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From: "Heiko Stübner" <heiko@sntech.de>
To: Brian Norris <briannorris@chromium.org>
Cc: "Uwe Kleine-König" <u.kleine-koenig@pengutronix.de>,
	devicetree@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-rockchip@lists.infradead.org,
	"Brian Norris" <computersforpeace@gmail.com>,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	"Caesar Wang" <wxt@rock-chips.com>,
	"Rob Herring" <robh+dt@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] arm64: dts: rockchip: add spiX aliases for rk3399
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 10:11:11 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3484113.eKHnDqRbfE@diego> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1841177.NDa9D09EGz@diego>

Am Mittwoch, 20. Juli 2016, 00:18:40 schrieb Heiko Stübner:
> Am Dienstag, 19. Juli 2016, 12:29:14 schrieb Brian Norris:
> > On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 12:27:54PM -0700, Brian Norris wrote:
> > > + Rob
> > 
> > + Rob for real
> > 
> > > Hi,
> > > 
> > > On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 08:56:47PM +0200, Heiko Stuebner wrote:
> > > > Am Dienstag, 19. Juli 2016, 08:39:55 schrieb Uwe Kleine-König:
> > > > > On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 06:24:33PM -0700, Brian Norris wrote:
> > > > > > It's nicer to see this:
> > > > > >     # ls -l /sys/bus/spi/devices/
> > > > > >     total 0
> > > > > >     lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 Dec 31  1969 spi0.0 ->
> > > > > >     ../../../devices/platform/ff1c0000.spi/spi_master/spi0/spi0.0
> > > > > >     lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 Dec 31  1969 spi1.0 ->
> > > > > >     ../../../devices/platform/ff1d0000.spi/spi_master/spi1/spi1.0
> > > > > >     lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 Dec 31  1969 spi2.0 ->
> > > > > >     ../../../devices/platform/ff1e0000.spi/spi_master/spi2/spi2.0
> > > > > >     lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 Dec 31  1969 spi5.0 ->
> > > > > >     ../../../devices/platform/ff200000.spi/spi_master/spi5/spi5.0>
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > than this:
> > > > > >     # ls -l /sys/bus/spi/devices/
> > > > > >     total 0
> > > > > >     lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 Dec 31  1969 spi32763.0 ->
> > > > > >     ../../../devices/platform/ff200000.spi/spi_master/spi32763/spi
> > > > > >     32
> > > > > >     763.0
> > > > > >     lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 Dec 31  1969 spi32764.0 ->
> > > > > >     ../../../devices/platform/ff1e0000.spi/spi_master/spi32764/spi
> > > > > >     32
> > > > > >     764.0
> > > > > >     lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 Dec 31  1969 spi32765.0 ->
> > > > > >     ../../../devices/platform/ff1d0000.spi/spi_master/spi32765/spi
> > > > > >     32
> > > > > >     765.0
> > > > > >     lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 Dec 31  1969 spi32766.0 ->
> > > > > >     ../../../devices/platform/ff1c0000.spi/spi_master/spi32766/spi
> > > > > >     32
> > > > > >     766.0>
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > With the latter, it's much clearer which bus devices are on.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Signed-off-by: Brian Norris <briannorris@chromium.org>
> > > > > > ---
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >  arch/arm64/boot/dts/rockchip/rk3399.dtsi | 6 ++++++
> > > > > >  1 file changed, 6 insertions(+)
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > diff --git a/arch/arm64/boot/dts/rockchip/rk3399.dtsi
> > > > > > b/arch/arm64/boot/dts/rockchip/rk3399.dtsi index
> > > > > > 4c84229789ef..b04abbfd4898 100644
> > > > > > --- a/arch/arm64/boot/dts/rockchip/rk3399.dtsi
> > > > > > +++ b/arch/arm64/boot/dts/rockchip/rk3399.dtsi
> > > > > > @@ -70,6 +70,12 @@
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >  		serial2 = &uart2;
> > > > > >  		serial3 = &uart3;
> > > > > >  		serial4 = &uart4;
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > +		spi0 = &spi0;
> > > > > > +		spi1 = &spi1;
> > > > > > +		spi2 = &spi2;
> > > > > > +		spi3 = &spi3;
> > > > > > +		spi4 = &spi4;
> > > > > > +		spi5 = &spi5;
> > > > > 
> > > > > Note that Rob Herring (with his dt-maintainer hat on) doesn't like
> > > > > these
> > > > > aliases.
> > > > > 
> > > > > See for example:
> > > > > 	http://mid.gmane.org/20160705140546.GA10601@rob-hp-laptop
> > > 
> > > But why? I believe half the arguments in the linked thread were
> > > Catch-22's -- there were no "mainline" users (which is a false target
> > > IMO anyway, as Christer Weinigel mentioned somewhere in the thread Rob
> > > linked), and so we couldn't accept more documentation (or users) for the
> > > feature. FWIW, my quick grep now shows there are currently 43 mainline
> > > users.
> > > 
> > > This feature is very useful. Some of the thread Rob pointed to argued
> > > that the indexing isn't HW documentation; in this case, it most
> > > certainly is. The RK3399 TRM explicitly has these SPI buses named SPI0,
> > > SPI1, SPI2, SPI3, SPI4, and SPI5, and schematics that I've seen use the
> > > same terminology. It is therefore *much* nicer to have my device show up
> > > as 'spi2.0' (reflecting their correct HW name) rather than spi32764.0.
> > > Sometimes I can't even get as far as mounting sysfs to check what this
> > > maps to, but having spi2.0 in the kernel log can clearly tell me what
> > > device is causing problems.
> > > 
> > > If Rob can support a better alternative solution, I'd be happy to
> > > switch. But I don't understand why we can't use a useful (not just to
> > > me, but presumably to at least 43 other independent users, and many
> > > more out of tree), existing, and long-supported feature here.
> 
> Personally, I don't have any real opinion on this but the argument sounds
> plausible to me (aka they are named with numbers in every manual,
> schematics) so it might be helpful to have that around - similar to i2c
> that is in the dtsi already.
> 
> I think I remember Doug having a similar discussion around mmc-aliases some
> time ago - that met opposition as well [0] - although I guess the numbering
> was a bit more arbitary there.
> 
> I guess we'll just see what Rob says.

Uwe pointed me to a very similar discussion and response from Rob about spi 
aliases at:
https://lkml.org/lkml/2016/5/25/566

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: heiko@sntech.de (Heiko Stübner)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH] arm64: dts: rockchip: add spiX aliases for rk3399
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 10:11:11 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3484113.eKHnDqRbfE@diego> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1841177.NDa9D09EGz@diego>

Am Mittwoch, 20. Juli 2016, 00:18:40 schrieb Heiko St?bner:
> Am Dienstag, 19. Juli 2016, 12:29:14 schrieb Brian Norris:
> > On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 12:27:54PM -0700, Brian Norris wrote:
> > > + Rob
> > 
> > + Rob for real
> > 
> > > Hi,
> > > 
> > > On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 08:56:47PM +0200, Heiko Stuebner wrote:
> > > > Am Dienstag, 19. Juli 2016, 08:39:55 schrieb Uwe Kleine-K?nig:
> > > > > On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 06:24:33PM -0700, Brian Norris wrote:
> > > > > > It's nicer to see this:
> > > > > >     # ls -l /sys/bus/spi/devices/
> > > > > >     total 0
> > > > > >     lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 Dec 31  1969 spi0.0 ->
> > > > > >     ../../../devices/platform/ff1c0000.spi/spi_master/spi0/spi0.0
> > > > > >     lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 Dec 31  1969 spi1.0 ->
> > > > > >     ../../../devices/platform/ff1d0000.spi/spi_master/spi1/spi1.0
> > > > > >     lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 Dec 31  1969 spi2.0 ->
> > > > > >     ../../../devices/platform/ff1e0000.spi/spi_master/spi2/spi2.0
> > > > > >     lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 Dec 31  1969 spi5.0 ->
> > > > > >     ../../../devices/platform/ff200000.spi/spi_master/spi5/spi5.0>
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > than this:
> > > > > >     # ls -l /sys/bus/spi/devices/
> > > > > >     total 0
> > > > > >     lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 Dec 31  1969 spi32763.0 ->
> > > > > >     ../../../devices/platform/ff200000.spi/spi_master/spi32763/spi
> > > > > >     32
> > > > > >     763.0
> > > > > >     lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 Dec 31  1969 spi32764.0 ->
> > > > > >     ../../../devices/platform/ff1e0000.spi/spi_master/spi32764/spi
> > > > > >     32
> > > > > >     764.0
> > > > > >     lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 Dec 31  1969 spi32765.0 ->
> > > > > >     ../../../devices/platform/ff1d0000.spi/spi_master/spi32765/spi
> > > > > >     32
> > > > > >     765.0
> > > > > >     lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 Dec 31  1969 spi32766.0 ->
> > > > > >     ../../../devices/platform/ff1c0000.spi/spi_master/spi32766/spi
> > > > > >     32
> > > > > >     766.0>
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > With the latter, it's much clearer which bus devices are on.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Signed-off-by: Brian Norris <briannorris@chromium.org>
> > > > > > ---
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >  arch/arm64/boot/dts/rockchip/rk3399.dtsi | 6 ++++++
> > > > > >  1 file changed, 6 insertions(+)
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > diff --git a/arch/arm64/boot/dts/rockchip/rk3399.dtsi
> > > > > > b/arch/arm64/boot/dts/rockchip/rk3399.dtsi index
> > > > > > 4c84229789ef..b04abbfd4898 100644
> > > > > > --- a/arch/arm64/boot/dts/rockchip/rk3399.dtsi
> > > > > > +++ b/arch/arm64/boot/dts/rockchip/rk3399.dtsi
> > > > > > @@ -70,6 +70,12 @@
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >  		serial2 = &uart2;
> > > > > >  		serial3 = &uart3;
> > > > > >  		serial4 = &uart4;
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > +		spi0 = &spi0;
> > > > > > +		spi1 = &spi1;
> > > > > > +		spi2 = &spi2;
> > > > > > +		spi3 = &spi3;
> > > > > > +		spi4 = &spi4;
> > > > > > +		spi5 = &spi5;
> > > > > 
> > > > > Note that Rob Herring (with his dt-maintainer hat on) doesn't like
> > > > > these
> > > > > aliases.
> > > > > 
> > > > > See for example:
> > > > > 	http://mid.gmane.org/20160705140546.GA10601 at rob-hp-laptop
> > > 
> > > But why? I believe half the arguments in the linked thread were
> > > Catch-22's -- there were no "mainline" users (which is a false target
> > > IMO anyway, as Christer Weinigel mentioned somewhere in the thread Rob
> > > linked), and so we couldn't accept more documentation (or users) for the
> > > feature. FWIW, my quick grep now shows there are currently 43 mainline
> > > users.
> > > 
> > > This feature is very useful. Some of the thread Rob pointed to argued
> > > that the indexing isn't HW documentation; in this case, it most
> > > certainly is. The RK3399 TRM explicitly has these SPI buses named SPI0,
> > > SPI1, SPI2, SPI3, SPI4, and SPI5, and schematics that I've seen use the
> > > same terminology. It is therefore *much* nicer to have my device show up
> > > as 'spi2.0' (reflecting their correct HW name) rather than spi32764.0.
> > > Sometimes I can't even get as far as mounting sysfs to check what this
> > > maps to, but having spi2.0 in the kernel log can clearly tell me what
> > > device is causing problems.
> > > 
> > > If Rob can support a better alternative solution, I'd be happy to
> > > switch. But I don't understand why we can't use a useful (not just to
> > > me, but presumably to at least 43 other independent users, and many
> > > more out of tree), existing, and long-supported feature here.
> 
> Personally, I don't have any real opinion on this but the argument sounds
> plausible to me (aka they are named with numbers in every manual,
> schematics) so it might be helpful to have that around - similar to i2c
> that is in the dtsi already.
> 
> I think I remember Doug having a similar discussion around mmc-aliases some
> time ago - that met opposition as well [0] - although I guess the numbering
> was a bit more arbitary there.
> 
> I guess we'll just see what Rob says.

Uwe pointed me to a very similar discussion and response from Rob about spi 
aliases at:
https://lkml.org/lkml/2016/5/25/566

  reply	other threads:[~2016-07-20  8:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-07-15  1:24 [PATCH] arm64: dts: rockchip: add spiX aliases for rk3399 Brian Norris
2016-07-15  1:24 ` Brian Norris
2016-07-18 20:50 ` Heiko Stübner
2016-07-18 20:50   ` Heiko Stübner
2016-07-18 20:50   ` Heiko Stübner
2016-07-19  6:39 ` Uwe Kleine-König
2016-07-19  6:39   ` Uwe Kleine-König
2016-07-19  6:39   ` Uwe Kleine-König
2016-07-19 18:56   ` Heiko Stübner
2016-07-19 18:56     ` Heiko Stübner
2016-07-19 19:27     ` Brian Norris
2016-07-19 19:27       ` Brian Norris
2016-07-19 19:27       ` Brian Norris
2016-07-19 19:29       ` Brian Norris
2016-07-19 19:29         ` Brian Norris
2016-07-19 19:29         ` Brian Norris
2016-07-19 22:18         ` Heiko Stübner
2016-07-19 22:18           ` Heiko Stübner
2016-07-20  8:11           ` Heiko Stübner [this message]
2016-07-20  8:11             ` Heiko Stübner
2016-07-29 23:39             ` Brian Norris
2016-07-29 23:39               ` Brian Norris
2016-07-30  1:05               ` Mark Brown
2016-07-30  1:05                 ` Mark Brown
2016-07-30  1:05                 ` Mark Brown

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