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From: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>
To: Linus Walleij <linus.walleij@linaro.org>
Cc: Mark Brown <broonie@opensource.wolfsonmicro.com>,
	Magnus Damm <magnus.damm@gmail.com>, Felipe Balbi <balbi@ti.com>,
	Dmitry Torokhov <dmitry.torokhov@gmail.com>,
	Benoit Cousson <b-cousson@ti.com>,
	Sourav Poddar <sourav.poddar@ti.com>,
	tony@atomide.com, linux-omap@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	devicetree-discuss@lists.ozlabs.org,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-input@vger.kernel.org, Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	Grant Likely <grant.likely@secretlab.ca>
Subject: Re: [PATCHv2] Input: omap4-keypad: Add pinctrl support
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 23:57:41 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <2288906.HJczx1g3gj@vostro.rjw.lan> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CACRpkdac=ztY0vXQ8Mu6H8fiAO4aFSSF-A6O1Q==zKOKEsJegw@mail.gmail.com>

On Tuesday, October 30, 2012 10:51:11 PM Linus Walleij wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 7:37 PM, Mark Brown
> <broonie@opensource.wolfsonmicro.com> wrote:
> 
> > More seriously the amount of time we seem to have been spending recently
> > on changes which end up requiring us to go through essentially every
> > driver and add code to them (often several times) doesn't seem like
> > we're doing a good job here.
> 
> If this is your main concern you should be made aware that there
> are people out there planning to supplant the existing DT probe paths
> that are now being added to each and every ARM-related driver
> with an ACPI probe path as ARM servers come into the picture.

That's correct.

> > pinctrl is really noticable because it's
> > new but it's not the only thing.  As a subsystem maintainer this code
> > just makes me want to add new subsystem features to pull the code out of
> > drivers but obviously that's not something that should be being done at
> > the subsystem level.
> 
> We did manage to drag the power/voltage domain per se out
> of the AMBA bus, and recommend that people (like us) do that
> business using the power domains.
> 
> I think most people (including OMAP) have bought
> into the concept of using the runtime PM framework and power
> domains to control the power domain switches.
> 
> It's this wider concept of using the loose concept "PM resource
> domains" to control also clocks and pins that is at stake, and so
> far the runtime PM core people (Rafael and Magnus) has not said
> much so I think we need some kind of indication from them as to
> what is to happen, long-term, with drivers handling their own clocks
> and pins. Should it be centralized or not? If it's to be centralized it
> needs to become a large piece of infrastructure refactoring and
> needs the attention of Linaro and the like to happen.

Well, I personally think it should be centralized somehow.  I'm not quite
sure how to achieve that, though.

Thanks,
Rafael


-- 
I speak only for myself.
Rafael J. Wysocki, Intel Open Source Technology Center.

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: rjw@sisk.pl (Rafael J. Wysocki)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCHv2] Input: omap4-keypad: Add pinctrl support
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 23:57:41 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <2288906.HJczx1g3gj@vostro.rjw.lan> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CACRpkdac=ztY0vXQ8Mu6H8fiAO4aFSSF-A6O1Q==zKOKEsJegw@mail.gmail.com>

On Tuesday, October 30, 2012 10:51:11 PM Linus Walleij wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 7:37 PM, Mark Brown
> <broonie@opensource.wolfsonmicro.com> wrote:
> 
> > More seriously the amount of time we seem to have been spending recently
> > on changes which end up requiring us to go through essentially every
> > driver and add code to them (often several times) doesn't seem like
> > we're doing a good job here.
> 
> If this is your main concern you should be made aware that there
> are people out there planning to supplant the existing DT probe paths
> that are now being added to each and every ARM-related driver
> with an ACPI probe path as ARM servers come into the picture.

That's correct.

> > pinctrl is really noticable because it's
> > new but it's not the only thing.  As a subsystem maintainer this code
> > just makes me want to add new subsystem features to pull the code out of
> > drivers but obviously that's not something that should be being done at
> > the subsystem level.
> 
> We did manage to drag the power/voltage domain per se out
> of the AMBA bus, and recommend that people (like us) do that
> business using the power domains.
> 
> I think most people (including OMAP) have bought
> into the concept of using the runtime PM framework and power
> domains to control the power domain switches.
> 
> It's this wider concept of using the loose concept "PM resource
> domains" to control also clocks and pins that is at stake, and so
> far the runtime PM core people (Rafael and Magnus) has not said
> much so I think we need some kind of indication from them as to
> what is to happen, long-term, with drivers handling their own clocks
> and pins. Should it be centralized or not? If it's to be centralized it
> needs to become a large piece of infrastructure refactoring and
> needs the attention of Linaro and the like to happen.

Well, I personally think it should be centralized somehow.  I'm not quite
sure how to achieve that, though.

Thanks,
Rafael


-- 
I speak only for myself.
Rafael J. Wysocki, Intel Open Source Technology Center.

  reply	other threads:[~2012-10-30 22:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 162+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-10-22 13:13 [PATCHv2] Input: omap4-keypad: Add pinctrl support Sourav Poddar
2012-10-22 13:13 ` Sourav Poddar
2012-10-22 13:13 ` Sourav Poddar
2012-10-22 15:50 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2012-10-22 15:50   ` Dmitry Torokhov
2012-10-23  9:13   ` Linus Walleij
2012-10-23  9:13     ` Linus Walleij
2012-10-23  9:35     ` Benoit Cousson
2012-10-23  9:35       ` Benoit Cousson
2012-10-23  9:35       ` Benoit Cousson
2012-10-23 10:04       ` Linus Walleij
2012-10-23 10:04         ` Linus Walleij
2012-10-23 10:03         ` Felipe Balbi
2012-10-23 10:03           ` Felipe Balbi
2012-10-23 10:03           ` Felipe Balbi
2012-10-23 10:23           ` Thomas Petazzoni
2012-10-23 10:23             ` Thomas Petazzoni
2012-10-23 10:29             ` Linus Walleij
2012-10-23 10:29               ` Linus Walleij
2012-10-23 10:29               ` Felipe Balbi
2012-10-23 10:29                 ` Felipe Balbi
2012-10-23 10:29                 ` Felipe Balbi
2012-10-23 10:45                 ` Linus Walleij
2012-10-23 10:45                   ` Linus Walleij
2012-10-23 10:42                   ` Felipe Balbi
2012-10-23 10:42                     ` Felipe Balbi
2012-10-23 10:42                     ` Felipe Balbi
2012-10-23 11:11                   ` Thomas Petazzoni
2012-10-23 11:11                     ` Thomas Petazzoni
2012-10-23 17:02           ` Mitch Bradley
2012-10-23 17:02             ` Mitch Bradley
2012-10-23 17:20             ` Felipe Balbi
2012-10-23 17:20               ` Felipe Balbi
2012-10-23 17:20               ` Felipe Balbi
2012-10-23 17:51               ` Mitch Bradley
2012-10-23 17:51                 ` Mitch Bradley
2012-10-23 17:51                 ` Felipe Balbi
2012-10-23 17:51                   ` Felipe Balbi
2012-10-23 17:51                   ` Felipe Balbi
2012-10-23  9:18   ` Benoit Cousson
2012-10-23  9:18     ` Benoit Cousson
2012-10-23  9:18     ` Benoit Cousson
2012-10-23 20:02     ` Dmitry Torokhov
2012-10-23 20:02       ` Dmitry Torokhov
2012-10-24  8:37       ` Felipe Balbi
2012-10-24  8:37         ` Felipe Balbi
2012-10-24  8:37         ` Felipe Balbi
2012-10-24 16:14         ` Dmitry Torokhov
2012-10-24 16:14           ` Dmitry Torokhov
2012-10-24 16:51           ` Linus Walleij
2012-10-24 16:51             ` Linus Walleij
2012-10-24 17:28             ` Dmitry Torokhov
2012-10-24 17:28               ` Dmitry Torokhov
2012-10-24 18:58               ` Felipe Balbi
2012-10-24 18:58                 ` Felipe Balbi
2012-10-24 18:58                 ` Felipe Balbi
2012-10-25 20:59                 ` Mark Brown
2012-10-25 20:59                   ` Mark Brown
2012-10-25 20:59                   ` Mark Brown
2012-10-26  6:20                   ` Felipe Balbi
2012-10-26  6:20                     ` Felipe Balbi
2012-10-26  6:20                     ` Felipe Balbi
2012-10-26 16:03                     ` Mark Brown
2012-10-26 16:03                       ` Mark Brown
2012-10-29 19:49                       ` Felipe Balbi
2012-10-29 19:49                         ` Felipe Balbi
2012-10-29 19:49                         ` Felipe Balbi
2012-10-30 11:24                         ` Mark Brown
2012-10-30 11:24                           ` Mark Brown
2012-10-30 11:49                           ` Felipe Balbi
2012-10-30 11:49                             ` Felipe Balbi
2012-10-30 11:49                             ` Felipe Balbi
2012-10-30 14:07                             ` Mark Brown
2012-10-30 14:07                               ` Mark Brown
2012-10-30 14:16                               ` Linus Walleij
2012-10-30 14:16                                 ` Linus Walleij
2012-10-30 14:54                                 ` Mark Brown
2012-10-30 14:54                                   ` Mark Brown
2012-10-30 15:16                               ` Felipe Balbi
2012-10-30 15:16                                 ` Felipe Balbi
2012-10-30 15:16                                 ` Felipe Balbi
2012-10-30 15:58                                 ` Mark Brown
2012-10-30 15:58                                   ` Mark Brown
2012-10-30 17:25                                   ` Felipe Balbi
2012-10-30 17:25                                     ` Felipe Balbi
2012-10-30 17:25                                     ` Felipe Balbi
2012-10-30 18:20                                     ` Dmitry Torokhov
2012-10-30 18:20                                       ` Dmitry Torokhov
2012-10-30 18:48                                       ` Felipe Balbi
2012-10-30 18:48                                         ` Felipe Balbi
2012-10-30 18:48                                         ` Felipe Balbi
2012-10-30 18:37                                     ` Mark Brown
2012-10-30 18:37                                       ` Mark Brown
2012-10-30 21:51                                       ` Linus Walleij
2012-10-30 21:51                                         ` Linus Walleij
2012-10-30 22:57                                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki [this message]
2012-10-30 22:57                                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-02 18:26                                         ` Mark Brown
2012-11-02 18:26                                           ` Mark Brown
2012-10-30 14:11                             ` Linus Walleij
2012-10-30 14:11                               ` Linus Walleij
2012-10-28 20:12               ` Linus Walleij
2012-10-28 20:12                 ` Linus Walleij
2012-10-30 11:34                 ` Mark Brown
2012-10-30 11:34                   ` Mark Brown
2012-10-30 11:34                   ` Mark Brown
2012-10-30 14:02                   ` Linus Walleij
2012-10-30 14:02                     ` Linus Walleij
2012-10-30 14:37                     ` Mark Brown
2012-10-30 14:37                       ` Mark Brown
2012-10-31 20:10                     ` Kevin Hilman
2012-10-31 20:10                       ` Kevin Hilman
     [not found]                       ` <87obji8kta.fsf-1D3HCaltpLuhEniVeURVKkEOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-01  8:54                         ` Linus Walleij
2012-11-01  8:54                           ` Linus Walleij
2012-11-01  8:56                           ` Fwd: " Linus Walleij
2012-11-01  8:56                             ` Linus Walleij
2012-11-01 11:42                             ` Kevin Hilman
2012-11-01 11:42                               ` Kevin Hilman
2012-11-01 13:22                               ` Linus Walleij
2012-11-01 13:22                                 ` Linus Walleij
2012-11-01 12:07                           ` Mark Brown
2012-11-01 12:07                             ` Mark Brown
2012-11-01 14:01                             ` Linus Walleij
2012-11-01 14:01                               ` Linus Walleij
2012-11-01 14:19                               ` Mark Brown
2012-11-01 14:19                                 ` Mark Brown
2012-11-11 12:32                               ` Linus Walleij
2012-11-11 12:32                                 ` Linus Walleij
2012-10-31 13:19                 ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2012-10-31 13:19                   ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2012-10-24 16:52           ` Felipe Balbi
2012-10-24 16:52             ` Felipe Balbi
2012-10-24 16:52             ` Felipe Balbi
2012-10-24 17:13             ` Linus Walleij
2012-10-24 17:13               ` Linus Walleij
2012-10-24 17:34             ` Dmitry Torokhov
2012-10-24 17:34               ` Dmitry Torokhov
2012-10-24 17:46           ` Benoit Cousson
2012-10-24 17:46             ` Benoit Cousson
2012-10-24 17:46             ` Benoit Cousson
2012-10-24 12:54       ` Linus Walleij
2012-10-24 12:54         ` Linus Walleij
2012-10-24 16:18         ` Dmitry Torokhov
2012-10-24 16:18           ` Dmitry Torokhov
2012-10-24 16:57           ` Felipe Balbi
2012-10-24 16:57             ` Felipe Balbi
2012-10-24 16:57             ` Felipe Balbi
2012-10-24 17:18             ` Linus Walleij
2012-10-24 17:18               ` Linus Walleij
2012-10-24 17:58             ` Dmitry Torokhov
2012-10-24 17:58               ` Dmitry Torokhov
2012-10-24 19:10               ` Felipe Balbi
2012-10-24 19:10                 ` Felipe Balbi
2012-10-24 19:10                 ` Felipe Balbi
2012-10-24 19:38                 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2012-10-24 19:38                   ` Dmitry Torokhov
2012-10-24 19:38                   ` Dmitry Torokhov
2012-10-24 19:51                   ` Felipe Balbi
2012-10-24 19:51                     ` Felipe Balbi
2012-10-24 19:51                     ` Felipe Balbi
2012-10-24 17:01           ` Linus Walleij
2012-10-24 17:01             ` Linus Walleij

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