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From: Arnd Bergmann <arnd-r2nGTMty4D4@public.gmane.org>
To: Will Deacon <will.deacon-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Joerg Roedel <jroedel-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>,
	"iommu-cunTk1MwBs9QetFLy7KEm3xJsTq8ys+cHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org"
	<iommu-cunTk1MwBs9QetFLy7KEm3xJsTq8ys+cHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org>,
	Thierry Reding
	<thierry.reding-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	Laurent Pinchart
	<laurent.pinchart-ryLnwIuWjnjg/C1BVhZhaw@public.gmane.org>,
	Varun Sethi <Varun.Sethi-KZfg59tc24xl57MIdRCFDg@public.gmane.org>,
	David Woodhouse <dwmw2-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>,
	"linux-arm-kernel-IAPFreCvJWM7uuMidbF8XUB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org"
	<linux-arm-kernel-IAPFreCvJWM7uuMidbF8XUB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 6/8] dma-mapping: detect and configure IOMMU in of_dma_configure
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 13:08:15 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <2447060.c0PHi7y3cP@wuerfel> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20141215180933.GW20738-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>

On Monday 15 December 2014 18:09:33 Will Deacon wrote:
> > Using a single domain is a bit of a waste of resources in my case, so an 
> > evolution would be to create four domains and assign devices to them based on 
> > a policy. The policy could be fixed (round-robin for instance), or 
> > configurable (possibly through DT, although it's really a policy, not a 
> > hardware description).

I think in case of the ARM SMMU, we concluded that the grouping is indeed
best done in DT, because of there is no good algorithmic way to come
up with a set of bitmasks that make up a proper grouping into domains.
 
> I think having one default domain, which is home to all of the masters that
> don't have any DMA restrictions is a good use of the hardware. That then
> leaves you with three domains to cover VFIO, devices with DMA limitations
> and potentially device isolation (if we had a way to describe that).

Yes, I agree. There are also a number of degrees to which one might want
to enable IOMMUs at boot time:

- force-disable: use swiotlb only and turn off all IOMMUs or program them
  with a static linear mapping if they cannot be disabled in hardware
- soft-enable: use IOMMUs only for devices whose dma-mask does not cover
  all the physical memory. This would provide the highest performance
- force-enable: use the IOMMU for any device that has an 'iommus' property,
  to catch any wild DMA pointer accesses.
- secure-enable: like force-enable, but use as many separate domains as
  possible to provide isolation between devices as well.

	Arnd

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: arnd@arndb.de (Arnd Bergmann)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH v6 6/8] dma-mapping: detect and configure IOMMU in of_dma_configure
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 13:08:15 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <2447060.c0PHi7y3cP@wuerfel> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20141215180933.GW20738@arm.com>

On Monday 15 December 2014 18:09:33 Will Deacon wrote:
> > Using a single domain is a bit of a waste of resources in my case, so an 
> > evolution would be to create four domains and assign devices to them based on 
> > a policy. The policy could be fixed (round-robin for instance), or 
> > configurable (possibly through DT, although it's really a policy, not a 
> > hardware description).

I think in case of the ARM SMMU, we concluded that the grouping is indeed
best done in DT, because of there is no good algorithmic way to come
up with a set of bitmasks that make up a proper grouping into domains.
 
> I think having one default domain, which is home to all of the masters that
> don't have any DMA restrictions is a good use of the hardware. That then
> leaves you with three domains to cover VFIO, devices with DMA limitations
> and potentially device isolation (if we had a way to describe that).

Yes, I agree. There are also a number of degrees to which one might want
to enable IOMMUs at boot time:

- force-disable: use swiotlb only and turn off all IOMMUs or program them
  with a static linear mapping if they cannot be disabled in hardware
- soft-enable: use IOMMUs only for devices whose dma-mask does not cover
  all the physical memory. This would provide the highest performance
- force-enable: use the IOMMU for any device that has an 'iommus' property,
  to catch any wild DMA pointer accesses.
- secure-enable: like force-enable, but use as many separate domains as
  possible to provide isolation between devices as well.

	Arnd

  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-12-16 12:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 220+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-12-01 16:57 [PATCH v6 0/8] Introduce automatic DMA configuration for IOMMU masters Will Deacon
2014-12-01 16:57 ` Will Deacon
     [not found] ` <1417453034-21379-1-git-send-email-will.deacon-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2014-12-01 16:57   ` [PATCH v6 1/8] iommu: provide early initialisation hook for IOMMU drivers Will Deacon
2014-12-01 16:57     ` Will Deacon
     [not found]     ` <1417453034-21379-2-git-send-email-will.deacon-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2014-12-01 23:54       ` Rob Herring
2014-12-01 23:54         ` Rob Herring
     [not found]         ` <CAL_JsqKHvh9KSTYrrs1Pts5Kg=8dA1V6NiW57_2vdDH173qQGg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-12-02  9:23           ` Marek Szyprowski
2014-12-02  9:23             ` Marek Szyprowski
     [not found]             ` <547D84F4.8030204-Sze3O3UU22JBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2014-12-02  9:36               ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-12-02  9:36                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-12-02  9:43                 ` Will Deacon
2014-12-02  9:43                   ` Will Deacon
2014-12-02 12:05                 ` Thierry Reding
2014-12-02 12:05                   ` Thierry Reding
2014-12-02 14:16           ` Grant Likely
2014-12-02 14:16             ` Grant Likely
     [not found]             ` <CACxGe6vyMkyE9ZRj_FQzi19ESEo7OV_RQoVV65xBYpdQV8cRGQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-12-03 19:57               ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-12-03 19:57                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-12-04  9:49                 ` Will Deacon
2014-12-04  9:49                   ` Will Deacon
     [not found]                   ` <20141204094953.GA13224-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2014-12-04 10:10                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-12-04 10:10                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-12-04 10:21                       ` Will Deacon
2014-12-04 10:21                         ` Will Deacon
     [not found]                         ` <20141204102127.GF13224-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2014-12-04 11:19                           ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-12-04 11:19                             ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-12-04 11:25                             ` Grant Likely
2014-12-04 11:25                               ` Grant Likely
     [not found]                               ` <CACxGe6v4ZVHHGcc3Lhp8+FgKakyCkJFRAT2ufj-3DGWa=wmGkA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-12-04 11:52                                 ` Will Deacon
2014-12-04 11:52                                   ` Will Deacon
     [not found]                                   ` <20141204115254.GF14519-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2014-12-04 12:43                                     ` Grant Likely
2014-12-04 12:43                                       ` Grant Likely
2014-12-04 12:26                 ` Robin Murphy
2014-12-04 12:26                   ` Robin Murphy
     [not found]                   ` <54805312.6000402-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2014-12-04 12:42                     ` Grant Likely
2014-12-04 12:42                       ` Grant Likely
     [not found]                       ` <CACxGe6uR5J4Cjdh_xYhBPoQRgeYwHPv5=AnuRmQKSD3yZrMK9Q-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-12-04 13:43                         ` Robin Murphy
2014-12-04 13:43                           ` Robin Murphy
     [not found]                           ` <54806504.20507-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2014-12-04 13:58                             ` Grant Likely
2014-12-04 13:58                               ` Grant Likely
2014-12-04 14:49                             ` Thierry Reding
2014-12-04 14:49                               ` Thierry Reding
     [not found]                               ` <20141204144925.GB31464-AwZRO8vwLAwmlAP/+Wk3EA@public.gmane.org>
2014-12-04 17:42                                 ` Robin Murphy
2014-12-04 17:42                                   ` Robin Murphy
     [not found]                                   ` <54809D09.2050406-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2014-12-04 17:58                                     ` Grant Likely
2014-12-04 17:58                                       ` Grant Likely
     [not found]                                       ` <CACxGe6tpFHdP1-5NWiNVAqzXx-diN1xfRbu0AQDyVJ6AU_4RXg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-12-04 19:42                                         ` Robin Murphy
2014-12-04 19:42                                           ` Robin Murphy
     [not found]                                           ` <5480B924.2010205-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2014-12-05 12:10                                             ` Will Deacon
2014-12-05 12:10                                               ` Will Deacon
     [not found]                                               ` <20141205121037.GI1630-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2014-12-05 12:21                                                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-12-05 12:21                                                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-12-05 12:35                                                 ` Robin Murphy
2014-12-05 12:35                                                   ` Robin Murphy
     [not found]                                                   ` <5481A688.4030606-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2014-12-05 13:06                                                     ` Grant Likely
2014-12-05 13:06                                                       ` Grant Likely
     [not found]                                                       ` <CACxGe6vppOQj-hJnqEEtLwDuSr4bzcbTgEFj8=x4ULu=yxswpg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-12-05 13:18                                                         ` Thierry Reding
2014-12-05 13:18                                                           ` Thierry Reding
     [not found]                                                           ` <20141205131815.GA18747-AwZRO8vwLAwmlAP/+Wk3EA@public.gmane.org>
2014-12-05 13:21                                                             ` Grant Likely
2014-12-05 13:21                                                               ` Grant Likely
     [not found]                                                               ` <CACxGe6vqstoCBiJ7TLvhNt+40TUJRB2ORoRKKtorhM-ETHXu0A-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-12-05 13:31                                                                 ` Thierry Reding
2014-12-05 13:31                                                                   ` Thierry Reding
2014-12-05 13:49                                                             ` Marek Szyprowski
2014-12-05 13:49                                                               ` Marek Szyprowski
2014-12-04 12:51                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-12-04 12:51                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-12-02 10:30         ` Pantelis Antoniou
2014-12-02 10:30           ` Pantelis Antoniou
2014-12-01 16:57   ` [PATCH v6 2/8] dma-mapping: replace set_arch_dma_coherent_ops with arch_setup_dma_ops Will Deacon
2014-12-01 16:57     ` Will Deacon
     [not found]     ` <1417453034-21379-3-git-send-email-will.deacon-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2014-12-01 22:58       ` Rob Herring
2014-12-01 22:58         ` Rob Herring
     [not found]         ` <CAL_JsqLtN3euwXHM4BzYxkXsgE=Dmn05aXzL+kr_8x23voneZA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-12-02  9:16           ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-12-02  9:16             ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-12-01 16:57   ` [PATCH v6 3/8] iommu: add new iommu_ops callback for adding an OF device Will Deacon
2014-12-01 16:57     ` Will Deacon
2014-12-01 16:57   ` [PATCH v6 4/8] iommu: provide helper function to configure an IOMMU for an of master Will Deacon
2014-12-01 16:57     ` Will Deacon
2014-12-01 16:57   ` [PATCH v6 5/8] iommu: fix initialization without 'add_device' callback Will Deacon
2014-12-01 16:57     ` Will Deacon
2014-12-01 16:57   ` [PATCH v6 6/8] dma-mapping: detect and configure IOMMU in of_dma_configure Will Deacon
2014-12-01 16:57     ` Will Deacon
     [not found]     ` <1417453034-21379-7-git-send-email-will.deacon-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2014-12-01 23:06       ` Rob Herring
2014-12-01 23:06         ` Rob Herring
2014-12-10 14:52       ` Rob Clark
2014-12-10 14:52         ` Rob Clark
     [not found]         ` <CAF6AEGs6dZauq1QxY_OqBPUs0xHYjjGTi+H7Vm-mNvJtmTAHRA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-12-10 15:08           ` Will Deacon
2014-12-10 15:08             ` Will Deacon
     [not found]             ` <20141210150853.GH23639-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2014-12-10 15:54               ` Robin Murphy
2014-12-10 15:54                 ` Robin Murphy
     [not found]                 ` <54886CA2.3040406-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2014-12-10 15:56                   ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-12-10 15:56                     ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-12-14 15:49               ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-12-14 15:49                 ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-12-14 15:59                 ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-12-14 15:59                   ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-12-15 17:10                   ` Will Deacon
2014-12-15 17:10                     ` Will Deacon
2014-12-15 16:40                 ` Will Deacon
2014-12-15 16:40                   ` Will Deacon
     [not found]                   ` <20141215164041.GN20738-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2014-12-15 17:16                     ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-12-15 17:16                       ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-12-15 18:09                       ` Will Deacon
2014-12-15 18:09                         ` Will Deacon
     [not found]                         ` <20141215180933.GW20738-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2014-12-16 12:08                           ` Arnd Bergmann [this message]
2014-12-16 12:08                             ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-12-17 12:09                             ` Will Deacon
2014-12-17 12:09                               ` Will Deacon
     [not found]                               ` <20141217120948.GB870-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2014-12-17 14:15                                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-12-17 14:15                                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-12-17 14:45                                   ` Will Deacon
2014-12-17 14:45                                     ` Will Deacon
2014-12-17 15:35                                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-12-17 15:35                                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-12-17 17:17                                       ` Will Deacon
2014-12-17 17:17                                         ` Will Deacon
     [not found]                                         ` <20141217171752.GB30307-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2014-12-17 19:48                                           ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-12-17 19:48                                             ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-12-21 10:04                                             ` Will Deacon
2014-12-21 10:04                                               ` Will Deacon
     [not found]                                               ` <20141221100451.GA23242-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2014-12-22 13:36                                                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-12-22 13:36                                                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-01-07 18:57                                                   ` Will Deacon
2015-01-07 18:57                                                     ` Will Deacon
     [not found]                                                     ` <20150107185704.GV7485-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-07 19:29                                                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-01-07 19:29                                                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-01-08 10:53                                                         ` Will Deacon
2015-01-08 10:53                                                           ` Will Deacon
2014-12-17 14:27                                 ` Robin Murphy
2014-12-17 14:27                                   ` Robin Murphy
     [not found]                                   ` <549192D2.10008-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2014-12-17 15:01                                     ` Will Deacon
2014-12-17 15:01                                       ` Will Deacon
     [not found]                                       ` <20141217150158.GF870-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2014-12-17 15:38                                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-12-17 15:38                                           ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-12-17 17:20                                           ` Will Deacon
2014-12-17 17:20                                             ` Will Deacon
2014-12-17  0:05                           ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-12-17  0:05                             ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-12-14 15:51       ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-12-14 15:51         ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-12-15 11:32         ` Will Deacon
2014-12-15 11:32           ` Will Deacon
     [not found]           ` <20141215113252.GH20738-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2014-12-17  0:19             ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-12-17  0:19               ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-12-17 11:14               ` Will Deacon
2014-12-17 11:14                 ` Will Deacon
2014-12-01 16:57   ` [PATCH v6 7/8] arm: call iommu_init before of_platform_populate Will Deacon
2014-12-01 16:57     ` Will Deacon
2014-12-01 16:57   ` [PATCH v6 8/8] arm: dma-mapping: plumb our iommu mapping ops into arch_setup_dma_ops Will Deacon
2014-12-01 16:57     ` Will Deacon
     [not found]     ` <1417453034-21379-9-git-send-email-will.deacon-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-14  9:00       ` Alexandre Courbot
2015-01-14  9:00         ` Alexandre Courbot
     [not found]         ` <54B63028.3090701-DDmLM1+adcrQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-14 10:46           ` Will Deacon
2015-01-14 10:46             ` Will Deacon
2015-01-14 13:51             ` Heiko Stübner
2015-01-14 13:51               ` Heiko Stübner
2015-01-14 19:17               ` Will Deacon
2015-01-14 19:17                 ` Will Deacon
     [not found]                 ` <20150114191749.GL4050-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-15  8:30                   ` Thierry Reding
2015-01-15  8:30                     ` Thierry Reding
2015-01-15 11:13                     ` Will Deacon
2015-01-15 11:13                       ` Will Deacon
     [not found]             ` <20150114104610.GC4050-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-15  2:57               ` Alexandre Courbot
2015-01-15  2:57                 ` Alexandre Courbot
2015-01-15  8:28               ` Thierry Reding
2015-01-15  8:28                 ` Thierry Reding
2015-01-15 11:12                 ` Will Deacon
2015-01-15 11:12                   ` Will Deacon
     [not found]                   ` <20150115111211.GF23475-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-15 23:18                     ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-01-15 23:18                       ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-01-18  6:54                       ` Alexandre Courbot
2015-01-18  6:54                         ` Alexandre Courbot
     [not found]                         ` <54BB58AA.5070407-DDmLM1+adcrQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-18 11:18                           ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-01-18 11:18                             ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-01-19 11:12                             ` Will Deacon
2015-01-19 11:12                               ` Will Deacon
     [not found]                               ` <20150119111202.GD32131-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-19 11:34                                 ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-01-19 11:34                                   ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-01-19 12:31                                   ` Thierry Reding
2015-01-19 12:31                                     ` Thierry Reding
     [not found]                                     ` <20150119123058.GA7312-AwZRO8vwLAwmlAP/+Wk3EA@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-20 15:14                                       ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-01-20 15:14                                         ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-01-20 15:19                                         ` Will Deacon
2015-01-20 15:19                                           ` Will Deacon
     [not found]                                           ` <20150120151910.GD1549-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-20 15:21                                             ` Will Deacon
2015-01-20 15:21                                               ` Will Deacon
2015-01-20 15:35                                             ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-01-20 15:35                                               ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-01-19 12:43                             ` Thierry Reding
2015-01-19 12:43                               ` Thierry Reding
     [not found]                               ` <20150119124305.GC7312-AwZRO8vwLAwmlAP/+Wk3EA@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-19 12:50                                 ` Will Deacon
2015-01-19 12:50                                   ` Will Deacon
     [not found]                                   ` <20150119125051.GI32131-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-19 13:36                                     ` Thierry Reding
2015-01-19 13:36                                       ` Thierry Reding
     [not found]                                       ` <20150119133633.GA23778-AwZRO8vwLAwmlAP/+Wk3EA@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-20 13:50                                         ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-01-20 13:50                                           ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-01-19 16:13                             ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-01-19 16:13                               ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-01-20 16:41                               ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-01-20 16:41                                 ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-01-19 12:36                       ` Thierry Reding
2015-01-19 12:36                         ` Thierry Reding
     [not found]                         ` <20150119123623.GB7312-AwZRO8vwLAwmlAP/+Wk3EA@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-19 15:52                           ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-01-19 15:52                             ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-01-19 16:21                             ` Thierry Reding
2015-01-19 16:21                               ` Thierry Reding
     [not found]                               ` <20150119162111.GA7751-AwZRO8vwLAwmlAP/+Wk3EA@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-19 17:02                                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-01-19 17:02                                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-01-20 13:47                                 ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-01-20 13:47                                   ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-01-19 12:49                       ` Thierry Reding
2015-01-19 12:49                         ` Thierry Reding
     [not found]                         ` <20150119124934.GD7312-AwZRO8vwLAwmlAP/+Wk3EA@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-20 14:05                           ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-01-20 14:05                             ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-12-05  7:12   ` [PATCH v6 0/8] Introduce automatic DMA configuration for IOMMU masters Olof Johansson
2014-12-05  7:12     ` Olof Johansson
     [not found]     ` <CAOesGMg9BpL3AyDjuAvH_H5fOm-uga+_CZuJZ5p8zpHpJLg0qA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-12-05 12:11       ` Will Deacon
2014-12-05 12:11         ` Will Deacon
2014-12-15  0:24   ` [PATCH/RFC] iommu/ipmmu-vmsa: Use DT-based instantiation Laurent Pinchart
2014-12-15  0:24     ` Laurent Pinchart

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