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From: Bartosz Bilas <b.bilas@grinn-global.com>
To: buildroot@busybox.net
Subject: [Buildroot] [PATCH 2/2] package/systemd: set systemd generators instalation as optional choice
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 17:55:32 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <2bfef11f-e9c1-133e-e9e2-0abd9526a016@grinn-global.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAFvCimWg5K3mEjR+--+0FPasxQaGdEYwpaj76tEfYTiXHO942Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

On 25.11.2019 17:48, J?r?my ROSEN wrote:
> I don't understand that remark...
>
> generators are run at every boot and also when "systemctl 
> daemon-reload" is called
> They have nothing to do with the machine-id or the firstboot logic...

that's weird because when I was testing I noticed the generators were 
executing only once during the first new system instance boots up. I'll 
double-check that then.

Best
Bartek
>
> Le?lun. 25 nov. 2019 ??17:44, Bartosz Bilas <b.bilas@grinn-global.com 
> <mailto:b.bilas@grinn-global.com>> a ?crit?:
>
>     Hello guys,
>
>     On 17.11.2019 16:06, J?r?my ROSEN wrote:
>>     overall I'm not very keen on adding options for the various
>>     generators...
>>
>>     there are special case where you want to get rid of a specific
>>     generator, but it's really special and probably better done in a
>>     post-image script
>>
>>     detailed answers below
>>
>>     Le?dim. 17 nov. 2019 ??15:12, Arnout Vandecappelle
>>     <arnout at mind.be <mailto:arnout@mind.be>> a ?crit?:
>>
>>
>>
>>         On 17/11/2019 12:33, Bartosz Bilas wrote:
>>         > Allow the user to choose which systemd generator should be
>>         installed
>>         > on the target instead of installing all of them by default.
>>         > That's usefull in case of when someone is using firstboot
>>         condition
>>         ? ? ? ? ?useful
>>
>>         > and doesn't want to have e.g getty services created
>>         automatically during
>>         > system boot by systemd-getty-generator. Set them enabled by
>>         default to
>>         > keep compatibility with old builds.
>>         >
>>         > Signed-off-by: Bartosz Bilas <b.bilas@grinn-global.com
>>         <mailto:b.bilas@grinn-global.com>>
>>         > ---
>>         >? package/systemd/Config.in? | 94
>>         ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>         >? package/systemd/systemd.mk <http://systemd.mk> | 56
>>         +++++++++++++++++++++++
>>         >? 2 files changed, 150 insertions(+)
>>         >
>>         > diff --git a/package/systemd/Config.in
>>         b/package/systemd/Config.in
>>         > index fadc1a32c8..052b69f4de 100644
>>         > --- a/package/systemd/Config.in
>>         > +++ b/package/systemd/Config.in
>>         > @@ -112,6 +112,100 @@ config BR2_PACKAGE_SYSTEMD_BOOT_EFI_ARCH
>>         >? ? ? ?default "x64"? ?if BR2_x86_64
>>         >? ? ? ?depends on BR2_PACKAGE_SYSTEMD_BOOT
>>         >
>>         > +menu systemd-generators
>>
>>         ?I don't like adding submenus. Instead, I'd just do it with a
>>         comment.
>>
>>         ?However, doesn't all this depend on
>>         BR2_PACKAGE_SYSTEMD_FIRSTBOOT? In that
>>         case, it could be done with a condition just under that
>>         option and the
>>         generators would be indented. Although, maybe they don't only
>>         get executed on
>>         firstboot...
>>
>>
>>     No... generators are a core feature of systemd, it's not related
>>     to first-boot in any way that I know
>>
>>         ?So, then I'd move this section to the end of Config.in, and
>>         use a comment
>>         instead of a menu.
>>
>>         > +config BR2_PACKAGE_SYSTEMD_DEBUG_GENERATOR
>>         > +? ? ?bool "systemd debug generator"
>>         > +? ? ?default y
>>
>>         ?Although this one should default y for backward
>>         compatibility, I'm of a mind to
>>         change the default here. It doesn't sound like something you
>>         want to have on by
>>         default.
>>
>>
>>     Despite its name, this is not a debug tool, but more of a rescue
>>     tool. It allows you to get a shell back on a
>>     very broken system, or to prevent a unit from starting from the
>>     kernel-command-line
>>
>>     This should really be here all the time except on very specific
>>     use-cases, I don't think making it optional
>>     is a good idea
>>
>>         > +? ? ?help
>>         > +? ? ? ?systemd-debug-generator is for enabling a runtime debug
>>         > +? ? ? ?shell and masking specific units at boot.
>>         > +
>>         > +
>>         https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd-debug-generator.html
>>         > +
>>         > +config BR2_PACKAGE_SYSTEMD_FSTAB_GENERATOR
>>         > +? ? ?bool "systemd fstab generator"
>>         > +? ? ?default y
>>         > +? ? ?help
>>         > +? ? ? ?systemd-fstab-generator is a generator that translates
>>         > +? ? ? ?/etc/fstab into native systemd units early at boot
>>         > +? ? ? ?and when configuration of the system manager is
>>         reloaded.
>>         > +? ? ? ?This will instantiate mount and swap units as
>>         necessary.
>>
>>         ?Makes me realize that we probably shouldn't have an fstab in
>>         skeleton-init-systemd...
>>
>>     fstab is supported in systemd and it is not a deprecated feature.
>>     It is the recommended?way to automatically mount filesystems at boot.
>>
>>     this one is really fundamental, and should really not be removed.
>>     lots of things might break.
>>
>>     there are a couple of reasons to use .mount units instead (and
>>     the fstab-generator simply
>>     creates .mount units from /etc/fstab) but in the common case you
>>     are supposed to use /etc/fstab
>>
>>     so again, I don't think this is a good idea.
>>
>>
>>         > +
>>         > +
>>         https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd-fstab-generator.html
>>         > +
>>         > +config BR2_PACKAGE_SYSTEMD_GETTY_GENERATOR
>>         > +? ? ?bool "systemd getty generator"
>>         > +? ? ?default y
>>         > +? ? ?help
>>         > +? ? ? ?systemd-getty-generator is a generator that
>>         automatically
>>         > +? ? ? ?instantiates serial-getty at .service
>>         <mailto:serial-getty@.service> on the kernel
>>         > +? ? ? ?console(s), if they can function as ttys and are not
>>         > +? ? ? ?provided by the virtual console subsystem. It will also
>>         > +? ? ? ?instantiate serial-getty at .service
>>         <mailto:serial-getty@.service> instances for
>>         > +? ? ? ?virtualizer consoles, if execution in a virtualized
>>         > +? ? ? ?environment is detected.
>>         > +
>>         > +
>>         https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd-getty-generator.html
>>         > +
>>
>>
>>     That one could be made optional, since it's about
>>     runtime-detection of the right way to start a getty
>>     (i.e figure out if the console is a serial tty, a normal tty, or
>>     a vconsole) and in the embedded case
>>     we usually know what we have
>>
>>     note that it means manually enabling a service instead... which
>>     is probably harder
>>
>>     but otoh, it's typically very small and it does "the right thing"
>>     most of the time. So again, probably a
>>     better fit for a post-image script
>>
>>         > +config BR2_PACKAGE_SYSTEMD_GPT_AUTO_GENERATOR
>>         > +? ? ?bool "systemd gpt auto generator"
>>         > +? ? ?default y
>>
>>         ?For this one, I also doubt that we want to have this default on.
>>
>>
>>     That one can probably be made optional, yes... it saves 34k
>>     approximately
>>
>>         > +? ? ?help
>>         > +? ? ? ?systemd-gpt-auto-generator is a unit generator that
>>         > +? ? ? ?automatically discovers root, /home/, /srv/, the EFI
>>         > +? ? ? ?System Partition, the Extended Boot Loader
>>         Partition and
>>         > +? ? ? ?swap partitions and creates mount and swap units
>>         for them,
>>         > +? ? ? ?based on the partition type GUIDs of GUID partition
>>         tables
>>         > +? ? ? ?(GPT). It implements the Discoverable Partitions
>>         > +? ? ? ?Specification.
>>         > +
>>         > +
>>         https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd-gpt-auto-generator.html
>>         > +
>>         > +config BR2_PACKAGE_SYSTEMD_RC_LOCAL_GENERATOR
>>         > +? ? ?bool "systemd rc local generator"
>>         > +? ? ?default y
>>
>>         ?Same here. It's pretty useless in Buildroot context.
>>
>>
>>     this one is already conditional to compiling sysV backward
>>     compatibility support...
>>     which i think is always on in buildroot (neet to double-check that)
>>
>>     I think having an option to enable/disable sysV support would be
>>     more generic and more useful
>>
>>         > +? ? ?help
>>         > +? ? ? ?systemd-rc-local-generator is a generator that checks
>>         > +? ? ? ?whether /etc/rc.local exists and is executable,
>>         > +? ? ? ?and if it is pulls the rc-local.service unit into the
>>         > +? ? ? ?boot process.
>>         > +
>>         > +
>>         https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd-rc-local-generator.html
>>         > +
>>         > +config BR2_PACKAGE_SYSTEMD_RUN_GENERATOR
>>         > +? ? ?bool "systemd run generator"
>>         > +? ? ?default y
>>         > +? ? ?help
>>         > +? ? ? ?systemd-run-generator is for invoking commands
>>         specified
>>         > +? ? ? ?on the kernel command line as system service.
>>         > +
>>         > +
>>         https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd-run-generator.html
>>         > +
>>
>>
>>     This one could be optional... it's very usefull?for containers,
>>     less for full-blown systems
>>
>>         > +config BR2_PACKAGE_SYSTEMD_SYSTEM_UPDATE_GENERATOR
>>         > +? ? ?bool "systemd system update generator"
>>         > +? ? ?default y
>>         > +? ? ?help
>>         > +? ? ? ?systemd-system-update-generator is a generator that
>>         > +? ? ? ?automatically redirects the boot process to
>>         > +? ? ? ?system-update.target, if /system-update exists.
>>         > +
>>         > +
>>         https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd-system-update-generator.html
>>         > +
>>
>>
>>     this one could be optional
>>
>>         > +config BR2_PACKAGE_SYSTEMD_SYSV_GENERATOR
>>         > +? ? ?bool "systemd sysv generator"
>>         > +? ? ?default y
>>         > +? ? ?help
>>         > +? ? ? ?systemd-sysv-generator is a generator that creates
>>         wrapper
>>         > +? ? ? ?.service units for SysV init scripts in
>>         /etc/init.d/* at
>>         > +? ? ? ?boot and when configuration of the system manager is
>>         > +? ? ? ?reloaded. This will allow systemd(1) to support them
>>         > +? ? ? ?similarly to native units/
>>         > +
>>         > +
>>         https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd-system-update-generator.html
>>         > +
>>         > +endmenu
>>         > +
>>
>>
>>     Again, i'd rather have a generic way to disable the sysV support
>>     at compile time...
>>
>>
>>
>>     Ok so overall, I think most generators should stay in and only
>>     one or two should be made optional...
>>     Sorry for the negative feedback, but I don't like adding complex
>>     compilation options that are not supported
>>     upstream, especially when all generators together wait 272k on my
>>     debian
>     Until we don't decide about the installation machine-id file that
>     patch doesn't make any sense due to the impossibility to run those
>     generators at all.
>
>     Best
>     Bartek
>>
>>     The few that could legitimately be made optional are easy enough
>>     to remove in a post-image that I'm not sure
>>     it's worth the trouble
>>
>>     i'd?be ok for a patch doing that, though, but only for the few
>>     ones that are worth it...
>>
>>     Cheers
>>     Jeremy
>>
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>>
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Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-11-17 11:33 [Buildroot] [PATCH 1/2] package/systemd: set machine id file instalation as optional choice Bartosz Bilas
2019-11-17 11:33 ` [Buildroot] [PATCH 2/2] package/systemd: set systemd generators " Bartosz Bilas
2019-11-17 14:12   ` Arnout Vandecappelle
2019-11-17 15:06     ` Jérémy ROSEN
2019-11-25 16:44       ` Bartosz Bilas
2019-11-25 16:48         ` Jérémy ROSEN
2019-11-25 16:55           ` Bartosz Bilas [this message]
2019-11-25 17:02             ` Jérémy ROSEN
2020-02-03 18:37               ` Bartosz Bilas
2019-11-17 13:39 ` [Buildroot] [PATCH 1/2] package/systemd: set machine id file " Arnout Vandecappelle
2019-11-17 14:19   ` Jérémy ROSEN
2019-11-17 16:00     ` Arnout Vandecappelle
2019-11-17 16:14       ` Jérémy ROSEN
2019-11-17 17:34         ` Arnout Vandecappelle
2019-11-17 17:47           ` Jérémy ROSEN
2019-11-19  8:40       ` Thomas Petazzoni
2019-11-19 10:15         ` Jérémy ROSEN
2020-02-03 18:28           ` Bartosz Bilas
2020-02-03 18:34             ` Bartosz Bilas
2020-02-03 18:41               ` Bartosz Bilas
2020-02-05  9:05                 ` Jérémy ROSEN
2021-08-05 20:07 ` Thomas Petazzoni

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