[Printing-architecture] IPP Scanning: GSoC project for a SANE module for IPP-based driverless scanning?

[Printing-architecture] IPP Scanning: GSoC project for a SANE module for IPP-based driverless scanning?

[Till Kamppeter]

Hi,

a great, driverless 2017 to everyone, everywhere!

After having done a lot of work on driverless (IPP Everywhere, AirPrint) 
printing with cups-filters and ippusbxd, especially to make both IPP 
network printers and IPP-over-USB printers get set up automatically with 
an auto-generated PPD file, I was also thinking about driverless scanning.

So I looked around on the PWG web site and found the document about IPP 
scanning:

http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/candidates/cs-ippscan10-20140918-5100.17.pdf

and this looks promising, information based on which one could write a 
SANE driver. And at SANE no one tried up to now:

http://www.sane-project.org/

I think about putting up a GSoC project for that.

As my driverless-printing-capable IPP printers do not seem to offer IPP 
scanning, I want to know how far we are with IPP scanning currently.

Is the IPP scanning standard already an approved standard?

Are there already scanners or multi-function printers which do IPP scanning?

Is there a list of models?

Is there some free software which emulates an IPP scanner (like the 
ippserver utility of CUPS emulates an IPP Everywhere printer)?

    Till

Re: [Printing-architecture] IPP Scanning: GSoC project for a SANE module for IPP-based driverless scanning?

[Till Kamppeter]

[ Posting back to printing-architecture list ]

On 01/03/2017 02:31 PM, Michael Sweet wrote:
>> <mailto:till.kamppeter@gmail.com>> wrote:

[...]

>> Is the IPP scanning standard already an approved standard?
>
> Yes, otherwise it wouldn't have been assigned a PWG standard number...
>

OK. Thanks.

>> Are there already scanners or multi-function printers which do IPP
>> scanning?
>
> Nobody has come forward to report on this, and I haven't seen any in the
> wild.  It was prototyped by Xerox...
>

Let's hope they will come out with devices any time soon.

>> Is there a list of models?
>>
>> Is there some free software which emulates an IPP scanner (like the
>> ippserver utility of CUPS emulates an IPP Everywhere printer)?
>
> Not at present.
>

So a feature request for CUPS' "ippserver" utility would be to make it 
emulate a multi-function printer with scanner (possibility to 
activate/deactivate the print and scan functions of the virtual IPP 
device by command line options). One could have a directory with 
printable files on the machine running ippserver and if a client scans 
it gets files from this directory.

    Till

Re: [Printing-architecture] IPP Scanning: GSoC project for a SANE module for IPP-based driverless scanning?

[Michael Sweet]

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Till,

We won't be adding IPP Scan support to ippserver (or anything in CUPS for that matter).  Feel free to file a feature request for the PWG's "ippsample" project at:

    https://github.com/istopwg/ippsample/issues <https://github.com/istopwg/ippsample/issues>

but at this point I can say we don't have the resources to develop it...


> On Jan 3, 2017, at 11:49 AM, Till Kamppeter <till.kamppeter@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> [ Posting back to printing-architecture list ]
> 
> On 01/03/2017 02:31 PM, Michael Sweet wrote:
>>> <mailto:till.kamppeter@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
>>> Is the IPP scanning standard already an approved standard?
>> 
>> Yes, otherwise it wouldn't have been assigned a PWG standard number...
>> 
> 
> OK. Thanks.
> 
>>> Are there already scanners or multi-function printers which do IPP
>>> scanning?
>> 
>> Nobody has come forward to report on this, and I haven't seen any in the
>> wild.  It was prototyped by Xerox...
>> 
> 
> Let's hope they will come out with devices any time soon.
> 
>>> Is there a list of models?
>>> 
>>> Is there some free software which emulates an IPP scanner (like the
>>> ippserver utility of CUPS emulates an IPP Everywhere printer)?
>> 
>> Not at present.
>> 
> 
> So a feature request for CUPS' "ippserver" utility would be to make it emulate a multi-function printer with scanner (possibility to activate/deactivate the print and scan functions of the virtual IPP device by command line options). One could have a directory with printable files on the machine running ippserver and if a client scans it gets files from this directory.
> 
>   Till
> 
> 

_________________________________________________________
Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer


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Re: [Printing-architecture] IPP Scanning: GSoC project for a SANE module for IPP-based driverless scanning?

[Till Kamppeter]

On 01/03/2017 03:05 PM, Michael Sweet wrote:
> Till,
>
> We won't be adding IPP Scan support to ippserver (or anything in CUPS
> for that matter).  Feel free to file a feature request for the PWG's
> "ippsample" project at:
>
>     https://github.com/istopwg/ippsample/issues
>
> but at this point I can say we don't have the resources to develop it...

So perhaps we should open one student project for the emulator and one 
for the SANE module then ...

    Till

Re: [Printing-architecture] IPP Scanning: GSoC project for a SANE module for IPP-based driverless scanning?

[Till Kamppeter]

[ Re-posting to printing-architecture list. ]

On 01/03/2017 02:31 PM, Michael Sweet wrote:
> Till,
>> <mailto:till.kamppeter@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> Are there already scanners or multi-function printers which do IPP
>> scanning?
>
> Nobody has come forward to report on this, and I haven't seen any in the
> wild.  It was prototyped by Xerox...
>

Is there still interest in this standard at the printer manufacturers? 
Or was it worked out and as soon as it got approved all the 
manufacturer's interest was gone?

Can someone ask on some PWG list or call to find out about the 
manufacturer's interest? Would be nice to know for me before investing 
time and students in implementing support for this standard.

Thanks in advance

    Till

Re: [Printing-architecture] IPP Scanning: GSoC project for a SANE module for IPP-based driverless scanning?

[Ira McDonald]

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Hi Till,

Manufacturers *never* pre-announce forthcoming multi-function products.
Until someone actually ships and announces an IPP Scan-capable device,
PWG folks won't know any more than you do.

I think that for GSoC2017, IPP Scan is premature as a project.  We first
need to finish IPP System Service, get it prototyped, and get it into new
products.  That's the only way to do coordinated startup/shutdown of
individual services on an MFD.

Cheers,
- Ira


Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc
mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com
Jan-April: 579 Park Place  Saline, MI  48176  734-944-0094
May-Dec: PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI 49839  906-494-2434


On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 8:27 PM, Till Kamppeter <till.kamppeter@gmail.com>
wrote:

> [ Re-posting to printing-architecture list. ]
>
> On 01/03/2017 02:31 PM, Michael Sweet wrote:
>
>> Till,
>>
>>> <mailto:till.kamppeter@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> Are there already scanners or multi-function printers which do IPP
>>> scanning?
>>>
>>
>> Nobody has come forward to report on this, and I haven't seen any in the
>> wild.  It was prototyped by Xerox...
>>
>>
> Is there still interest in this standard at the printer manufacturers? Or
> was it worked out and as soon as it got approved all the manufacturer's
> interest was gone?
>
> Can someone ask on some PWG list or call to find out about the
> manufacturer's interest? Would be nice to know for me before investing time
> and students in implementing support for this standard.
>
> Thanks in advance
>
>
>    Till
>
> _______________________________________________
> Printing-architecture mailing list
> Printing-architecture@lists.linux-foundation.org
> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/printing-architecture
>

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Re: [Printing-architecture] IPP Scanning: GSoC project for a SANE module for IPP-based driverless scanning?

[Aveek Basu]

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Hi,

I there any manufacturer currently using the IPP scanning standard and is
there any device available with this in the market. Any one any idea?



Regards,
Aveek

On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 9:24 PM, Ira McDonald <blueroofmusic@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi Till,
>
> Manufacturers *never* pre-announce forthcoming multi-function products.
> Until someone actually ships and announces an IPP Scan-capable device,
> PWG folks won't know any more than you do.
>
> I think that for GSoC2017, IPP Scan is premature as a project.  We first
> need to finish IPP System Service, get it prototyped, and get it into new
> products.  That's the only way to do coordinated startup/shutdown of
> individual services on an MFD.
>
> Cheers,
> - Ira
>
>
> Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
> Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
> Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
> Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
> Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG
> IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
> Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
> http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
> http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc
> mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com
> Jan-April: 579 Park Place  Saline, MI  48176  734-944-0094
> <(734)%20944-0094>
> May-Dec: PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI 49839  906-494-2434
> <(906)%20494-2434>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 8:27 PM, Till Kamppeter <till.kamppeter@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> [ Re-posting to printing-architecture list. ]
>>
>> On 01/03/2017 02:31 PM, Michael Sweet wrote:
>>
>>> Till,
>>>
>>>> <mailto:till.kamppeter@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> Are there already scanners or multi-function printers which do IPP
>>>> scanning?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Nobody has come forward to report on this, and I haven't seen any in the
>>> wild.  It was prototyped by Xerox...
>>>
>>>
>> Is there still interest in this standard at the printer manufacturers? Or
>> was it worked out and as soon as it got approved all the manufacturer's
>> interest was gone?
>>
>> Can someone ask on some PWG list or call to find out about the
>> manufacturer's interest? Would be nice to know for me before investing time
>> and students in implementing support for this standard.
>>
>> Thanks in advance
>>
>>
>>    Till
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Printing-architecture mailing list
>> Printing-architecture@lists.linux-foundation.org
>> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/printing-architecture
>>
>
>
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Regards,
Aveek

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