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From: Alex Ghiti <alex@ghiti.fr>
To: Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>
Cc: Albert Ou <aou@eecs.berkeley.edu>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Palmer Dabbelt <palmer@sifive.com>,
	Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>,
	Russell King <linux@armlinux.org.uk>,
	Ralf Baechle <ralf@linux-mips.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Linux-MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>, Paul Burton <paul.burton@mips.com>,
	linux-riscv@lists.infradead.org,
	Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	James Hogan <jhogan@kernel.org>,
	"linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-mips@vger.kernel.org, Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	linux-arm-kernel <linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>,
	Luis Chamberlain <mcgrof@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 04/11] arm64, mm: Move generic mmap layout functions to mm
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2019 09:20:36 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <365fe520-b14a-c792-9961-c18f79edfe13@ghiti.fr> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAGXu5j+NkQ+nwRShuKeHMwuy6++3x0QMS9djE=wUzUUtAkVf3g@mail.gmail.com>

On 4/18/19 10:19 AM, Kees Cook wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 18, 2019 at 12:55 AM Alex Ghiti <alex@ghiti.fr> wrote:
>> Regarding the help text, I agree that it does not seem to be frequent to
>> place
>> comment above config like that, I'll let Christoph and you decide what's
>> best. And I'll
>> add the possibility for the arch to define its own STACK_RND_MASK.
> Yeah, I think it's very helpful to spell out the requirements for new
> architectures with these kinds of features in the help text (see
> SECCOMP_FILTER for example).
>
>>> I think CONFIG_ARCH_WANT_DEFAULT_TOPDOWN_MMAP_LAYOUT should select
>>> CONFIG_ARCH_HAS_ELF_RANDOMIZE. It would mean moving
>>
>> I don't think we should link those 2 features together: an architecture
>> may want
>> topdown mmap and don't care about randomization right ?
> Given that the mmap randomization and stack randomization are already
> coming along for the ride, it seems weird to make brk randomization an
> optional feature (especially since all the of the architectures you're
> converting include it). I'd also like these kinds of security features
> to be available by default. So, I think one patch to adjust the MIPS
> brk randomization entropy and then you can just include it in this
> move.


Ok that makes sense, and that would bring support for randomization to
riscv at the same time, so I'll look into it, thanks.


>> Actually, I had to add those ifdefs for mmap_rnd_compat_bits, not
>> is_compat_task.
> Oh! In that case, use CONFIG_HAVE_ARCH_MMAP_RND_BITS. :) Actually,
> what would be maybe cleaner would be to add mmap_rnd_bits_min/max
> consts set to 0 for the non-CONFIG_HAVE_ARCH_MMAP_RND_BITS case at the
> top of mm/mmap.c.


Ok I'll do that.


>
> I really like this clean-up! I think we can move x86 to it too without
> too much pain. :)
>

Yeah I think too, I will do that too.


Thanks again,


Alex



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From: Alex Ghiti <alex@ghiti.fr>
To: Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>
Cc: Albert Ou <aou@eecs.berkeley.edu>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Palmer Dabbelt <palmer@sifive.com>,
	Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>,
	Russell King <linux@armlinux.org.uk>,
	Ralf Baechle <ralf@linux-mips.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Linux-MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>, Paul Burton <paul.burton@mips.com>,
	Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	James Hogan <jhogan@kernel.org>,
	"linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-riscv@lists.infradead.org, linux-mips@vger.kernel.org,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-arm-kernel <linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>,
	Luis Chamberlain <mcgrof@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 04/11] arm64, mm: Move generic mmap layout functions to mm
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2019 09:20:36 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <365fe520-b14a-c792-9961-c18f79edfe13@ghiti.fr> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAGXu5j+NkQ+nwRShuKeHMwuy6++3x0QMS9djE=wUzUUtAkVf3g@mail.gmail.com>

On 4/18/19 10:19 AM, Kees Cook wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 18, 2019 at 12:55 AM Alex Ghiti <alex@ghiti.fr> wrote:
>> Regarding the help text, I agree that it does not seem to be frequent to
>> place
>> comment above config like that, I'll let Christoph and you decide what's
>> best. And I'll
>> add the possibility for the arch to define its own STACK_RND_MASK.
> Yeah, I think it's very helpful to spell out the requirements for new
> architectures with these kinds of features in the help text (see
> SECCOMP_FILTER for example).
>
>>> I think CONFIG_ARCH_WANT_DEFAULT_TOPDOWN_MMAP_LAYOUT should select
>>> CONFIG_ARCH_HAS_ELF_RANDOMIZE. It would mean moving
>>
>> I don't think we should link those 2 features together: an architecture
>> may want
>> topdown mmap and don't care about randomization right ?
> Given that the mmap randomization and stack randomization are already
> coming along for the ride, it seems weird to make brk randomization an
> optional feature (especially since all the of the architectures you're
> converting include it). I'd also like these kinds of security features
> to be available by default. So, I think one patch to adjust the MIPS
> brk randomization entropy and then you can just include it in this
> move.


Ok that makes sense, and that would bring support for randomization to
riscv at the same time, so I'll look into it, thanks.


>> Actually, I had to add those ifdefs for mmap_rnd_compat_bits, not
>> is_compat_task.
> Oh! In that case, use CONFIG_HAVE_ARCH_MMAP_RND_BITS. :) Actually,
> what would be maybe cleaner would be to add mmap_rnd_bits_min/max
> consts set to 0 for the non-CONFIG_HAVE_ARCH_MMAP_RND_BITS case at the
> top of mm/mmap.c.


Ok I'll do that.


>
> I really like this clean-up! I think we can move x86 to it too without
> too much pain. :)
>

Yeah I think too, I will do that too.


Thanks again,


Alex



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From: Alex Ghiti <alex@ghiti.fr>
To: Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>
Cc: Albert Ou <aou@eecs.berkeley.edu>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Palmer Dabbelt <palmer@sifive.com>,
	Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>,
	Russell King <linux@armlinux.org.uk>,
	Ralf Baechle <ralf@linux-mips.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Linux-MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>, Paul Burton <paul.burton@mips.com>,
	Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	James Hogan <jhogan@kernel.org>,
	"linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-riscv@lists.infradead.org, linux-mips@vger.kernel.org,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-arm-kernel <linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>,
	Luis Chamberlain <mcgrof@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 04/11] arm64, mm: Move generic mmap layout functions to mm
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2019 09:20:36 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <365fe520-b14a-c792-9961-c18f79edfe13@ghiti.fr> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAGXu5j+NkQ+nwRShuKeHMwuy6++3x0QMS9djE=wUzUUtAkVf3g@mail.gmail.com>

On 4/18/19 10:19 AM, Kees Cook wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 18, 2019 at 12:55 AM Alex Ghiti <alex@ghiti.fr> wrote:
>> Regarding the help text, I agree that it does not seem to be frequent to
>> place
>> comment above config like that, I'll let Christoph and you decide what's
>> best. And I'll
>> add the possibility for the arch to define its own STACK_RND_MASK.
> Yeah, I think it's very helpful to spell out the requirements for new
> architectures with these kinds of features in the help text (see
> SECCOMP_FILTER for example).
>
>>> I think CONFIG_ARCH_WANT_DEFAULT_TOPDOWN_MMAP_LAYOUT should select
>>> CONFIG_ARCH_HAS_ELF_RANDOMIZE. It would mean moving
>>
>> I don't think we should link those 2 features together: an architecture
>> may want
>> topdown mmap and don't care about randomization right ?
> Given that the mmap randomization and stack randomization are already
> coming along for the ride, it seems weird to make brk randomization an
> optional feature (especially since all the of the architectures you're
> converting include it). I'd also like these kinds of security features
> to be available by default. So, I think one patch to adjust the MIPS
> brk randomization entropy and then you can just include it in this
> move.


Ok that makes sense, and that would bring support for randomization to
riscv at the same time, so I'll look into it, thanks.


>> Actually, I had to add those ifdefs for mmap_rnd_compat_bits, not
>> is_compat_task.
> Oh! In that case, use CONFIG_HAVE_ARCH_MMAP_RND_BITS. :) Actually,
> what would be maybe cleaner would be to add mmap_rnd_bits_min/max
> consts set to 0 for the non-CONFIG_HAVE_ARCH_MMAP_RND_BITS case at the
> top of mm/mmap.c.


Ok I'll do that.


>
> I really like this clean-up! I think we can move x86 to it too without
> too much pain. :)
>

Yeah I think too, I will do that too.


Thanks again,


Alex



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  reply	other threads:[~2019-04-19 20:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 143+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-04-17  5:22 [PATCH v3 00/11] Provide generic top-down mmap layout functions Alexandre Ghiti
2019-04-17  5:22 ` Alexandre Ghiti
2019-04-17  5:22 ` Alexandre Ghiti
2019-04-17  5:22 ` [PATCH v3 01/11] mm, fs: Move randomize_stack_top from fs to mm Alexandre Ghiti
2019-04-17  5:22   ` Alexandre Ghiti
2019-04-17  5:22   ` Alexandre Ghiti
2019-04-18  5:20   ` Kees Cook
2019-04-18  5:20     ` Kees Cook
2019-04-18  5:20     ` Kees Cook
2019-04-18  5:20     ` Kees Cook
2019-04-17  5:22 ` [PATCH v3 02/11] arm64: Make use of is_compat_task instead of hardcoding this test Alexandre Ghiti
2019-04-17  5:22   ` Alexandre Ghiti
2019-04-17  5:22   ` Alexandre Ghiti
2019-04-18  4:32   ` Kees Cook
2019-04-18  4:32     ` Kees Cook
2019-04-18  4:32     ` Kees Cook
2019-04-18  4:32     ` Kees Cook
2019-04-18  5:23     ` Alex Ghiti
2019-04-18  5:23       ` Alex Ghiti
2019-04-18  5:23       ` Alex Ghiti
2019-04-22 19:53   ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-04-22 19:53     ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-04-22 19:53     ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-04-17  5:22 ` [PATCH v3 03/11] arm64: Consider stack randomization for mmap base only when necessary Alexandre Ghiti
2019-04-17  5:22   ` Alexandre Ghiti
2019-04-17  5:22   ` Alexandre Ghiti
2019-04-18  4:37   ` Kees Cook
2019-04-18  4:37     ` Kees Cook
2019-04-18  4:37     ` Kees Cook
2019-04-18  4:37     ` Kees Cook
2019-04-18  5:24     ` Alex Ghiti
2019-04-18  5:24       ` Alex Ghiti
2019-04-18  5:24       ` Alex Ghiti
2019-04-22 19:53   ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-04-22 19:53     ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-04-22 19:53     ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-04-17  5:22 ` [PATCH v3 04/11] arm64, mm: Move generic mmap layout functions to mm Alexandre Ghiti
2019-04-17  5:22   ` Alexandre Ghiti
2019-04-17  5:22   ` Alexandre Ghiti
2019-04-18  5:17   ` Kees Cook
2019-04-18  5:17     ` Kees Cook
2019-04-18  5:17     ` Kees Cook
2019-04-18  5:17     ` Kees Cook
2019-04-18  5:55     ` Alex Ghiti
2019-04-18  5:55       ` Alex Ghiti
2019-04-18  5:55       ` Alex Ghiti
2019-04-18 14:19       ` Kees Cook
2019-04-18 14:19         ` Kees Cook
2019-04-18 14:19         ` Kees Cook
2019-04-18 14:19         ` Kees Cook
2019-04-19  7:20         ` Alex Ghiti [this message]
2019-04-19  7:20           ` Alex Ghiti
2019-04-19  7:20           ` Alex Ghiti
2019-04-22 19:55         ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-04-22 19:55           ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-04-22 19:55           ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-04-28 14:27         ` Alex Ghiti
2019-04-28 14:27           ` Alex Ghiti
2019-04-28 14:27           ` Alex Ghiti
2019-04-22 19:54   ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-04-22 19:54     ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-04-22 19:54     ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-04-17  5:22 ` [PATCH v3 05/11] arm: Properly account for stack randomization and stack guard gap Alexandre Ghiti
2019-04-17  5:22   ` Alexandre Ghiti
2019-04-17  5:22   ` Alexandre Ghiti
2019-04-18  5:26   ` Kees Cook
2019-04-18  5:26     ` Kees Cook
2019-04-18  5:26     ` Kees Cook
2019-04-18  5:26     ` Kees Cook
2019-04-18  6:01     ` Alex Ghiti
2019-04-18  6:01       ` Alex Ghiti
2019-04-18  6:01       ` Alex Ghiti
2019-04-17  5:22 ` [PATCH v3 06/11] arm: Use STACK_TOP when computing mmap base address Alexandre Ghiti
2019-04-17  5:22   ` Alexandre Ghiti
2019-04-17  5:22   ` Alexandre Ghiti
2019-04-18  5:27   ` Kees Cook
2019-04-18  5:27     ` Kees Cook
2019-04-18  5:27     ` Kees Cook
2019-04-18  5:27     ` Kees Cook
2019-04-18  6:04     ` Alex Ghiti
2019-04-18  6:04       ` Alex Ghiti
2019-04-18  6:04       ` Alex Ghiti
2019-04-17  5:22 ` [PATCH v3 07/11] arm: Use generic mmap top-down layout Alexandre Ghiti
2019-04-17  5:22   ` Alexandre Ghiti
2019-04-17  5:22   ` Alexandre Ghiti
2019-04-18  5:28   ` Kees Cook
2019-04-18  5:28     ` Kees Cook
2019-04-18  5:28     ` Kees Cook
2019-04-18  5:28     ` Kees Cook
2019-04-18  6:06     ` Alex Ghiti
2019-04-18  6:06       ` Alex Ghiti
2019-04-18  6:06       ` Alex Ghiti
2019-04-17  5:22 ` [PATCH v3 08/11] mips: Properly account for stack randomization and stack guard gap Alexandre Ghiti
2019-04-17  5:22   ` Alexandre Ghiti
2019-04-17  5:22   ` Alexandre Ghiti
2019-04-18  5:30   ` Kees Cook
2019-04-18  5:30     ` Kees Cook
2019-04-18  5:30     ` Kees Cook
2019-04-18  5:30     ` Kees Cook
2019-04-18  6:06     ` Alex Ghiti
2019-04-18  6:06       ` Alex Ghiti
2019-04-18  6:06       ` Alex Ghiti
2019-04-18 21:27   ` Paul Burton
2019-04-18 21:27     ` Paul Burton
2019-04-18 21:27     ` Paul Burton
2019-04-18 21:27     ` Paul Burton
2019-04-19  7:20     ` Alex Ghiti
2019-04-19  7:20       ` Alex Ghiti
2019-04-19  7:20       ` Alex Ghiti
2019-04-19  7:20       ` Alex Ghiti
2019-04-17  5:22 ` [PATCH v3 09/11] mips: Use STACK_TOP when computing mmap base address Alexandre Ghiti
2019-04-17  5:22   ` Alexandre Ghiti
2019-04-17  5:22   ` Alexandre Ghiti
2019-04-18  5:31   ` Kees Cook
2019-04-18  5:31     ` Kees Cook
2019-04-18  5:31     ` Kees Cook
2019-04-18  5:31     ` Kees Cook
2019-04-18  6:08     ` Alex Ghiti
2019-04-18  6:08       ` Alex Ghiti
2019-04-18  6:08       ` Alex Ghiti
2019-04-17  5:22 ` [PATCH v3 10/11] mips: Use generic mmap top-down layout Alexandre Ghiti
2019-04-17  5:22   ` Alexandre Ghiti
2019-04-17  5:22   ` Alexandre Ghiti
2019-04-18  5:31   ` Kees Cook
2019-04-18  5:31     ` Kees Cook
2019-04-18  5:31     ` Kees Cook
2019-04-18  5:31     ` Kees Cook
2019-04-18  6:08     ` Alex Ghiti
2019-04-18  6:08       ` Alex Ghiti
2019-04-18  6:08       ` Alex Ghiti
2019-04-17  5:22 ` [PATCH v3 11/11] riscv: Make mmap allocation top-down by default Alexandre Ghiti
2019-04-17  5:22   ` Alexandre Ghiti
2019-04-17  5:22   ` Alexandre Ghiti
2019-04-18  5:31   ` Kees Cook
2019-04-18  5:31     ` Kees Cook
2019-04-18  5:31     ` Kees Cook
2019-04-18  5:31     ` Kees Cook
2019-04-18  6:09     ` Alex Ghiti
2019-04-18  6:09       ` Alex Ghiti
2019-04-18  6:09       ` Alex Ghiti
2019-04-22 19:56   ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-04-22 19:56     ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-04-22 19:56     ` Christoph Hellwig

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