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From: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>
To: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	"Yang, Weijiang" <weijiang.yang@intel.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	peterz@infradead.org, Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
Cc: Chao Gao <chao.gao@intel.com>,
	john.allen@amd.com, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, rick.p.edgecombe@intel.com,
	binbin.wu@linux.intel.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 09/19] KVM:x86: Make guest supervisor states as non-XSAVE managed
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2023 14:00:35 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <2597a87b-1248-b8ce-ce60-94074bc67ea4@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <8396a9f6-fbc4-1e62-b6a9-3df568fd15a2@redhat.com>

On 8/10/23 08:15, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
> On 8/10/23 16:29, Dave Hansen wrote:
>> What actual OSes need this support?
> 
> I think Xen could use it when running nested.  But KVM cannot expose
> support for CET in CPUID, and at the same time fake support for
> MSR_IA32_PL{0,1,2}_SSP (e.g. inject a #GP if it's ever written to a
> nonzero value).
> 
> I suppose we could invent our own paravirtualized CPUID bit for
> "supervisor IBT works but supervisor SHSTK doesn't".  Linux could check
> that but I don't think it's a good idea.
> 
> So... do, or do not.  There is no try. :)

Ahh, that makes sense.  This is needed for implementing the
*architecture*, not because some OS actually wants to _do_ it.

...
>> In a perfect world, we'd just allocate space for CET_S in the KVM
>> fpstates.  The core kernel fpstates would have
>> XSTATE_BV[13]==XCOMP_BV[13]==0.  An XRSTOR of the core kernel fpstates
>> would just set CET_S to its init state.
> 
> Yep.  I don't think it's a lot of work to implement.  The basic idea as
> you point out below is something like
> 
> #define XFEATURE_MASK_USER_DYNAMIC XFEATURE_MASK_XTILE_DATA
> #define XFEATURE_MASK_USER_OPTIONAL \
>     (XFEATURE_MASK_DYNAMIC | XFEATURE_MASK_CET_KERNEL)
> 
> where XFEATURE_MASK_USER_DYNAMIC is used for xfd-related tasks
> (including the ARCH_GET_XCOMP_SUPP arch_prctl) but everything else uses
> XFEATURE_MASK_USER_OPTIONAL.
> 
> KVM would enable the feature by hand when allocating the guest fpstate.
> Disabled features would be cleared from EDX:EAX when calling
> XSAVE/XSAVEC/XSAVES.

OK, so let's _try_ this perfect-world solution.  KVM fpstates get
fpstate->xfeatures[13] set, but no normal task fpstates have that bit
set.  Most of the infrastructure should be there to handle this without
much fuss because it _should_ be looking at generic things like
fpstate->size and fpstate->features.

But who knows what trouble this will turn up.  It could get nasty and
not worth it, but we should at least try it.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2023-08-28 21:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 82+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-08-03  4:27 [PATCH v5 00/19] Enable CET Virtualization Yang Weijiang
2023-08-03  4:27 ` [PATCH v5 01/19] x86/cpufeatures: Add CPU feature flags for shadow stacks Yang Weijiang
2023-08-03  4:27 ` [PATCH v5 02/19] x86/fpu/xstate: Introduce CET MSR and XSAVES supervisor states Yang Weijiang
2023-08-03  4:27 ` [PATCH v5 03/19] KVM:x86: Report XSS as to-be-saved if there are supported features Yang Weijiang
2023-08-03  4:27 ` [PATCH v5 04/19] KVM:x86: Refresh CPUID on write to guest MSR_IA32_XSS Yang Weijiang
2023-08-04 16:02   ` Sean Christopherson
2023-08-04 21:43     ` Paolo Bonzini
2023-08-09  3:11       ` Yang, Weijiang
2023-08-08 14:20     ` Yang, Weijiang
2023-08-04 18:27   ` Sean Christopherson
2023-08-07  6:55     ` Paolo Bonzini
2023-08-09  8:56     ` Yang, Weijiang
2023-08-10  0:01       ` Paolo Bonzini
2023-08-10  1:12         ` Yang, Weijiang
2023-08-03  4:27 ` [PATCH v5 05/19] KVM:x86: Initialize kvm_caps.supported_xss Yang Weijiang
2023-08-04 18:45   ` Sean Christopherson
2023-08-08 15:08     ` Yang, Weijiang
2023-08-03  4:27 ` [PATCH v5 06/19] KVM:x86: Load guest FPU state when access XSAVE-managed MSRs Yang Weijiang
2023-08-03  4:27 ` [PATCH v5 07/19] KVM:x86: Add fault checks for guest CR4.CET setting Yang Weijiang
2023-08-03  9:07   ` Chao Gao
2023-08-03  4:27 ` [PATCH v5 08/19] KVM:x86: Report KVM supported CET MSRs as to-be-saved Yang Weijiang
2023-08-03 10:39   ` Chao Gao
2023-08-04  3:13     ` Yang, Weijiang
2023-08-04  5:51       ` Chao Gao
2023-08-04 18:51         ` Sean Christopherson
2023-08-04 22:01           ` Paolo Bonzini
2023-08-08 15:16           ` Yang, Weijiang
2023-08-06  8:54         ` Yang, Weijiang
2023-08-04 18:55   ` Sean Christopherson
2023-08-08 15:26     ` Yang, Weijiang
2023-08-04 21:47   ` Paolo Bonzini
2023-08-09  3:14     ` Yang, Weijiang
2023-08-03  4:27 ` [PATCH v5 09/19] KVM:x86: Make guest supervisor states as non-XSAVE managed Yang Weijiang
2023-08-03 11:15   ` Chao Gao
2023-08-04  3:26     ` Yang, Weijiang
2023-08-04 20:45       ` Sean Christopherson
2023-08-04 20:59         ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-04 21:32         ` Paolo Bonzini
2023-08-09  2:51           ` Yang, Weijiang
2023-08-09  2:39         ` Yang, Weijiang
2023-08-10  9:29         ` Yang, Weijiang
2023-08-10 14:29           ` Dave Hansen
2023-08-10 15:15             ` Paolo Bonzini
2023-08-10 15:37               ` Sean Christopherson
2023-08-11  3:03               ` Yang, Weijiang
2023-08-28 21:00               ` Dave Hansen [this message]
2023-08-29  7:05                 ` Yang, Weijiang
2023-08-03  4:27 ` [PATCH v5 10/19] KVM:VMX: Introduce CET VMCS fields and control bits Yang Weijiang
2023-08-03  4:27 ` [PATCH v5 11/19] KVM:VMX: Emulate read and write to CET MSRs Yang Weijiang
2023-08-04  5:14   ` Chao Gao
2023-08-04 21:27     ` Sean Christopherson
2023-08-04 21:45       ` Paolo Bonzini
2023-08-04 22:21         ` Sean Christopherson
2023-08-07  7:03           ` Paolo Bonzini
2023-08-06  8:44       ` Yang, Weijiang
2023-08-07  7:00         ` Paolo Bonzini
2023-08-04  8:28   ` Chao Gao
2023-08-09  7:12     ` Yang, Weijiang
2023-08-04 21:40   ` Paolo Bonzini
2023-08-09  3:05     ` Yang, Weijiang
2023-08-03  4:27 ` [PATCH v5 12/19] KVM:x86: Save and reload SSP to/from SMRAM Yang Weijiang
2023-08-04  7:53   ` Chao Gao
2023-08-04 15:25     ` Sean Christopherson
2023-08-06  9:14       ` Yang, Weijiang
2023-08-03  4:27 ` [PATCH v5 13/19] KVM:VMX: Set up interception for CET MSRs Yang Weijiang
2023-08-04  8:16   ` Chao Gao
2023-08-06  9:22     ` Yang, Weijiang
2023-08-07  1:16       ` Chao Gao
2023-08-09  6:11         ` Yang, Weijiang
2023-08-03  4:27 ` [PATCH v5 14/19] KVM:VMX: Set host constant supervisor states to VMCS fields Yang Weijiang
2023-08-04  8:23   ` Chao Gao
2023-08-03  4:27 ` [PATCH v5 15/19] KVM:x86: Optimize CET supervisor SSP save/reload Yang Weijiang
2023-08-04  8:43   ` Chao Gao
2023-08-09  9:00     ` Yang, Weijiang
2023-08-03  4:27 ` [PATCH v5 16/19] KVM:x86: Enable CET virtualization for VMX and advertise to userspace Yang Weijiang
2023-08-03  4:27 ` [PATCH v5 17/19] KVM:x86: Enable guest CET supervisor xstate bit support Yang Weijiang
2023-08-04 22:02   ` Paolo Bonzini
2023-08-09  6:07     ` Yang, Weijiang
2023-08-03  4:27 ` [PATCH v5 18/19] KVM:nVMX: Refine error code injection to nested VM Yang Weijiang
2023-08-04 21:38   ` Sean Christopherson
2023-08-09  3:00     ` Yang, Weijiang
2023-08-03  4:27 ` [PATCH v5 19/19] KVM:nVMX: Enable CET support for " Yang Weijiang

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