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From: "Madhavan T. Venkataraman" <madvenka@linux.microsoft.com>
To: Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@redhat.com>
Cc: broonie@kernel.org, mark.rutland@arm.com, jthierry@redhat.com,
	catalin.marinas@arm.com, will@kernel.org, jmorris@namei.org,
	pasha.tatashin@soleen.com, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	live-patching@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v3 1/4] arm64: Introduce stack trace reliability checks in the unwinder
Date: Tue, 4 May 2021 19:21:37 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <2fc9a77a-ddf5-812a-0681-ece94b433d71@linux.microsoft.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20210505000728.yxg3xbwa3emcu2wi@treble>



On 5/4/21 7:07 PM, Josh Poimboeuf wrote:
> On Tue, May 04, 2021 at 06:13:39PM -0500, Madhavan T. Venkataraman wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 5/4/21 4:52 PM, Josh Poimboeuf wrote:
>>> On Mon, May 03, 2021 at 12:36:12PM -0500, madvenka@linux.microsoft.com wrote:
>>>> @@ -44,6 +44,8 @@ int notrace unwind_frame(struct task_struct *tsk, struct stackframe *frame)
>>>>  	unsigned long fp = frame->fp;
>>>>  	struct stack_info info;
>>>>  
>>>> +	frame->reliable = true;
>>>> +
>>>
>>> Why set 'reliable' to true on every invocation of unwind_frame()?
>>> Shouldn't it be remembered across frames?
>>>
>>
>> This is mainly for debug purposes in case a caller wants to print the whole stack and also
>> print which functions are unreliable. For livepatch, it does not make any difference. It will
>> quit as soon as it encounters an unreliable frame.
> 
> Hm, ok.  So 'frame->reliable' refers to the current frame, not the
> entire stack.
> 

Yes.

>>> Also, it looks like there are several error scenarios where it returns
>>> -EINVAL but doesn't set 'reliable' to false.
>>>
>>
>> I wanted to make a distinction between an error situation (like stack corruption where unwinding
>> has to stop) and an unreliable situation (where unwinding can still proceed). E.g., when a
>> stack trace is taken for informational purposes or debug purposes, the unwinding will try to
>> proceed until either the stack trace ends or an error happens.
> 
> Ok, but I don't understand how that relates to my comment.
> 
> Why wouldn't a stack corruption like !on_accessible_stack() set
> 'frame->reliable' to false?
> 

I do see your point. If an error has been hit, then the stack trace is essentially unreliable
regardless of anything else. So, I accept your comment. I will mark the stack trace as unreliable
if any kind of error is encountered.

Thanks!

Madhavan

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From: "Madhavan T. Venkataraman" <madvenka@linux.microsoft.com>
To: Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@redhat.com>
Cc: broonie@kernel.org, mark.rutland@arm.com, jthierry@redhat.com,
	catalin.marinas@arm.com, will@kernel.org, jmorris@namei.org,
	pasha.tatashin@soleen.com, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	live-patching@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v3 1/4] arm64: Introduce stack trace reliability checks in the unwinder
Date: Tue, 4 May 2021 19:21:37 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <2fc9a77a-ddf5-812a-0681-ece94b433d71@linux.microsoft.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20210505000728.yxg3xbwa3emcu2wi@treble>



On 5/4/21 7:07 PM, Josh Poimboeuf wrote:
> On Tue, May 04, 2021 at 06:13:39PM -0500, Madhavan T. Venkataraman wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 5/4/21 4:52 PM, Josh Poimboeuf wrote:
>>> On Mon, May 03, 2021 at 12:36:12PM -0500, madvenka@linux.microsoft.com wrote:
>>>> @@ -44,6 +44,8 @@ int notrace unwind_frame(struct task_struct *tsk, struct stackframe *frame)
>>>>  	unsigned long fp = frame->fp;
>>>>  	struct stack_info info;
>>>>  
>>>> +	frame->reliable = true;
>>>> +
>>>
>>> Why set 'reliable' to true on every invocation of unwind_frame()?
>>> Shouldn't it be remembered across frames?
>>>
>>
>> This is mainly for debug purposes in case a caller wants to print the whole stack and also
>> print which functions are unreliable. For livepatch, it does not make any difference. It will
>> quit as soon as it encounters an unreliable frame.
> 
> Hm, ok.  So 'frame->reliable' refers to the current frame, not the
> entire stack.
> 

Yes.

>>> Also, it looks like there are several error scenarios where it returns
>>> -EINVAL but doesn't set 'reliable' to false.
>>>
>>
>> I wanted to make a distinction between an error situation (like stack corruption where unwinding
>> has to stop) and an unreliable situation (where unwinding can still proceed). E.g., when a
>> stack trace is taken for informational purposes or debug purposes, the unwinding will try to
>> proceed until either the stack trace ends or an error happens.
> 
> Ok, but I don't understand how that relates to my comment.
> 
> Why wouldn't a stack corruption like !on_accessible_stack() set
> 'frame->reliable' to false?
> 

I do see your point. If an error has been hit, then the stack trace is essentially unreliable
regardless of anything else. So, I accept your comment. I will mark the stack trace as unreliable
if any kind of error is encountered.

Thanks!

Madhavan

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Thread overview: 64+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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2021-05-03 17:36 ` [RFC PATCH v3 0/4] arm64: Stack trace reliability checks in the unwinder madvenka
2021-05-03 17:36   ` madvenka
2021-05-03 17:36   ` [RFC PATCH v3 1/4] arm64: Introduce stack " madvenka
2021-05-03 17:36     ` madvenka
2021-05-04 15:50     ` Mark Brown
2021-05-04 15:50       ` Mark Brown
2021-05-04 19:14       ` Madhavan T. Venkataraman
2021-05-04 19:14         ` Madhavan T. Venkataraman
2021-05-04 21:52     ` Josh Poimboeuf
2021-05-04 21:52       ` Josh Poimboeuf
2021-05-04 23:13       ` Madhavan T. Venkataraman
2021-05-04 23:13         ` Madhavan T. Venkataraman
2021-05-05  0:07         ` Josh Poimboeuf
2021-05-05  0:07           ` Josh Poimboeuf
2021-05-05  0:21           ` Madhavan T. Venkataraman [this message]
2021-05-05  0:21             ` Madhavan T. Venkataraman
2021-05-03 17:36   ` [RFC PATCH v3 2/4] arm64: Check the return PC against unreliable code sections madvenka
2021-05-03 17:36     ` madvenka
2021-05-04 16:05     ` Mark Brown
2021-05-04 16:05       ` Mark Brown
2021-05-04 19:03       ` Madhavan T. Venkataraman
2021-05-04 19:03         ` Madhavan T. Venkataraman
2021-05-04 19:32         ` Madhavan T. Venkataraman
2021-05-04 19:32           ` Madhavan T. Venkataraman
2021-05-05 16:46           ` Mark Brown
2021-05-05 16:46             ` Mark Brown
2021-05-05 18:48             ` Madhavan T. Venkataraman
2021-05-05 18:48               ` Madhavan T. Venkataraman
2021-05-05 18:50               ` Madhavan T. Venkataraman
2021-05-05 18:50                 ` Madhavan T. Venkataraman
2021-05-06 13:45               ` Mark Brown
2021-05-06 13:45                 ` Mark Brown
2021-05-06 15:21                 ` Madhavan T. Venkataraman
2021-05-06 15:21                   ` Madhavan T. Venkataraman
2021-05-05 16:34         ` Mark Brown
2021-05-05 16:34           ` Mark Brown
2021-05-05 17:51           ` Madhavan T. Venkataraman
2021-05-05 17:51             ` Madhavan T. Venkataraman
2021-05-05 19:30     ` Ard Biesheuvel
2021-05-05 19:30       ` Ard Biesheuvel
2021-05-05 20:00       ` Madhavan T. Venkataraman
2021-05-05 20:00         ` Madhavan T. Venkataraman
2021-05-03 17:36   ` [RFC PATCH v3 3/4] arm64: Handle miscellaneous functions in .text and .init.text madvenka
2021-05-03 17:36     ` madvenka
2021-05-06 14:12     ` Mark Brown
2021-05-06 14:12       ` Mark Brown
2021-05-06 15:30       ` Madhavan T. Venkataraman
2021-05-06 15:30         ` Madhavan T. Venkataraman
2021-05-06 15:32         ` Madhavan T. Venkataraman
2021-05-06 15:32           ` Madhavan T. Venkataraman
2021-05-06 15:44           ` Mark Brown
2021-05-06 15:44             ` Mark Brown
2021-05-06 15:56             ` Madhavan T. Venkataraman
2021-05-06 15:56               ` Madhavan T. Venkataraman
2021-05-06 15:37         ` Mark Brown
2021-05-06 15:37           ` Mark Brown
2021-05-06 15:57           ` Madhavan T. Venkataraman
2021-05-06 15:57             ` Madhavan T. Venkataraman
2021-05-03 17:36   ` [RFC PATCH v3 4/4] arm64: Handle funtion graph tracer better in the unwinder madvenka
2021-05-03 17:36     ` madvenka
2021-05-06 14:43     ` Mark Brown
2021-05-06 14:43       ` Mark Brown
2021-05-06 15:20       ` Madhavan T. Venkataraman
2021-05-06 15:20         ` Madhavan T. Venkataraman

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