CmXg@mail.gmail.com>
2022-05-16 17:57   ` [RFC PATCH v2 00/21] KCFI support Sami Tolvanen
2022-05-16 17:57     ` Sami Tolvanen
2022-05-17  7:33     ` Sedat Dilek
2022-05-17  7:33       ` Sedat Dilek
2022-05-17 18:49       ` Nathan Chancellor
2022-05-17 18:49         ` Nathan Chancellor
2022-05-19  9:01         ` Sedat Dilek
2022-05-19  9:01           ` Sedat Dilek
2022-05-19 20:26           ` Nathan Chancellor
2022-05-19 20:26             ` Nathan Chancellor
2022-05-19 20:41             ` Sami Tolvanen
2022-05-19 20:41               ` Sami Tolvanen
2022-05-17  8:57 ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-05-17  8:57   ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-05-17 20:25   ` Sami Tolvanen
2022-05-17 20:25     ` Sami Tolvanen

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