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From: Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>
To: "guanghui.fgh" <guanghuifeng@linux.alibaba.com>
Cc: baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com, catalin.marinas@arm.com,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, david@redhat.com, jianyong.wu@arm.com,
	james.morse@arm.com, quic_qiancai@quicinc.com,
	christophe.leroy@csgroup.eu, jonathan@marek.ca,
	mark.rutland@arm.com, thunder.leizhen@huawei.com,
	anshuman.khandual@arm.com, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, rppt@kernel.org,
	geert+renesas@glider.be, ardb@kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	yaohongbo@linux.alibaba.com,
	alikernel-developer@linux.alibaba.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4] arm64: mm: fix linear mem mapping access performance degradation
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2022 17:38:15 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20220704163815.GA32177@willie-the-truck> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <6977c692-78ca-5a67-773e-0389c85f2650@linux.alibaba.com>

On Mon, Jul 04, 2022 at 10:34:07PM +0800, guanghui.fgh wrote:
> Thanks.
> 
> 在 2022/7/4 22:23, Will Deacon 写道:
> > On Mon, Jul 04, 2022 at 10:11:27PM +0800, guanghui.fgh wrote:
> > > 在 2022/7/4 21:15, Will Deacon 写道:
> > > > On Mon, Jul 04, 2022 at 08:05:59PM +0800, guanghui.fgh wrote:
> > > > > > > 1.Quoted messages from arch/arm64/mm/init.c
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > "Memory reservation for crash kernel either done early or deferred
> > > > > > > depending on DMA memory zones configs (ZONE_DMA) --
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > In absence of ZONE_DMA configs arm64_dma_phys_limit initialized
> > > > > > > here instead of max_zone_phys().  This lets early reservation of
> > > > > > > crash kernel memory which has a dependency on arm64_dma_phys_limit.
> > > > > > > Reserving memory early for crash kernel allows linear creation of block
> > > > > > > mappings (greater than page-granularity) for all the memory bank rangs.
> > > > > > > In this scheme a comparatively quicker boot is observed.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > If ZONE_DMA configs are defined, crash kernel memory reservation
> > > > > > > is delayed until DMA zone memory range size initialization performed in
> > > > > > > zone_sizes_init().  The defer is necessary to steer clear of DMA zone
> > > > > > > memory range to avoid overlap allocation.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > [[[
> > > > > > > So crash kernel memory boundaries are not known when mapping all bank memory
> > > > > > > ranges, which otherwise means not possible to exclude crash kernel range
> > > > > > > from creating block mappings so page-granularity mappings are created for
> > > > > > > the entire memory range.
> > > > > > > ]]]"
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Namely, the init order: memblock init--->linear mem mapping(4k mapping for
> > > > > > > crashkernel, requirinig page-granularity changing))--->zone dma
> > > > > > > limit--->reserve crashkernel.
> > > > > > > So when enable ZONE DMA and using crashkernel, the mem mapping using 4k
> > > > > > > mapping.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Yes, I understand that is how things work today but I'm saying that we may
> > > > > > as well leave the crashkernel mapped (at block granularity) if
> > > > > > !can_set_direct_map() and then I think your patch becomes a lot simpler.
> > > > > 
> > > > > But Page-granularity mapppings are necessary for crash kernel memory range
> > > > > for shrinking its size via /sys/kernel/kexec_crash_size interfac(Quoted from
> > > > > arch/arm64/mm/init.c).
> > > > > So this patch split block/section mapping to 4k page-granularity mapping for
> > > > > crashkernel mem.
> > > > 
> > > > Why? I don't see why the mapping granularity is relevant at all if we
> > > > always leave the whole thing mapped.
> > > > 
> > > There is another reason.
> > > 
> > > When loading crashkernel finish, the do_kexec_load will use
> > > arch_kexec_protect_crashkres to invalid all the pagetable for crashkernel
> > > mem(protect crashkernel mem from access).
> > > 
> > > arch_kexec_protect_crashkres--->set_memory_valid--->...--->apply_to_pmd_range
> > > 
> > > In the apply_to_pmd_range, there is a judement: BUG_ON(pud_huge(*pud)). And
> > > if the crashkernel use block/section mapping, there will be some error.
> > > 
> > > Namely, it's need to use non block/section mapping for crashkernel mem
> > > before shringking.
> > 
> > Well, yes, but we can change arch_kexec_[un]protect_crashkres() not to do
> > that if we're leaving the thing mapped, no?
> > 
> I think we should use arch_kexec_[un]protect_crashkres for crashkernel mem.
> 
> Because when invalid crashkernel mem pagetable, there is no chance to rd/wr
> the crashkernel mem by mistake.
> 
> If we don't use arch_kexec_[un]protect_crashkres to invalid crashkernel mem
> pagetable, there maybe some write operations to these mem by mistake which
> may cause crashkernel boot error and vmcore saving error.

I don't really buy this line of reasoning. The entire main kernel is
writable, so why do we care about protecting the crashkernel so much? The
_code_ to launch the crash kernel is writable! If you care about preventing
writes to memory which should not be writable, then you should use
rodata=full.

Will

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From: Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>
To: "guanghui.fgh" <guanghuifeng@linux.alibaba.com>
Cc: baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com, catalin.marinas@arm.com,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, david@redhat.com, jianyong.wu@arm.com,
	james.morse@arm.com, quic_qiancai@quicinc.com,
	christophe.leroy@csgroup.eu, jonathan@marek.ca,
	mark.rutland@arm.com, thunder.leizhen@huawei.com,
	anshuman.khandual@arm.com, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, rppt@kernel.org,
	geert+renesas@glider.be, ardb@kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	yaohongbo@linux.alibaba.com,
	alikernel-developer@linux.alibaba.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4] arm64: mm: fix linear mem mapping access performance degradation
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2022 17:38:15 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20220704163815.GA32177@willie-the-truck> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <6977c692-78ca-5a67-773e-0389c85f2650@linux.alibaba.com>

On Mon, Jul 04, 2022 at 10:34:07PM +0800, guanghui.fgh wrote:
> Thanks.
> 
> 在 2022/7/4 22:23, Will Deacon 写道:
> > On Mon, Jul 04, 2022 at 10:11:27PM +0800, guanghui.fgh wrote:
> > > 在 2022/7/4 21:15, Will Deacon 写道:
> > > > On Mon, Jul 04, 2022 at 08:05:59PM +0800, guanghui.fgh wrote:
> > > > > > > 1.Quoted messages from arch/arm64/mm/init.c
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > "Memory reservation for crash kernel either done early or deferred
> > > > > > > depending on DMA memory zones configs (ZONE_DMA) --
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > In absence of ZONE_DMA configs arm64_dma_phys_limit initialized
> > > > > > > here instead of max_zone_phys().  This lets early reservation of
> > > > > > > crash kernel memory which has a dependency on arm64_dma_phys_limit.
> > > > > > > Reserving memory early for crash kernel allows linear creation of block
> > > > > > > mappings (greater than page-granularity) for all the memory bank rangs.
> > > > > > > In this scheme a comparatively quicker boot is observed.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > If ZONE_DMA configs are defined, crash kernel memory reservation
> > > > > > > is delayed until DMA zone memory range size initialization performed in
> > > > > > > zone_sizes_init().  The defer is necessary to steer clear of DMA zone
> > > > > > > memory range to avoid overlap allocation.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > [[[
> > > > > > > So crash kernel memory boundaries are not known when mapping all bank memory
> > > > > > > ranges, which otherwise means not possible to exclude crash kernel range
> > > > > > > from creating block mappings so page-granularity mappings are created for
> > > > > > > the entire memory range.
> > > > > > > ]]]"
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Namely, the init order: memblock init--->linear mem mapping(4k mapping for
> > > > > > > crashkernel, requirinig page-granularity changing))--->zone dma
> > > > > > > limit--->reserve crashkernel.
> > > > > > > So when enable ZONE DMA and using crashkernel, the mem mapping using 4k
> > > > > > > mapping.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Yes, I understand that is how things work today but I'm saying that we may
> > > > > > as well leave the crashkernel mapped (at block granularity) if
> > > > > > !can_set_direct_map() and then I think your patch becomes a lot simpler.
> > > > > 
> > > > > But Page-granularity mapppings are necessary for crash kernel memory range
> > > > > for shrinking its size via /sys/kernel/kexec_crash_size interfac(Quoted from
> > > > > arch/arm64/mm/init.c).
> > > > > So this patch split block/section mapping to 4k page-granularity mapping for
> > > > > crashkernel mem.
> > > > 
> > > > Why? I don't see why the mapping granularity is relevant at all if we
> > > > always leave the whole thing mapped.
> > > > 
> > > There is another reason.
> > > 
> > > When loading crashkernel finish, the do_kexec_load will use
> > > arch_kexec_protect_crashkres to invalid all the pagetable for crashkernel
> > > mem(protect crashkernel mem from access).
> > > 
> > > arch_kexec_protect_crashkres--->set_memory_valid--->...--->apply_to_pmd_range
> > > 
> > > In the apply_to_pmd_range, there is a judement: BUG_ON(pud_huge(*pud)). And
> > > if the crashkernel use block/section mapping, there will be some error.
> > > 
> > > Namely, it's need to use non block/section mapping for crashkernel mem
> > > before shringking.
> > 
> > Well, yes, but we can change arch_kexec_[un]protect_crashkres() not to do
> > that if we're leaving the thing mapped, no?
> > 
> I think we should use arch_kexec_[un]protect_crashkres for crashkernel mem.
> 
> Because when invalid crashkernel mem pagetable, there is no chance to rd/wr
> the crashkernel mem by mistake.
> 
> If we don't use arch_kexec_[un]protect_crashkres to invalid crashkernel mem
> pagetable, there maybe some write operations to these mem by mistake which
> may cause crashkernel boot error and vmcore saving error.

I don't really buy this line of reasoning. The entire main kernel is
writable, so why do we care about protecting the crashkernel so much? The
_code_ to launch the crash kernel is writable! If you care about preventing
writes to memory which should not be writable, then you should use
rodata=full.

Will

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Thread overview: 79+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-07-02 15:57 [PATCH v4] arm64: mm: fix linear mem mapping access performance degradation Guanghui Feng
2022-07-02 15:57 ` Guanghui Feng
2022-07-04 10:35 ` Will Deacon
2022-07-04 10:35   ` Will Deacon
2022-07-04 10:58   ` guanghui.fgh
2022-07-04 10:58     ` guanghui.fgh
2022-07-04 11:14     ` Will Deacon
2022-07-04 11:14       ` Will Deacon
2022-07-04 12:05       ` guanghui.fgh
2022-07-04 12:05         ` guanghui.fgh
2022-07-04 13:15         ` Will Deacon
2022-07-04 13:15           ` Will Deacon
2022-07-04 13:41           ` guanghui.fgh
2022-07-04 13:41             ` guanghui.fgh
2022-07-04 14:11           ` guanghui.fgh
2022-07-04 14:11             ` guanghui.fgh
2022-07-04 14:23             ` Will Deacon
2022-07-04 14:23               ` Will Deacon
2022-07-04 14:34               ` guanghui.fgh
2022-07-04 14:34                 ` guanghui.fgh
2022-07-04 16:38                 ` Will Deacon [this message]
2022-07-04 16:38                   ` Will Deacon
2022-07-04 17:09                   ` Ard Biesheuvel
2022-07-04 17:09                     ` Ard Biesheuvel
2022-07-05  8:35                     ` Baoquan He
2022-07-05  8:35                       ` Baoquan He
2022-07-05  8:35                       ` Baoquan He
2022-07-05  9:52                     ` Will Deacon
2022-07-05  9:52                       ` Will Deacon
2022-07-05 12:07                       ` guanghui.fgh
2022-07-05 12:07                         ` guanghui.fgh
2022-07-05 12:11                         ` Will Deacon
2022-07-05 12:11                           ` Will Deacon
2022-07-05 12:27                           ` guanghui.fgh
2022-07-05 12:27                             ` guanghui.fgh
2022-07-05 12:56                           ` Mike Rapoport
2022-07-05 12:56                             ` Mike Rapoport
2022-07-05 13:17                             ` guanghui.fgh
2022-07-05 13:17                               ` guanghui.fgh
2022-07-05 15:02                           ` Mike Rapoport
2022-07-05 15:02                             ` Mike Rapoport
2022-07-05 15:34                             ` Catalin Marinas
2022-07-05 15:34                               ` Catalin Marinas
2022-07-05 15:57                               ` Mike Rapoport
2022-07-05 15:57                                 ` Mike Rapoport
2022-07-05 17:05                                 ` Catalin Marinas
2022-07-05 17:05                                   ` Catalin Marinas
2022-07-05 20:45                                   ` Mike Rapoport
2022-07-05 20:45                                     ` Mike Rapoport
2022-07-06  2:49                                     ` guanghui.fgh
2022-07-06  2:49                                       ` guanghui.fgh
2022-07-06  7:43                                       ` Catalin Marinas
2022-07-06  7:43                                         ` Catalin Marinas
2022-07-06 10:04                                     ` Catalin Marinas
2022-07-06 10:04                                       ` Catalin Marinas
2022-07-06 13:54                                       ` Mike Rapoport
2022-07-06 13:54                                         ` Mike Rapoport
2022-07-06 15:18                                         ` guanghui.fgh
2022-07-06 15:18                                           ` guanghui.fgh
2022-07-06 15:30                                           ` guanghui.fgh
2022-07-06 15:30                                             ` guanghui.fgh
2022-07-06 15:40                                           ` Catalin Marinas
2022-07-06 15:40                                             ` Catalin Marinas
2022-07-07 17:02                                             ` guanghui.fgh
2022-07-07 17:02                                               ` guanghui.fgh
2022-07-08 12:28                                             ` [PATCH RESEND " guanghui.fgh
2022-07-08 12:28                                               ` guanghui.fgh
2022-07-10 13:44                                               ` [PATCH v5] " Guanghui Feng
2022-07-10 13:44                                                 ` Guanghui Feng
2022-07-10 14:32                                                 ` guanghui.fgh
2022-07-10 14:32                                                   ` guanghui.fgh
2022-07-10 15:33                                                 ` guanghui.fgh
2022-07-10 15:33                                                   ` guanghui.fgh
2022-07-18 13:10                                                   ` Will Deacon
2022-07-18 13:10                                                     ` Will Deacon
2022-07-25  6:46                                                     ` Mike Rapoport
2022-07-25  6:46                                                       ` Mike Rapoport
2022-07-05  2:44                   ` [PATCH v4] " guanghui.fgh
2022-07-05  2:44                     ` guanghui.fgh

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