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From: Hans de Goede <hdegoede@redhat.com>
To: "Ben Skeggs" <bskeggs@redhat.com>,
	"Karol Herbst" <kherbst@redhat.com>, Lyude <lyude@redhat.com>,
	"Daniel Dadap" <ddadap@nvidia.com>,
	"Maarten Lankhorst" <maarten.lankhorst@linux.intel.com>,
	"Maxime Ripard" <mripard@kernel.org>,
	"Thomas Zimmermann" <tzimmermann@suse.de>,
	"Jani Nikula" <jani.nikula@linux.intel.com>,
	"Joonas Lahtinen" <joonas.lahtinen@linux.intel.com>,
	"Rodrigo Vivi" <rodrigo.vivi@intel.com>,
	"Tvrtko Ursulin" <tvrtko.ursulin@linux.intel.com>,
	"Alex Deucher" <alexander.deucher@amd.com>,
	"Christian König" <christian.koenig@amd.com>,
	Pan@vger.kernel.org, Xinhui <Xinhui.Pan@amd.com>,
	"Rafael J . Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org>,
	"Mika Westerberg" <mika.westerberg@linux.intel.com>,
	"Lukas Wunner" <lukas@wunner.de>,
	"Mark Gross" <markgross@kernel.org>,
	"Andy Shevchenko" <andy@kernel.org>
Cc: Hans de Goede <hdegoede@redhat.com>,
	nouveau@lists.freedesktop.org, Daniel Vetter <daniel@ffwll.ch>,
	David Airlie <airlied@linux.ie>,
	intel-gfx <intel-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org>,
	dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org, amd-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org,
	Len Brown <lenb@kernel.org>,
	linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org, platform-driver-x86@vger.kernel.org
Subject: [PATCH v4 31/31] drm/todo: Add entry about dealing with brightness control on devices with > 1 panel
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2022 14:15:23 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20220824121523.1291269-32-hdegoede@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20220824121523.1291269-1-hdegoede@redhat.com>

Add an entry summarizing the discussion about dealing with brightness
control on devices with more then 1 internal panel.

The original discussion can be found here:
https://lore.kernel.org/dri-devel/20220517152331.16217-1-hdegoede@redhat.com/

Signed-off-by: Hans de Goede <hdegoede@redhat.com>
---
 Documentation/gpu/todo.rst | 68 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
 1 file changed, 68 insertions(+)

diff --git a/Documentation/gpu/todo.rst b/Documentation/gpu/todo.rst
index 7634c27ac562..393d218e4a0c 100644
--- a/Documentation/gpu/todo.rst
+++ b/Documentation/gpu/todo.rst
@@ -679,6 +679,74 @@ Contact: Sam Ravnborg
 
 Level: Advanced
 
+Brightness handling on devices with multiple internal panels
+============================================================
+
+On x86/ACPI devices there can be multiple backlight firmware interfaces:
+(ACPI) video, vendor specific and others. As well as direct/native (PWM)
+register programming by the KMS driver.
+
+To deal with this backlight drivers used on x86/ACPI call
+acpi_video_get_backlight_type() which has heuristics (+quirks) to select
+which backlight interface to use; and backlight drivers which do not match
+the returned type will not register themselves, so that only one backlight
+device gets registered (in a single GPU setup, see below).
+
+At the moment this more or less assumes that there will only
+be 1 (internal) panel on a system.
+
+On systems with 2 panels this may be a problem, depending on
+what interface acpi_video_get_backlight_type() selects:
+
+1. native: in this case the KMS driver is expected to know which backlight
+   device belongs to which output so everything should just work.
+2. video: this does support controlling multiple backlights, but some work
+   will need to be done to get the output <-> backlight device mapping
+
+The above assumes both panels will require the same backlight interface type.
+Things will break on systems with multiple panels where the 2 panels need
+a different type of control. E.g. one panel needs ACPI video backlight control,
+where as the other is using native backlight control. Currently in this case
+only one of the 2 required backlight devices will get registered, based on
+the acpi_video_get_backlight_type() return value.
+
+If this (theoretical) case ever shows up, then supporting this will need some
+work. A possible solution here would be to pass a device and connector-name
+to acpi_video_get_backlight_type() so that it can deal with this.
+
+Note in a way we already have a case where userspace sees 2 panels,
+in dual GPU laptop setups with a mux. On those systems we may see
+either 2 native backlight devices; or 2 native backlight devices.
+
+Userspace already has code to deal with this by detecting if the related
+panel is active (iow which way the mux between the GPU and the panels
+points) and then uses that backlight device. Userspace here very much
+assumes a single panel though. It picks only 1 of the 2 backlight devices
+and then only uses that one.
+
+Note that all userspace code (that I know off) is currently hardcoded
+to assume a single panel.
+
+Before the recent changes to not register multiple (e.g. video + native)
+/sys/class/backlight devices for a single panel (on a single GPU laptop),
+userspace would see multiple backlight devices all controlling the same
+backlight.
+
+To deal with this userspace had to always picks one preferred device under
+/sys/class/backlight and will ignore the others. So to support brightness
+control on multiple panels userspace will need to be updated too.
+
+There are plans to allow brightness control through the KMS API by adding
+a "display brightness" property to drm_connector objects for panels. This
+solves a number of issues with the /sys/class/backlight API, including not
+being able to map a sysfs backlight device to a specific connector. Any
+userspace changes to add support for brightness control on devices with
+multiple panels really should build on top of this new KMS property.
+
+Contact: Hans de Goede
+
+Level: Advanced
+
 Outside DRM
 ===========
 
-- 
2.37.2


WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Hans de Goede <hdegoede@redhat.com>
To: "Ben Skeggs" <bskeggs@redhat.com>,
	"Karol Herbst" <kherbst@redhat.com>, Lyude <lyude@redhat.com>,
	"Daniel Dadap" <ddadap@nvidia.com>,
	"Maarten Lankhorst" <maarten.lankhorst@linux.intel.com>,
	"Maxime Ripard" <mripard@kernel.org>,
	"Thomas Zimmermann" <tzimmermann@suse.de>,
	"Jani Nikula" <jani.nikula@linux.intel.com>,
	"Joonas Lahtinen" <joonas.lahtinen@linux.intel.com>,
	"Rodrigo Vivi" <rodrigo.vivi@intel.com>,
	"Tvrtko Ursulin" <tvrtko.ursulin@linux.intel.com>,
	"Alex Deucher" <alexander.deucher@amd.com>,
	"Christian König" <christian.koenig@amd.com>,
	Pan@freedesktop.org, Xinhui <Xinhui.Pan@amd.com>,
	"Rafael J . Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org>,
	"Mika Westerberg" <mika.westerberg@linux.intel.com>,
	"Lukas Wunner" <lukas@wunner.de>,
	"Mark Gross" <markgross@kernel.org>,
	"Andy Shevchenko" <andy@kernel.org>
Cc: linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org, David Airlie <airlied@linux.ie>,
	nouveau@lists.freedesktop.org,
	intel-gfx <intel-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org>,
	dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org,
	platform-driver-x86@vger.kernel.org,
	Hans de Goede <hdegoede@redhat.com>,
	amd-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org, Daniel Vetter <daniel@ffwll.ch>,
	Len Brown <lenb@kernel.org>
Subject: [Nouveau] [PATCH v4 31/31] drm/todo: Add entry about dealing with brightness control on devices with > 1 panel
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2022 14:15:23 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20220824121523.1291269-32-hdegoede@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20220824121523.1291269-1-hdegoede@redhat.com>

Add an entry summarizing the discussion about dealing with brightness
control on devices with more then 1 internal panel.

The original discussion can be found here:
https://lore.kernel.org/dri-devel/20220517152331.16217-1-hdegoede@redhat.com/

Signed-off-by: Hans de Goede <hdegoede@redhat.com>
---
 Documentation/gpu/todo.rst | 68 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
 1 file changed, 68 insertions(+)

diff --git a/Documentation/gpu/todo.rst b/Documentation/gpu/todo.rst
index 7634c27ac562..393d218e4a0c 100644
--- a/Documentation/gpu/todo.rst
+++ b/Documentation/gpu/todo.rst
@@ -679,6 +679,74 @@ Contact: Sam Ravnborg
 
 Level: Advanced
 
+Brightness handling on devices with multiple internal panels
+============================================================
+
+On x86/ACPI devices there can be multiple backlight firmware interfaces:
+(ACPI) video, vendor specific and others. As well as direct/native (PWM)
+register programming by the KMS driver.
+
+To deal with this backlight drivers used on x86/ACPI call
+acpi_video_get_backlight_type() which has heuristics (+quirks) to select
+which backlight interface to use; and backlight drivers which do not match
+the returned type will not register themselves, so that only one backlight
+device gets registered (in a single GPU setup, see below).
+
+At the moment this more or less assumes that there will only
+be 1 (internal) panel on a system.
+
+On systems with 2 panels this may be a problem, depending on
+what interface acpi_video_get_backlight_type() selects:
+
+1. native: in this case the KMS driver is expected to know which backlight
+   device belongs to which output so everything should just work.
+2. video: this does support controlling multiple backlights, but some work
+   will need to be done to get the output <-> backlight device mapping
+
+The above assumes both panels will require the same backlight interface type.
+Things will break on systems with multiple panels where the 2 panels need
+a different type of control. E.g. one panel needs ACPI video backlight control,
+where as the other is using native backlight control. Currently in this case
+only one of the 2 required backlight devices will get registered, based on
+the acpi_video_get_backlight_type() return value.
+
+If this (theoretical) case ever shows up, then supporting this will need some
+work. A possible solution here would be to pass a device and connector-name
+to acpi_video_get_backlight_type() so that it can deal with this.
+
+Note in a way we already have a case where userspace sees 2 panels,
+in dual GPU laptop setups with a mux. On those systems we may see
+either 2 native backlight devices; or 2 native backlight devices.
+
+Userspace already has code to deal with this by detecting if the related
+panel is active (iow which way the mux between the GPU and the panels
+points) and then uses that backlight device. Userspace here very much
+assumes a single panel though. It picks only 1 of the 2 backlight devices
+and then only uses that one.
+
+Note that all userspace code (that I know off) is currently hardcoded
+to assume a single panel.
+
+Before the recent changes to not register multiple (e.g. video + native)
+/sys/class/backlight devices for a single panel (on a single GPU laptop),
+userspace would see multiple backlight devices all controlling the same
+backlight.
+
+To deal with this userspace had to always picks one preferred device under
+/sys/class/backlight and will ignore the others. So to support brightness
+control on multiple panels userspace will need to be updated too.
+
+There are plans to allow brightness control through the KMS API by adding
+a "display brightness" property to drm_connector objects for panels. This
+solves a number of issues with the /sys/class/backlight API, including not
+being able to map a sysfs backlight device to a specific connector. Any
+userspace changes to add support for brightness control on devices with
+multiple panels really should build on top of this new KMS property.
+
+Contact: Hans de Goede
+
+Level: Advanced
+
 Outside DRM
 ===========
 
-- 
2.37.2


WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Hans de Goede <hdegoede@redhat.com>
To: "Ben Skeggs" <bskeggs@redhat.com>,
	"Karol Herbst" <kherbst@redhat.com>, Lyude <lyude@redhat.com>,
	"Daniel Dadap" <ddadap@nvidia.com>,
	"Maarten Lankhorst" <maarten.lankhorst@linux.intel.com>,
	"Maxime Ripard" <mripard@kernel.org>,
	"Thomas Zimmermann" <tzimmermann@suse.de>,
	"Jani Nikula" <jani.nikula@linux.intel.com>,
	"Joonas Lahtinen" <joonas.lahtinen@linux.intel.com>,
	"Rodrigo Vivi" <rodrigo.vivi@intel.com>,
	"Tvrtko Ursulin" <tvrtko.ursulin@linux.intel.com>,
	"Alex Deucher" <alexander.deucher@amd.com>,
	"Christian König" <christian.koenig@amd.com>,
	Pan@freedesktop.org, Xinhui <Xinhui.Pan@amd.com>,
	"Rafael J . Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org>,
	"Mika Westerberg" <mika.westerberg@linux.intel.com>,
	"Lukas Wunner" <lukas@wunner.de>,
	"Mark Gross" <markgross@kernel.org>,
	"Andy Shevchenko" <andy@kernel.org>
Cc: linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org, David Airlie <airlied@linux.ie>,
	nouveau@lists.freedesktop.org,
	intel-gfx <intel-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org>,
	dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org,
	platform-driver-x86@vger.kernel.org,
	Hans de Goede <hdegoede@redhat.com>,
	amd-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org, Len Brown <lenb@kernel.org>
Subject: [PATCH v4 31/31] drm/todo: Add entry about dealing with brightness control on devices with > 1 panel
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2022 14:15:23 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20220824121523.1291269-32-hdegoede@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20220824121523.1291269-1-hdegoede@redhat.com>

Add an entry summarizing the discussion about dealing with brightness
control on devices with more then 1 internal panel.

The original discussion can be found here:
https://lore.kernel.org/dri-devel/20220517152331.16217-1-hdegoede@redhat.com/

Signed-off-by: Hans de Goede <hdegoede@redhat.com>
---
 Documentation/gpu/todo.rst | 68 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
 1 file changed, 68 insertions(+)

diff --git a/Documentation/gpu/todo.rst b/Documentation/gpu/todo.rst
index 7634c27ac562..393d218e4a0c 100644
--- a/Documentation/gpu/todo.rst
+++ b/Documentation/gpu/todo.rst
@@ -679,6 +679,74 @@ Contact: Sam Ravnborg
 
 Level: Advanced
 
+Brightness handling on devices with multiple internal panels
+============================================================
+
+On x86/ACPI devices there can be multiple backlight firmware interfaces:
+(ACPI) video, vendor specific and others. As well as direct/native (PWM)
+register programming by the KMS driver.
+
+To deal with this backlight drivers used on x86/ACPI call
+acpi_video_get_backlight_type() which has heuristics (+quirks) to select
+which backlight interface to use; and backlight drivers which do not match
+the returned type will not register themselves, so that only one backlight
+device gets registered (in a single GPU setup, see below).
+
+At the moment this more or less assumes that there will only
+be 1 (internal) panel on a system.
+
+On systems with 2 panels this may be a problem, depending on
+what interface acpi_video_get_backlight_type() selects:
+
+1. native: in this case the KMS driver is expected to know which backlight
+   device belongs to which output so everything should just work.
+2. video: this does support controlling multiple backlights, but some work
+   will need to be done to get the output <-> backlight device mapping
+
+The above assumes both panels will require the same backlight interface type.
+Things will break on systems with multiple panels where the 2 panels need
+a different type of control. E.g. one panel needs ACPI video backlight control,
+where as the other is using native backlight control. Currently in this case
+only one of the 2 required backlight devices will get registered, based on
+the acpi_video_get_backlight_type() return value.
+
+If this (theoretical) case ever shows up, then supporting this will need some
+work. A possible solution here would be to pass a device and connector-name
+to acpi_video_get_backlight_type() so that it can deal with this.
+
+Note in a way we already have a case where userspace sees 2 panels,
+in dual GPU laptop setups with a mux. On those systems we may see
+either 2 native backlight devices; or 2 native backlight devices.
+
+Userspace already has code to deal with this by detecting if the related
+panel is active (iow which way the mux between the GPU and the panels
+points) and then uses that backlight device. Userspace here very much
+assumes a single panel though. It picks only 1 of the 2 backlight devices
+and then only uses that one.
+
+Note that all userspace code (that I know off) is currently hardcoded
+to assume a single panel.
+
+Before the recent changes to not register multiple (e.g. video + native)
+/sys/class/backlight devices for a single panel (on a single GPU laptop),
+userspace would see multiple backlight devices all controlling the same
+backlight.
+
+To deal with this userspace had to always picks one preferred device under
+/sys/class/backlight and will ignore the others. So to support brightness
+control on multiple panels userspace will need to be updated too.
+
+There are plans to allow brightness control through the KMS API by adding
+a "display brightness" property to drm_connector objects for panels. This
+solves a number of issues with the /sys/class/backlight API, including not
+being able to map a sysfs backlight device to a specific connector. Any
+userspace changes to add support for brightness control on devices with
+multiple panels really should build on top of this new KMS property.
+
+Contact: Hans de Goede
+
+Level: Advanced
+
 Outside DRM
 ===========
 
-- 
2.37.2


WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Hans de Goede <hdegoede@redhat.com>
To: "Ben Skeggs" <bskeggs@redhat.com>,
	"Karol Herbst" <kherbst@redhat.com>, Lyude <lyude@redhat.com>,
	"Daniel Dadap" <ddadap@nvidia.com>,
	"Maarten Lankhorst" <maarten.lankhorst@linux.intel.com>,
	"Maxime Ripard" <mripard@kernel.org>,
	"Thomas Zimmermann" <tzimmermann@suse.de>,
	"Jani Nikula" <jani.nikula@linux.intel.com>,
	"Joonas Lahtinen" <joonas.lahtinen@linux.intel.com>,
	"Rodrigo Vivi" <rodrigo.vivi@intel.com>,
	"Tvrtko Ursulin" <tvrtko.ursulin@linux.intel.com>,
	"Alex Deucher" <alexander.deucher@amd.com>,
	"Christian König" <christian.koenig@amd.com>,
	Pan@freedesktop.org, Xinhui <Xinhui.Pan@amd.com>,
	"Rafael J . Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org>,
	"Mika Westerberg" <mika.westerberg@linux.intel.com>,
	"Lukas Wunner" <lukas@wunner.de>,
	"Mark Gross" <markgross@kernel.org>,
	"Andy Shevchenko" <andy@kernel.org>
Cc: linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org, David Airlie <airlied@linux.ie>,
	nouveau@lists.freedesktop.org,
	intel-gfx <intel-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org>,
	dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org,
	platform-driver-x86@vger.kernel.org,
	amd-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org, Daniel Vetter <daniel@ffwll.ch>,
	Len Brown <lenb@kernel.org>
Subject: [Intel-gfx] [PATCH v4 31/31] drm/todo: Add entry about dealing with brightness control on devices with > 1 panel
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2022 14:15:23 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20220824121523.1291269-32-hdegoede@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20220824121523.1291269-1-hdegoede@redhat.com>

Add an entry summarizing the discussion about dealing with brightness
control on devices with more then 1 internal panel.

The original discussion can be found here:
https://lore.kernel.org/dri-devel/20220517152331.16217-1-hdegoede@redhat.com/

Signed-off-by: Hans de Goede <hdegoede@redhat.com>
---
 Documentation/gpu/todo.rst | 68 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
 1 file changed, 68 insertions(+)

diff --git a/Documentation/gpu/todo.rst b/Documentation/gpu/todo.rst
index 7634c27ac562..393d218e4a0c 100644
--- a/Documentation/gpu/todo.rst
+++ b/Documentation/gpu/todo.rst
@@ -679,6 +679,74 @@ Contact: Sam Ravnborg
 
 Level: Advanced
 
+Brightness handling on devices with multiple internal panels
+============================================================
+
+On x86/ACPI devices there can be multiple backlight firmware interfaces:
+(ACPI) video, vendor specific and others. As well as direct/native (PWM)
+register programming by the KMS driver.
+
+To deal with this backlight drivers used on x86/ACPI call
+acpi_video_get_backlight_type() which has heuristics (+quirks) to select
+which backlight interface to use; and backlight drivers which do not match
+the returned type will not register themselves, so that only one backlight
+device gets registered (in a single GPU setup, see below).
+
+At the moment this more or less assumes that there will only
+be 1 (internal) panel on a system.
+
+On systems with 2 panels this may be a problem, depending on
+what interface acpi_video_get_backlight_type() selects:
+
+1. native: in this case the KMS driver is expected to know which backlight
+   device belongs to which output so everything should just work.
+2. video: this does support controlling multiple backlights, but some work
+   will need to be done to get the output <-> backlight device mapping
+
+The above assumes both panels will require the same backlight interface type.
+Things will break on systems with multiple panels where the 2 panels need
+a different type of control. E.g. one panel needs ACPI video backlight control,
+where as the other is using native backlight control. Currently in this case
+only one of the 2 required backlight devices will get registered, based on
+the acpi_video_get_backlight_type() return value.
+
+If this (theoretical) case ever shows up, then supporting this will need some
+work. A possible solution here would be to pass a device and connector-name
+to acpi_video_get_backlight_type() so that it can deal with this.
+
+Note in a way we already have a case where userspace sees 2 panels,
+in dual GPU laptop setups with a mux. On those systems we may see
+either 2 native backlight devices; or 2 native backlight devices.
+
+Userspace already has code to deal with this by detecting if the related
+panel is active (iow which way the mux between the GPU and the panels
+points) and then uses that backlight device. Userspace here very much
+assumes a single panel though. It picks only 1 of the 2 backlight devices
+and then only uses that one.
+
+Note that all userspace code (that I know off) is currently hardcoded
+to assume a single panel.
+
+Before the recent changes to not register multiple (e.g. video + native)
+/sys/class/backlight devices for a single panel (on a single GPU laptop),
+userspace would see multiple backlight devices all controlling the same
+backlight.
+
+To deal with this userspace had to always picks one preferred device under
+/sys/class/backlight and will ignore the others. So to support brightness
+control on multiple panels userspace will need to be updated too.
+
+There are plans to allow brightness control through the KMS API by adding
+a "display brightness" property to drm_connector objects for panels. This
+solves a number of issues with the /sys/class/backlight API, including not
+being able to map a sysfs backlight device to a specific connector. Any
+userspace changes to add support for brightness control on devices with
+multiple panels really should build on top of this new KMS property.
+
+Contact: Hans de Goede
+
+Level: Advanced
+
 Outside DRM
 ===========
 
-- 
2.37.2


WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Hans de Goede <hdegoede@redhat.com>
To: "Ben Skeggs" <bskeggs@redhat.com>,
	"Karol Herbst" <kherbst@redhat.com>, Lyude <lyude@redhat.com>,
	"Daniel Dadap" <ddadap@nvidia.com>,
	"Maarten Lankhorst" <maarten.lankhorst@linux.intel.com>,
	"Maxime Ripard" <mripard@kernel.org>,
	"Thomas Zimmermann" <tzimmermann@suse.de>,
	"Jani Nikula" <jani.nikula@linux.intel.com>,
	"Joonas Lahtinen" <joonas.lahtinen@linux.intel.com>,
	"Rodrigo Vivi" <rodrigo.vivi@intel.com>,
	"Tvrtko Ursulin" <tvrtko.ursulin@linux.intel.com>,
	"Alex Deucher" <alexander.deucher@amd.com>,
	"Christian König" <christian.koenig@amd.com>,
	Pan@freedesktop.org, Xinhui <Xinhui.Pan@amd.com>,
	"Rafael J . Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org>,
	"Mika Westerberg" <mika.westerberg@linux.intel.com>,
	"Lukas Wunner" <lukas@wunner.de>,
	"Mark Gross" <markgross@kernel.org>,
	"Andy Shevchenko" <andy@kernel.org>
Cc: linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org, David Airlie <airlied@linux.ie>,
	nouveau@lists.freedesktop.org,
	intel-gfx <intel-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org>,
	dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org,
	platform-driver-x86@vger.kernel.org,
	Hans de Goede <hdegoede@redhat.com>,
	amd-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org, Daniel Vetter <daniel@ffwll.ch>,
	Len Brown <lenb@kernel.org>
Subject: [PATCH v4 31/31] drm/todo: Add entry about dealing with brightness control on devices with > 1 panel
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2022 14:15:23 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20220824121523.1291269-32-hdegoede@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20220824121523.1291269-1-hdegoede@redhat.com>

Add an entry summarizing the discussion about dealing with brightness
control on devices with more then 1 internal panel.

The original discussion can be found here:
https://lore.kernel.org/dri-devel/20220517152331.16217-1-hdegoede@redhat.com/

Signed-off-by: Hans de Goede <hdegoede@redhat.com>
---
 Documentation/gpu/todo.rst | 68 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
 1 file changed, 68 insertions(+)

diff --git a/Documentation/gpu/todo.rst b/Documentation/gpu/todo.rst
index 7634c27ac562..393d218e4a0c 100644
--- a/Documentation/gpu/todo.rst
+++ b/Documentation/gpu/todo.rst
@@ -679,6 +679,74 @@ Contact: Sam Ravnborg
 
 Level: Advanced
 
+Brightness handling on devices with multiple internal panels
+============================================================
+
+On x86/ACPI devices there can be multiple backlight firmware interfaces:
+(ACPI) video, vendor specific and others. As well as direct/native (PWM)
+register programming by the KMS driver.
+
+To deal with this backlight drivers used on x86/ACPI call
+acpi_video_get_backlight_type() which has heuristics (+quirks) to select
+which backlight interface to use; and backlight drivers which do not match
+the returned type will not register themselves, so that only one backlight
+device gets registered (in a single GPU setup, see below).
+
+At the moment this more or less assumes that there will only
+be 1 (internal) panel on a system.
+
+On systems with 2 panels this may be a problem, depending on
+what interface acpi_video_get_backlight_type() selects:
+
+1. native: in this case the KMS driver is expected to know which backlight
+   device belongs to which output so everything should just work.
+2. video: this does support controlling multiple backlights, but some work
+   will need to be done to get the output <-> backlight device mapping
+
+The above assumes both panels will require the same backlight interface type.
+Things will break on systems with multiple panels where the 2 panels need
+a different type of control. E.g. one panel needs ACPI video backlight control,
+where as the other is using native backlight control. Currently in this case
+only one of the 2 required backlight devices will get registered, based on
+the acpi_video_get_backlight_type() return value.
+
+If this (theoretical) case ever shows up, then supporting this will need some
+work. A possible solution here would be to pass a device and connector-name
+to acpi_video_get_backlight_type() so that it can deal with this.
+
+Note in a way we already have a case where userspace sees 2 panels,
+in dual GPU laptop setups with a mux. On those systems we may see
+either 2 native backlight devices; or 2 native backlight devices.
+
+Userspace already has code to deal with this by detecting if the related
+panel is active (iow which way the mux between the GPU and the panels
+points) and then uses that backlight device. Userspace here very much
+assumes a single panel though. It picks only 1 of the 2 backlight devices
+and then only uses that one.
+
+Note that all userspace code (that I know off) is currently hardcoded
+to assume a single panel.
+
+Before the recent changes to not register multiple (e.g. video + native)
+/sys/class/backlight devices for a single panel (on a single GPU laptop),
+userspace would see multiple backlight devices all controlling the same
+backlight.
+
+To deal with this userspace had to always picks one preferred device under
+/sys/class/backlight and will ignore the others. So to support brightness
+control on multiple panels userspace will need to be updated too.
+
+There are plans to allow brightness control through the KMS API by adding
+a "display brightness" property to drm_connector objects for panels. This
+solves a number of issues with the /sys/class/backlight API, including not
+being able to map a sysfs backlight device to a specific connector. Any
+userspace changes to add support for brightness control on devices with
+multiple panels really should build on top of this new KMS property.
+
+Contact: Hans de Goede
+
+Level: Advanced
+
 Outside DRM
 ===========
 
-- 
2.37.2


  parent reply	other threads:[~2022-08-24 12:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 208+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-08-24 12:14 [PATCH v4 00/31] drm/kms: Stop registering multiple /sys/class/backlight devs for a single display Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:14 ` Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:14 ` [Intel-gfx] " Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:14 ` Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:14 ` [Nouveau] " Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:14 ` [PATCH v4 01/31] ACPI: video: Add acpi_video_backlight_use_native() helper Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:14   ` Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:14   ` [Intel-gfx] " Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:14   ` Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:14   ` [Nouveau] " Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:14 ` [PATCH v4 02/31] drm/i915: Don't register backlight when another backlight should be used Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:14   ` Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:14   ` [Intel-gfx] " Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:14   ` Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:14   ` [Nouveau] " Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:50   ` Jani Nikula
2022-08-24 12:50     ` Jani Nikula
2022-08-24 12:50     ` Jani Nikula
2022-08-24 12:50     ` [Intel-gfx] " Jani Nikula
2022-08-24 12:50     ` [Nouveau] " Jani Nikula
2022-08-25  8:54     ` Hans de Goede
2022-08-25  8:54       ` Hans de Goede
2022-08-25  8:54       ` [Intel-gfx] " Hans de Goede
2022-08-25  8:54       ` Hans de Goede
2022-08-25  8:54       ` [Nouveau] " Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:14 ` [PATCH v4 03/31] drm/amdgpu: Don't register backlight when another backlight should be used (v3) Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:14   ` Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:14   ` [Intel-gfx] " Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:14   ` Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:14   ` [Nouveau] " Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:14 ` [PATCH v4 04/31] drm/radeon: " Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:14   ` Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:14   ` Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:14   ` [Intel-gfx] " Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:14   ` [Nouveau] " Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:14 ` [PATCH v4 05/31] drm/nouveau: Don't register backlight when another backlight should be used (v2) Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:14   ` Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:14   ` Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:14   ` [Intel-gfx] " Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:14   ` [Nouveau] " Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 17:41   ` Lyude Paul
2022-08-24 17:41     ` Lyude Paul
2022-08-24 17:41     ` [Intel-gfx] " Lyude Paul
2022-08-24 17:41     ` Lyude Paul
2022-08-24 17:41     ` [Nouveau] " Lyude Paul
2022-08-25  8:49     ` Hans de Goede
2022-08-25  8:49       ` Hans de Goede
2022-08-25  8:49       ` [Intel-gfx] " Hans de Goede
2022-08-25  8:49       ` Hans de Goede
2022-08-25  8:49       ` [Nouveau] " Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:14 ` [PATCH v4 06/31] ACPI: video: Drop backlight_device_get_by_type() call from acpi_video_get_backlight_type() Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:14   ` Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:14   ` Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:14   ` [Intel-gfx] " Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:14   ` [Nouveau] " Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:14 ` [PATCH v4 07/31] ACPI: video: Remove acpi_video_bus from list before tearing it down Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:14   ` Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:14   ` Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:14   ` [Intel-gfx] " Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:14   ` [Nouveau] " Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:15 ` [PATCH v4 08/31] ACPI: video: Simplify acpi_video_unregister_backlight() Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:15   ` Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:15   ` Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:15   ` [Intel-gfx] " Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:15   ` [Nouveau] " Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:15 ` [PATCH v4 09/31] ACPI: video: Make backlight class device registration a separate step (v2) Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:15   ` Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:15   ` Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:15   ` [Nouveau] " Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:15   ` [Intel-gfx] " Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:15 ` [PATCH v4 10/31] ACPI: video: Remove code to unregister acpi_video backlight when a native backlight registers Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:15   ` Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:15   ` Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:15   ` [Nouveau] " Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:15   ` [Intel-gfx] " Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:15 ` [PATCH v4 11/31] drm/i915: Call acpi_video_register_backlight() (v2) Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:15   ` Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:15   ` Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:15   ` [Intel-gfx] " Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:15   ` [Nouveau] " Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:47   ` Jani Nikula
2022-08-24 12:47     ` Jani Nikula
2022-08-24 12:47     ` Jani Nikula
2022-08-24 12:47     ` [Intel-gfx] " Jani Nikula
2022-08-24 12:47     ` [Nouveau] " Jani Nikula
2022-08-24 12:49     ` Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:49       ` Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:49       ` [Intel-gfx] " Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:49       ` Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:49       ` [Nouveau] " Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 13:26       ` Jani Nikula
2022-08-24 13:26         ` Jani Nikula
2022-08-24 13:26         ` [Intel-gfx] " Jani Nikula
2022-08-24 13:26         ` Jani Nikula
2022-08-24 13:26         ` [Nouveau] " Jani Nikula
2022-08-24 12:15 ` [PATCH v4 12/31] drm/nouveau: Register ACPI video backlight when nv_backlight registration fails (v2) Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:15   ` Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:15   ` Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:15   ` [Intel-gfx] " Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:15   ` [Nouveau] " Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 18:11   ` Lyude Paul
2022-08-24 18:11     ` Lyude Paul
2022-08-24 18:11     ` [Intel-gfx] " Lyude Paul
2022-08-24 18:11     ` Lyude Paul
2022-08-24 18:11     ` [Nouveau] " Lyude Paul
2022-08-24 12:15 ` [PATCH v4 13/31] drm/amdgpu: Register ACPI video backlight when skipping amdgpu backlight registration Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:15   ` Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:15   ` Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:15   ` [Intel-gfx] " Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:15   ` [Nouveau] " Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:15 ` [PATCH v4 14/31] drm/radeon: Register ACPI video backlight when skipping radeon " Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:15   ` Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:15   ` [Intel-gfx] " Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:15   ` Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:15   ` [Nouveau] " Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:15 ` [PATCH v4 15/31] platform/x86: nvidia-wmi-ec-backlight: Move fw interface definitions to a header (v2) Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:15   ` Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:15   ` [Intel-gfx] " Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:15   ` Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:15   ` [Nouveau] " Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:15 ` [PATCH v4 16/31] ACPI: video: Refactor acpi_video_get_backlight_type() a bit Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:15   ` Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:15   ` [Intel-gfx] " Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:15   ` Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:15   ` [Nouveau] " Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:15 ` [PATCH v4 17/31] ACPI: video: Add Nvidia WMI EC brightness control detection (v3) Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:15   ` Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:15   ` [Nouveau] " Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:15   ` [Intel-gfx] " Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:15   ` Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:15 ` [PATCH v4 18/31] ACPI: video: Add Apple GMUX brightness control detection Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:15   ` Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:15   ` [Nouveau] " Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:15   ` [Intel-gfx] " Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:15   ` Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:15 ` [PATCH v4 19/31] platform/x86: nvidia-wmi-ec-backlight: Use acpi_video_get_backlight_type() Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:15   ` Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:15   ` [Intel-gfx] " Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:15   ` Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:15   ` [Nouveau] " Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:15 ` [PATCH v4 20/31] platform/x86: apple-gmux: Stop calling acpi/video.h functions Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:15   ` Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:15   ` Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:15   ` [Nouveau] " Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:15   ` [Intel-gfx] " Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:15 ` [PATCH v4 21/31] platform/x86: toshiba_acpi: Stop using acpi_video_set_dmi_backlight_type() Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:15   ` Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:15   ` Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:15   ` [Nouveau] " Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:15   ` [Intel-gfx] " Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:15 ` [PATCH v4 22/31] platform/x86: acer-wmi: Move backlight DMI quirks to acpi/video_detect.c Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:15   ` Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:15   ` [Intel-gfx] " Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:15   ` Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:15   ` [Nouveau] " Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:15 ` [PATCH v4 23/31] platform/x86: asus-wmi: Drop DMI chassis-type check from backlight handling Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:15   ` Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:15   ` Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:15   ` [Intel-gfx] " Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:15   ` [Nouveau] " Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:15 ` [PATCH v4 24/31] platform/x86: asus-wmi: Move acpi_backlight=vendor quirks to ACPI video_detect.c Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:15   ` Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:15   ` [Intel-gfx] " Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:15   ` Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:15   ` [Nouveau] " Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:15 ` [PATCH v4 25/31] platform/x86: asus-wmi: Move acpi_backlight=native " Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:15   ` Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:15   ` [Intel-gfx] " Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:15   ` [Nouveau] " Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:15   ` Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:15 ` [PATCH v4 26/31] platform/x86: samsung-laptop: Move acpi_backlight=[vendor|native] " Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:15   ` Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:15   ` [Nouveau] " Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:15   ` [Intel-gfx] " Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:15   ` Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:15 ` [PATCH v4 27/31] ACPI: video: Remove acpi_video_set_dmi_backlight_type() Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:15   ` Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:15   ` [Intel-gfx] " Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:15   ` Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:15   ` [Nouveau] " Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:15 ` [PATCH v4 28/31] ACPI: video: Drop "Samsung X360" acpi_backlight=native quirk Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:15   ` Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:15   ` [Intel-gfx] " Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:15   ` Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:15   ` [Nouveau] " Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:15 ` [PATCH v4 29/31] ACPI: video: Drop NL5x?U, PF4NU1F and PF5?U?? acpi_backlight=native quirks Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:15   ` Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:15   ` [Intel-gfx] " Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:15   ` Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:15   ` [Nouveau] " Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:15 ` [PATCH v4 30/31] ACPI: video: Fix indentation of video_detect_dmi_table[] entries Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:15   ` Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:15   ` [Intel-gfx] " Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:15   ` Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:15   ` [Nouveau] " Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:15 ` Hans de Goede [this message]
2022-08-24 12:15   ` [PATCH v4 31/31] drm/todo: Add entry about dealing with brightness control on devices with > 1 panel Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:15   ` [Intel-gfx] " Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:15   ` Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 12:15   ` [Nouveau] " Hans de Goede
2022-08-24 18:12   ` Lyude Paul
2022-08-24 18:12     ` Lyude Paul
2022-08-24 18:12     ` [Intel-gfx] " Lyude Paul
2022-08-24 18:12     ` Lyude Paul
2022-08-24 18:12     ` [Nouveau] " Lyude Paul
2022-08-24 22:39 ` [Intel-gfx] ✗ Fi.CI.CHECKPATCH: warning for drm/kms: Stop registering multiple /sys/class/backlight devs for a single display Patchwork
2022-08-24 23:00 ` [Intel-gfx] ✓ Fi.CI.BAT: success " Patchwork
2022-08-26 18:35 ` [Intel-gfx] ✗ Fi.CI.IGT: failure " Patchwork

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