[linux-lvm] is lvmcache really ready?

* [linux-lvm] is lvmcache really ready?
@ 2016-04-23 16:50 Xen
  2016-04-23 18:10 ` Dax Kelson
  2016-04-25 13:49 ` Joe Thornber
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Xen @ 2016-04-23 16:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: linux-lvm

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I am interested in using lvmcache but I hear the performance is very 
meagre, that was a thread from 2014 that I was reading. But a recent 
blog post said the same:

https://www.rath.org/ssd-caching-under-linux.html

This guy tries first lvmcache and performance is not noticable. Then he 
uses bcache and it works like a charm.

He was using regular partitions on regular disks. Nothing raid going on. 
But he tried to increase boot speeds and did not notice anything.

Setting the promote adjustments to zero made no difference.

Is this feature defunct? I mean, is this really a usable and functional 
thing? From what it seems, I think not.

I'll have a small mSATA SSD to test with shortly, but... if this thing 
is so bugged that it keeps reading from the origin device anyway, 
there's not much point to it.

The reason I'm wanting to use it at this point is to speed up booting 
(although unimportant) but mostly to make a more snappy system while 
running, ie. for instance just application startup.

At the same time that would decouple my system from my data by using 
that small SSD for the system (by way of the cache) such that system 
seeks do not any longer effect the performance of other operations on 
the device (that also holds that 'data').

It don't mind having writeback for this because any (small) delay in 
writing to the origin would work well with this strategy.

Some IO is buffered anyway and you might think with 8GB of RAM you could 
have some IO buffering normally, but a cache is something that buffers 
between reboots, so to speak.

I'm simply trying to see what improvements I can get with LVM.

That aside, I think it is annoying that on Debian systems and Ubuntu and 
Kubuntu, thin-provisioning-tools is still not included by default, and 
you also need to create that initramfs hook to have the files included 
into the initramfs. Then, Grub2 also does not support thin LVM volumes 
at all and although you can boot fine on a thin root, grub-probe will 
not be able to process these volumes, complain, and exit.

Personally I think snapshotting on thin is much more usable, if that's 
what you want to use. No necessity to allocate sufficiently-sized 
volumes in advance. I tried to ask on #lvm but they were not helpful.

I don't really get why LVM is being so neglected other than the 
popularity of btrfs these days.

LVM is much more modular and very easy to work with normally. Commands 
make sense for the most part and the only thing that is missing is a 
nice gui.

(I was even writing... some snapshot to incremental backup script at 
some point).

LVM is one of the saner things still existing in Linux from my 
perspective, even if it doesn't feel perfect, but that is more due to 
the fact that you are using software emulation of partitions in a way 
that kinda tries to "avoid" having to do it in "firmware" -- in that 
sense that you are trying to do what regular partitions can't.

Someone called this "deferred design" I believe.

Because of this fact I believe it cannot really actually fully work out 
(for me) I believe particularly when it comes to cross-platformness and 
encryption as, in the same way, I prefer a firmware/bios environment for 
managing RAID arrays rather than just software.

At the same time with UEFI et al. my opinion is just the reverse: let 
the boot loader please be software in some way. Even if it's a menu. At 
least you can adjust your software, the firmware you might not have a 
say about.

Deferred design, when Linux tools do everything a regular computer 
firmware environment should. And then they created UEFI and tried to 
take stuff away that does belong to the operating system.

While not creating anything that would work better except for GPT disks.

I just want to ask a question though about thin LVM, but I will ask in 
another email.

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