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From: Alistair Popple <apopple@nvidia.com>
To: John Hubbard <jhubbard@nvidia.com>
Cc: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>, <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	<nouveau@lists.freedesktop.org>, <bskeggs@redhat.com>,
	<akpm@linux-foundation.org>, <linux-doc@vger.kernel.org>,
	<linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, <kvm-ppc@vger.kernel.org>,
	<dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org>, <rcampbell@nvidia.com>,
	<jglisse@redhat.com>, <hch@infradead.org>, <daniel@ffwll.ch>,
	<willy@infradead.org>, Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 3/8] mm/rmap: Split try_to_munlock from try_to_unmap
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2021 15:15:47 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <23784464.epyy5R1Yul@nvdebian> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <b4b11c59-975d-26c7-043a-6acddff78dfd@nvidia.com>

On Wednesday, 31 March 2021 2:56:38 PM AEDT John Hubbard wrote:
> On 3/30/21 3:56 PM, Alistair Popple wrote:
> ...
> >> +1 for renaming "munlock*" items to "mlock*", where applicable. good 
grief.
> > 
> > At least the situation was weird enough to prompt further investigation :)
> > 
> > Renaming to mlock* doesn't feel like the right solution to me either 
though. I
> > am not sure if you saw me responding to myself earlier but I am thinking
> > renaming try_to_munlock() -> page_mlocked() and try_to_munlock_one() ->
> > page_mlock_one() might be better. Thoughts?
> > 
> 
> Quite confused by this naming idea. Because: try_to_munlock() returns
> void, so a boolean-style name such as "page_mlocked()" is already not a
> good fit.
> 
> Even more important, though, is that try_to_munlock() is mlock-ing the
> page, right? Is there some subtle point I'm missing? It really is doing
> an mlock to the best of my knowledge here. Although the kerneldoc
> comment for try_to_munlock() seems questionable too:

It's mlocking the page if it turns out it still needs to be locked after 
unlocking it. But I don't think you're missing anything.

> /**
>   * try_to_munlock - try to munlock a page
>   * @page: the page to be munlocked
>   *
>   * Called from munlock code.  Checks all of the VMAs mapping the page
>   * to make sure nobody else has this page mlocked. The page will be
>   * returned with PG_mlocked cleared if no other vmas have it mlocked.
>   */
> 
> ...because I don't see where, in *this* routine, it clears PG_mlocked!
>
> Obviously we agree that a routine should be named based on what it does,
> rather than on who calls it. So I think that still leads to:
> 
>       try_to_munlock() --> try_to_mlock()
>       try_to_munlock_one() --> try_to_mlock_one()
> 
> Sorry if I'm missing something really obvious.

Nope, I confused things somewhat by blindly quoting the documentation whilst 
forgetting that try_to_munlock() returns void rather than a bool.

> > This is actually inspired from a suggestion in Documentation/vm/
unevictable-
> > lru.rst which warns about this problem:
> > 
> > try_to_munlock() Reverse Map Scan
> > ---------------------------------
> > 
> > .. warning::
> >     [!] TODO/FIXME: a better name might be page_mlocked() - analogous to 
the
> >     page_referenced() reverse map walker.
> > 
> 
> This is actually rather bad advice! page_referenced() returns an
> int-that-is-really-a-boolean, whereas try_to_munlock(), at least as it
> stands now, returns void. Usually when I'm writing a TODO item, I'm in a
> hurry, and I think that's what probably happened here, too. :)

So I think we're in agreement. The naming is bad and the advice in the 
documentation is also questionable :-)

Thanks for the thoughts, I will re-send this with naming and documentation 
updates.

> >> Although, it seems reasonable to tack such renaming patches onto the tail
> > end
> >> of this series. But whatever works.
> > 
> > Unless anyone objects strongly I will roll the rename into this patch as 
there
> > is only one caller of try_to_munlock.
> > 
> >   - Alistair
> > 
> 
> No objections here. :)
> 
> thanks,
> 





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From: Alistair Popple <apopple@nvidia.com>
To: John Hubbard <jhubbard@nvidia.com>
Cc: rcampbell@nvidia.com, willy@infradead.org, daniel@ffwll.ch,
	linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, nouveau@lists.freedesktop.org,
	dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	kvm-ppc@vger.kernel.org, hch@infradead.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	bskeggs@redhat.com, Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
Subject: Re: [Nouveau] [PATCH v7 3/8] mm/rmap: Split try_to_munlock from try_to_unmap
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2021 15:15:47 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <23784464.epyy5R1Yul@nvdebian> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <b4b11c59-975d-26c7-043a-6acddff78dfd@nvidia.com>

On Wednesday, 31 March 2021 2:56:38 PM AEDT John Hubbard wrote:
> On 3/30/21 3:56 PM, Alistair Popple wrote:
> ...
> >> +1 for renaming "munlock*" items to "mlock*", where applicable. good 
grief.
> > 
> > At least the situation was weird enough to prompt further investigation :)
> > 
> > Renaming to mlock* doesn't feel like the right solution to me either 
though. I
> > am not sure if you saw me responding to myself earlier but I am thinking
> > renaming try_to_munlock() -> page_mlocked() and try_to_munlock_one() ->
> > page_mlock_one() might be better. Thoughts?
> > 
> 
> Quite confused by this naming idea. Because: try_to_munlock() returns
> void, so a boolean-style name such as "page_mlocked()" is already not a
> good fit.
> 
> Even more important, though, is that try_to_munlock() is mlock-ing the
> page, right? Is there some subtle point I'm missing? It really is doing
> an mlock to the best of my knowledge here. Although the kerneldoc
> comment for try_to_munlock() seems questionable too:

It's mlocking the page if it turns out it still needs to be locked after 
unlocking it. But I don't think you're missing anything.

> /**
>   * try_to_munlock - try to munlock a page
>   * @page: the page to be munlocked
>   *
>   * Called from munlock code.  Checks all of the VMAs mapping the page
>   * to make sure nobody else has this page mlocked. The page will be
>   * returned with PG_mlocked cleared if no other vmas have it mlocked.
>   */
> 
> ...because I don't see where, in *this* routine, it clears PG_mlocked!
>
> Obviously we agree that a routine should be named based on what it does,
> rather than on who calls it. So I think that still leads to:
> 
>       try_to_munlock() --> try_to_mlock()
>       try_to_munlock_one() --> try_to_mlock_one()
> 
> Sorry if I'm missing something really obvious.

Nope, I confused things somewhat by blindly quoting the documentation whilst 
forgetting that try_to_munlock() returns void rather than a bool.

> > This is actually inspired from a suggestion in Documentation/vm/
unevictable-
> > lru.rst which warns about this problem:
> > 
> > try_to_munlock() Reverse Map Scan
> > ---------------------------------
> > 
> > .. warning::
> >     [!] TODO/FIXME: a better name might be page_mlocked() - analogous to 
the
> >     page_referenced() reverse map walker.
> > 
> 
> This is actually rather bad advice! page_referenced() returns an
> int-that-is-really-a-boolean, whereas try_to_munlock(), at least as it
> stands now, returns void. Usually when I'm writing a TODO item, I'm in a
> hurry, and I think that's what probably happened here, too. :)

So I think we're in agreement. The naming is bad and the advice in the 
documentation is also questionable :-)

Thanks for the thoughts, I will re-send this with naming and documentation 
updates.

> >> Although, it seems reasonable to tack such renaming patches onto the tail
> > end
> >> of this series. But whatever works.
> > 
> > Unless anyone objects strongly I will roll the rename into this patch as 
there
> > is only one caller of try_to_munlock.
> > 
> >   - Alistair
> > 
> 
> No objections here. :)
> 
> thanks,
> 




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From: Alistair Popple <apopple@nvidia.com>
To: John Hubbard <jhubbard@nvidia.com>
Cc: rcampbell@nvidia.com, willy@infradead.org,
	linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, nouveau@lists.freedesktop.org,
	dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	kvm-ppc@vger.kernel.org, hch@infradead.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	jglisse@redhat.com, bskeggs@redhat.com,
	Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 3/8] mm/rmap: Split try_to_munlock from try_to_unmap
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2021 15:15:47 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <23784464.epyy5R1Yul@nvdebian> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <b4b11c59-975d-26c7-043a-6acddff78dfd@nvidia.com>

On Wednesday, 31 March 2021 2:56:38 PM AEDT John Hubbard wrote:
> On 3/30/21 3:56 PM, Alistair Popple wrote:
> ...
> >> +1 for renaming "munlock*" items to "mlock*", where applicable. good 
grief.
> > 
> > At least the situation was weird enough to prompt further investigation :)
> > 
> > Renaming to mlock* doesn't feel like the right solution to me either 
though. I
> > am not sure if you saw me responding to myself earlier but I am thinking
> > renaming try_to_munlock() -> page_mlocked() and try_to_munlock_one() ->
> > page_mlock_one() might be better. Thoughts?
> > 
> 
> Quite confused by this naming idea. Because: try_to_munlock() returns
> void, so a boolean-style name such as "page_mlocked()" is already not a
> good fit.
> 
> Even more important, though, is that try_to_munlock() is mlock-ing the
> page, right? Is there some subtle point I'm missing? It really is doing
> an mlock to the best of my knowledge here. Although the kerneldoc
> comment for try_to_munlock() seems questionable too:

It's mlocking the page if it turns out it still needs to be locked after 
unlocking it. But I don't think you're missing anything.

> /**
>   * try_to_munlock - try to munlock a page
>   * @page: the page to be munlocked
>   *
>   * Called from munlock code.  Checks all of the VMAs mapping the page
>   * to make sure nobody else has this page mlocked. The page will be
>   * returned with PG_mlocked cleared if no other vmas have it mlocked.
>   */
> 
> ...because I don't see where, in *this* routine, it clears PG_mlocked!
>
> Obviously we agree that a routine should be named based on what it does,
> rather than on who calls it. So I think that still leads to:
> 
>       try_to_munlock() --> try_to_mlock()
>       try_to_munlock_one() --> try_to_mlock_one()
> 
> Sorry if I'm missing something really obvious.

Nope, I confused things somewhat by blindly quoting the documentation whilst 
forgetting that try_to_munlock() returns void rather than a bool.

> > This is actually inspired from a suggestion in Documentation/vm/
unevictable-
> > lru.rst which warns about this problem:
> > 
> > try_to_munlock() Reverse Map Scan
> > ---------------------------------
> > 
> > .. warning::
> >     [!] TODO/FIXME: a better name might be page_mlocked() - analogous to 
the
> >     page_referenced() reverse map walker.
> > 
> 
> This is actually rather bad advice! page_referenced() returns an
> int-that-is-really-a-boolean, whereas try_to_munlock(), at least as it
> stands now, returns void. Usually when I'm writing a TODO item, I'm in a
> hurry, and I think that's what probably happened here, too. :)

So I think we're in agreement. The naming is bad and the advice in the 
documentation is also questionable :-)

Thanks for the thoughts, I will re-send this with naming and documentation 
updates.

> >> Although, it seems reasonable to tack such renaming patches onto the tail
> > end
> >> of this series. But whatever works.
> > 
> > Unless anyone objects strongly I will roll the rename into this patch as 
there
> > is only one caller of try_to_munlock.
> > 
> >   - Alistair
> > 
> 
> No objections here. :)
> 
> thanks,
> 




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From: Alistair Popple <apopple@nvidia.com>
To: John Hubbard <jhubbard@nvidia.com>
Cc: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, nouveau@lists.freedesktop.org,
	bskeggs@redhat.com, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
	linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	kvm-ppc@vger.kernel.org, dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org,
	rcampbell@nvidia.com, jglisse@redhat.com, hch@infradead.org,
	daniel@ffwll.ch, willy@infradead.org,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 3/8] mm/rmap: Split try_to_munlock from try_to_unmap
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2021 04:15:47 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <23784464.epyy5R1Yul@nvdebian> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <b4b11c59-975d-26c7-043a-6acddff78dfd@nvidia.com>

On Wednesday, 31 March 2021 2:56:38 PM AEDT John Hubbard wrote:
> On 3/30/21 3:56 PM, Alistair Popple wrote:
> ...
> >> +1 for renaming "munlock*" items to "mlock*", where applicable. good 
grief.
> > 
> > At least the situation was weird enough to prompt further investigation :)
> > 
> > Renaming to mlock* doesn't feel like the right solution to me either 
though. I
> > am not sure if you saw me responding to myself earlier but I am thinking
> > renaming try_to_munlock() -> page_mlocked() and try_to_munlock_one() ->
> > page_mlock_one() might be better. Thoughts?
> > 
> 
> Quite confused by this naming idea. Because: try_to_munlock() returns
> void, so a boolean-style name such as "page_mlocked()" is already not a
> good fit.
> 
> Even more important, though, is that try_to_munlock() is mlock-ing the
> page, right? Is there some subtle point I'm missing? It really is doing
> an mlock to the best of my knowledge here. Although the kerneldoc
> comment for try_to_munlock() seems questionable too:

It's mlocking the page if it turns out it still needs to be locked after 
unlocking it. But I don't think you're missing anything.

> /**
>   * try_to_munlock - try to munlock a page
>   * @page: the page to be munlocked
>   *
>   * Called from munlock code.  Checks all of the VMAs mapping the page
>   * to make sure nobody else has this page mlocked. The page will be
>   * returned with PG_mlocked cleared if no other vmas have it mlocked.
>   */
> 
> ...because I don't see where, in *this* routine, it clears PG_mlocked!
>
> Obviously we agree that a routine should be named based on what it does,
> rather than on who calls it. So I think that still leads to:
> 
>       try_to_munlock() --> try_to_mlock()
>       try_to_munlock_one() --> try_to_mlock_one()
> 
> Sorry if I'm missing something really obvious.

Nope, I confused things somewhat by blindly quoting the documentation whilst 
forgetting that try_to_munlock() returns void rather than a bool.

> > This is actually inspired from a suggestion in Documentation/vm/
unevictable-
> > lru.rst which warns about this problem:
> > 
> > try_to_munlock() Reverse Map Scan
> > ---------------------------------
> > 
> > .. warning::
> >     [!] TODO/FIXME: a better name might be page_mlocked() - analogous to 
the
> >     page_referenced() reverse map walker.
> > 
> 
> This is actually rather bad advice! page_referenced() returns an
> int-that-is-really-a-boolean, whereas try_to_munlock(), at least as it
> stands now, returns void. Usually when I'm writing a TODO item, I'm in a
> hurry, and I think that's what probably happened here, too. :)

So I think we're in agreement. The naming is bad and the advice in the 
documentation is also questionable :-)

Thanks for the thoughts, I will re-send this with naming and documentation 
updates.

> >> Although, it seems reasonable to tack such renaming patches onto the tail
> > end
> >> of this series. But whatever works.
> > 
> > Unless anyone objects strongly I will roll the rename into this patch as 
there
> > is only one caller of try_to_munlock.
> > 
> >   - Alistair
> > 
> 
> No objections here. :)
> 
> thanks,
> 




  parent reply	other threads:[~2021-03-31  4:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 124+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-03-26  0:07 [PATCH v7 0/8] Add support for SVM atomics in Nouveau Alistair Popple
2021-03-26  0:07 ` Alistair Popple
2021-03-26  0:07 ` Alistair Popple
2021-03-26  0:07 ` [Nouveau] " Alistair Popple
2021-03-26  0:07 ` [PATCH v7 1/8] mm: Remove special swap entry functions Alistair Popple
2021-03-26  0:07   ` Alistair Popple
2021-03-26  0:07   ` Alistair Popple
2021-03-26  0:07   ` [Nouveau] " Alistair Popple
2021-03-30 18:38   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-03-30 18:38     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-03-30 18:38     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-03-30 18:38     ` [Nouveau] " Jason Gunthorpe
2021-03-26  0:07 ` [PATCH v7 2/8] mm/swapops: Rework swap entry manipulation code Alistair Popple
2021-03-26  0:07   ` Alistair Popple
2021-03-26  0:07   ` Alistair Popple
2021-03-26  0:07   ` [Nouveau] " Alistair Popple
2021-03-26  0:08 ` [PATCH v7 3/8] mm/rmap: Split try_to_munlock from try_to_unmap Alistair Popple
2021-03-26  0:08   ` Alistair Popple
2021-03-26  0:08   ` Alistair Popple
2021-03-26  0:08   ` [Nouveau] " Alistair Popple
2021-03-30 18:49   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-03-30 18:49     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-03-30 18:49     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-03-30 18:49     ` [Nouveau] " Jason Gunthorpe
2021-03-30 22:09     ` Alistair Popple
2021-03-30 22:09       ` Alistair Popple
2021-03-30 22:09       ` Alistair Popple
2021-03-30 22:09       ` [Nouveau] " Alistair Popple
2021-03-30 22:16       ` Alistair Popple
2021-03-30 22:16         ` Alistair Popple
2021-03-30 22:16         ` Alistair Popple
2021-03-30 22:16         ` [Nouveau] " Alistair Popple
2021-03-30 22:24       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-03-30 22:24         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-03-30 22:24         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-03-30 22:24         ` [Nouveau] " Jason Gunthorpe
2021-03-30 22:43         ` John Hubbard
2021-03-30 22:43           ` John Hubbard
2021-03-30 22:43           ` John Hubbard
2021-03-30 22:43           ` [Nouveau] " John Hubbard
2021-03-30 22:56           ` Alistair Popple
2021-03-30 22:56             ` Alistair Popple
2021-03-30 22:56             ` Alistair Popple
2021-03-30 22:56             ` [Nouveau] " Alistair Popple
2021-03-31  3:56             ` John Hubbard
2021-03-31  3:56               ` John Hubbard
2021-03-31  3:56               ` John Hubbard
2021-03-31  3:56               ` [Nouveau] " John Hubbard
2021-03-31  4:09               ` John Hubbard
2021-03-31  4:09                 ` John Hubbard
2021-03-31  4:09                 ` John Hubbard
2021-03-31  4:09                 ` [Nouveau] " John Hubbard
2021-03-31  4:15               ` Alistair Popple [this message]
2021-03-31  4:15                 ` Alistair Popple
2021-03-31  4:15                 ` Alistair Popple
2021-03-31  4:15                 ` [Nouveau] " Alistair Popple
2021-03-31 11:57                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-03-31 11:57                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-03-31 11:57                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-03-31 11:57                   ` [Nouveau] " Jason Gunthorpe
2021-04-01  4:36                   ` Alistair Popple
2021-04-01  4:36                     ` Alistair Popple
2021-04-01  4:36                     ` Alistair Popple
2021-04-01  4:36                     ` [Nouveau] " Alistair Popple
2021-04-01 19:21                     ` Shakeel Butt
2021-04-01 19:21                       ` Shakeel Butt
2021-04-01 19:21                       ` Shakeel Butt
2021-04-01 19:21                       ` [Nouveau] " Shakeel Butt
2021-03-26  0:08 ` [PATCH v7 4/8] mm/rmap: Split migration into its own function Alistair Popple
2021-03-26  0:08   ` Alistair Popple
2021-03-26  0:08   ` Alistair Popple
2021-03-26  0:08   ` [Nouveau] " Alistair Popple
2021-03-26  0:08 ` [PATCH v7 5/8] mm: Device exclusive memory access Alistair Popple
2021-03-26  0:08   ` Alistair Popple
2021-03-26  0:08   ` Alistair Popple
2021-03-26  0:08   ` [Nouveau] " Alistair Popple
2021-03-30 19:32   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-03-30 19:32     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-03-30 19:32     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-03-30 19:32     ` [Nouveau] " Jason Gunthorpe
2021-03-31 12:59     ` Alistair Popple
2021-03-31 12:59       ` Alistair Popple
2021-03-31 12:59       ` Alistair Popple
2021-03-31 12:59       ` [Nouveau] " Alistair Popple
2021-03-31 13:18       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-03-31 13:18         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-03-31 13:18         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-03-31 13:18         ` [Nouveau] " Jason Gunthorpe
2021-03-31 13:27         ` Alistair Popple
2021-03-31 13:27           ` Alistair Popple
2021-03-31 13:27           ` Alistair Popple
2021-03-31 13:27           ` [Nouveau] " Alistair Popple
2021-03-31 13:46           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-03-31 13:46             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-03-31 13:46             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-03-31 13:46             ` [Nouveau] " Jason Gunthorpe
2021-04-01  0:45             ` Alistair Popple
2021-04-01  0:45               ` Alistair Popple
2021-04-01  0:45               ` Alistair Popple
2021-04-01  0:45               ` [Nouveau] " Alistair Popple
2021-04-01  0:48               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-04-01  0:48                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-04-01  0:48                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-04-01  0:48                 ` [Nouveau] " Jason Gunthorpe
2021-04-01  2:20                 ` Alistair Popple
2021-04-01  2:20                   ` Alistair Popple
2021-04-01  2:20                   ` Alistair Popple
2021-04-01  2:20                   ` [Nouveau] " Alistair Popple
2021-04-01 11:55                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-04-01 11:55                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-04-01 11:55                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-04-01 11:55                     ` [Nouveau] " Jason Gunthorpe
2021-03-26  0:08 ` [PATCH v7 6/8] mm: Selftests for exclusive device memory Alistair Popple
2021-03-26  0:08   ` Alistair Popple
2021-03-26  0:08   ` Alistair Popple
2021-03-26  0:08   ` [Nouveau] " Alistair Popple
2021-03-26  0:08 ` [PATCH v7 7/8] nouveau/svm: Refactor nouveau_range_fault Alistair Popple
2021-03-26  0:08   ` Alistair Popple
2021-03-26  0:08   ` Alistair Popple
2021-03-26  0:08   ` [Nouveau] " Alistair Popple
2021-03-26  0:08 ` [PATCH v7 8/8] nouveau/svm: Implement atomic SVM access Alistair Popple
2021-03-26  0:08   ` Alistair Popple
2021-03-26  0:08   ` Alistair Popple
2021-03-26  0:08   ` [Nouveau] " Alistair Popple

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