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From: "Michal Koutný" <mkoutny@suse.com>
To: Yosry Ahmed <yosryahmed@google.com>
Cc: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>,
	Shakeel Butt <shakeelb@google.com>,
	Roman Gushchin <roman.gushchin@linux.dev>,
	Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, cgroups@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH] mm: memcontrol: don't account swap failures not due to cgroup limits
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2023 17:18:43 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20230206161843.GD21332@blackbody.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJD7tkaCpD0LpzdA+NsZj2WK=iQCLn7RS9qc7K53Qonxhp4TgA@mail.gmail.com>

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On Thu, Feb 02, 2023 at 10:30:40AM -0800, Yosry Ahmed <yosryahmed@google.com> wrote:
> > b) Only count cgroup swap events when they are actually due to a
> >    cgroup's own limit. Exclude failures that are due to physical swap
> >    shortage or other system-level conditions (like !THP_SWAP). Also
> >    count them at the level where the limit is configured, which may be
> >    above the local cgroup that holds the page-to-be-swapped.
> >
> >    This is in line with how memory.swap.high, memory.high and
> >    memory.max events are counted.
> >
> >    However, it's a change in documented behavior.
> 
> This option makes sense to me, but I can't speak to the change of
> documented behavior. However, looking at the code, it seems like if we do this
> the "max" & "fail" counters become effectively the same. "fail" would
> not provide much value then.
> 
> I wonder if it makes sense to have both, and clarify that "fail" -
> "max" would be non-limit based failures (e.g. ran out of swap space),
> or would this cause confusion as to whether those non-limit failures
> were transient (THP fallback) or eventual?

I somewhat second this.

Perhaps, could the patch (and arguments) be split in two:
1) count .max events on respective limit's level (other limits consistency),
2) redefine (remove?) memory.swap.fail events?

Michal

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From: "Michal Koutný" <mkoutny-IBi9RG/b67k@public.gmane.org>
To: Yosry Ahmed <yosryahmed-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Johannes Weiner <hannes-druUgvl0LCNAfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko-IBi9RG/b67k@public.gmane.org>,
	Shakeel Butt <shakeelb-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	Roman Gushchin
	<roman.gushchin-fxUVXftIFDnyG1zEObXtfA@public.gmane.org>,
	Tejun Heo <tj-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-mm-Bw31MaZKKs3YtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org,
	cgroups-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	Christian Brauner
	<brauner-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH] mm: memcontrol: don't account swap failures not due to cgroup limits
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2023 17:18:43 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20230206161843.GD21332@blackbody.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJD7tkaCpD0LpzdA+NsZj2WK=iQCLn7RS9qc7K53Qonxhp4TgA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>

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On Thu, Feb 02, 2023 at 10:30:40AM -0800, Yosry Ahmed <yosryahmed-hpIqsD4AKldhl2p70BpVqQ@public.gmane.orgm> wrote:
> > b) Only count cgroup swap events when they are actually due to a
> >    cgroup's own limit. Exclude failures that are due to physical swap
> >    shortage or other system-level conditions (like !THP_SWAP). Also
> >    count them at the level where the limit is configured, which may be
> >    above the local cgroup that holds the page-to-be-swapped.
> >
> >    This is in line with how memory.swap.high, memory.high and
> >    memory.max events are counted.
> >
> >    However, it's a change in documented behavior.
> 
> This option makes sense to me, but I can't speak to the change of
> documented behavior. However, looking at the code, it seems like if we do this
> the "max" & "fail" counters become effectively the same. "fail" would
> not provide much value then.
> 
> I wonder if it makes sense to have both, and clarify that "fail" -
> "max" would be non-limit based failures (e.g. ran out of swap space),
> or would this cause confusion as to whether those non-limit failures
> were transient (THP fallback) or eventual?

I somewhat second this.

Perhaps, could the patch (and arguments) be split in two:
1) count .max events on respective limit's level (other limits consistency),
2) redefine (remove?) memory.swap.fail events?

Michal

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  reply	other threads:[~2023-02-06 16:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-02-02 15:56 [RFC PATCH] mm: memcontrol: don't account swap failures not due to cgroup limits Johannes Weiner
2023-02-02 15:56 ` Johannes Weiner
2023-02-02 18:27 ` Shakeel Butt
2023-02-02 18:27   ` Shakeel Butt
2023-02-02 18:30 ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-02-02 18:30   ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-02-06 16:18   ` Michal Koutný [this message]
2023-02-06 16:18     ` Michal Koutný
2023-02-07 16:54     ` Johannes Weiner
2023-02-07 16:54       ` Johannes Weiner
2023-02-07 19:09   ` Johannes Weiner
2023-02-07 19:09     ` Johannes Weiner
2023-02-07 19:21     ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-02-07 19:21       ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-02-07 22:14       ` Roman Gushchin
2023-02-07 22:14         ` Roman Gushchin
2023-02-03 19:00 ` Roman Gushchin
2023-02-03 19:00   ` Roman Gushchin
2023-02-03 19:07   ` Yang Shi
2023-02-03 19:07     ` Yang Shi
2023-02-03 19:19     ` Roman Gushchin
2023-02-03 19:19       ` Roman Gushchin
2023-02-07 16:52       ` Johannes Weiner
2023-02-07 16:52         ` Johannes Weiner

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