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From: Dave Hansen <haveblue@us.ibm.com>
To: Oliver Neukum <oliver@neukum.name>
Cc: Thunder from the hill <thunder@ngforever.de>,
	Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>,
	kernel-janitor-discuss 
	<kernel-janitor-discuss@lists.sourceforge.net>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: BKL removal
Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 16:45:21 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3D28D291.3020706@us.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 200207080131.06119.oliver@neukum.name

Oliver Neukum wrote:
 >>> "up" is a local variable.  There is no point in protecting its
 >>> allocation.  If the goal is to protect data inside "up", there
 >>> should probably be a subsystem-level lock for all "struct
 >>> uhci_hcd"s or a lock contained inside of the structure itself.
 >>> Is this the kind of example you're looking for?
 >>
 >> So the BKL isn't wrong here, but incorrectly used?
 >
 > The BKL, unless used unbalanced, can never cause a bug. It could be
 > insufficient or superfluous, but never be really buggy in itself.

Does incredibly high lock contention qualify as a bug?

 >> Is it really okay to "lock the whole kernel" because of one
 >> struct file? This brings us back to spinlocks...
 >>
 >> You're possibly right about this one. What did Greg K-H say?
 >
 > I don't speak for Greg, but in this example it could be dropped
 > IMO. The spinlock protects the critical section anyway. As a rule,
 > if you do a kmalloc without GFP_ATOMIC under BKL you are doing
 > either insufficient locking (you may need a semaphore) or useless
 > locking.

Don't forget that the BKL is released on sleep.  It is OK to hold it
over a schedule()able operation.  If I remember right, there is no 
real protection needed for the file->private_data either because there 
is 1 and only 1 struct file per open, and the data is not shared among 
struct files.

 > This should have been posted on linux-usb long ago.

I just pulled it out of thin air 10 minutes ago!

-- 
Dave Hansen
haveblue@us.ibm.com


  reply	other threads:[~2002-07-07 23:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 98+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <Pine.LNX.4.44L.0207061306440.8346-100000@imladris.surriel.com>
     [not found] ` <3D27390E.5060208@us.ibm.com>
2002-07-07 20:55   ` BKL removal Greg KH
2002-07-07 21:28     ` Oliver Neukum
2002-07-07 21:58       ` Dave Hansen
2002-07-07 22:38         ` Oliver Neukum
2002-07-07 21:35     ` Dave Hansen
2002-07-07 21:55       ` Thunder from the hill
2002-07-07 22:42         ` Dave Hansen
2002-07-07 23:07           ` Thunder from the hill
2002-07-07 23:23             ` Dave Hansen
2002-07-07 23:34               ` Thunder from the hill
2002-07-07 23:42                 ` Sean Neakums
2002-07-07 23:31             ` Oliver Neukum
2002-07-07 23:45               ` Dave Hansen [this message]
2002-07-08  2:34                 ` Matthew Wilcox
2002-07-08  2:52                   ` Dave Hansen
2002-07-08  3:06                     ` Alexander Viro
2002-07-08 12:33                       ` Matthew Wilcox
2002-07-08 14:53                         ` Dave Hansen
2002-07-08 12:29                     ` Matthew Wilcox
2002-07-08  2:58                   ` Alexander Viro
2002-07-08  3:06                     ` Dave Hansen
2002-07-08 12:15                     ` Matthew Wilcox
2002-07-08  6:34                 ` Oliver Neukum
2002-07-07 23:23           ` Oliver Neukum
2002-07-07 23:31             ` Dave Hansen
2002-07-07 23:51           ` Greg KH
2002-07-08  0:07             ` Dave Hansen
2002-07-08  2:12               ` Greg KH
2002-07-09  1:46                 ` Rick Lindsley
2002-07-09  4:38                   ` Greg KH
2002-07-09 19:31                     ` Rick Lindsley
2002-07-09 20:17                       ` Greg KH
2002-07-09 20:55                         ` Rick Lindsley
2002-07-09 21:00                           ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-07-09 21:12                             ` Robert Love
2002-07-09 14:19                               ` Dave Hansen
2002-07-09 21:29                                 ` Robert Love
2002-07-09 14:44                                   ` Dave Hansen
2002-07-09 21:47                                     ` Robert Love
2002-07-10  1:15                                       ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-07-10  3:27                                         ` Alexander Viro
2002-07-09 20:49                                           ` Dave Hansen
2002-07-10  5:30                                             ` Alexander Viro
2002-07-10 10:28                                               ` Sandy Harris
2002-07-18  0:30                                     ` David Wagner
2002-07-18  1:03                                       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-07-09 21:59                               ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-07-09 22:21                               ` Alan Cox
2002-07-10 13:31                                 ` jlnance
2002-07-10 14:17                                   ` Alan Cox
2002-07-15 20:53                                     ` Alexander Hoogerhuis
2002-07-15 22:07                                       ` Rik van Riel
2002-07-15 22:25                                         ` Thunder from the hill
2002-07-09 19:33                     ` Rick Lindsley
2002-07-09 20:12                       ` Greg KH
2002-07-09  4:49                   ` Drew P. Vogel
2002-07-09  5:25                     ` Dave Hansen
2002-07-09  5:21                   ` Larry McVoy
2002-07-09  7:59                     ` Roman Zippel
2002-07-10 10:03                     ` Marco Colombo
2002-07-10 14:40                       ` Matthew Wilcox
2002-07-10 16:46                         ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-07-11  9:57                           ` Marco Colombo
2002-07-10 21:28                     ` Rick Lindsley
2002-07-10 22:24                       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-07-10 23:36                         ` spinlock assertion macros Jesse Barnes
2002-07-11  0:54                           ` Andreas Dilger
2002-07-11  1:10                             ` Jesse Barnes
2002-07-11  5:31                           ` Daniel Phillips
2002-07-11  7:19                             ` george anzinger
2002-07-11 16:35                             ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-07-11 23:52                               ` Sandy Harris
2002-07-12  0:56                                 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-07-12  3:22                                 ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-07-11 18:03                             ` Jesse Barnes
2002-07-11 19:17                               ` Daniel Phillips
2002-07-12 12:07                                 ` Dave Jones
2002-07-12 12:55                                   ` Daniel Phillips
2002-07-12 19:24                                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2002-07-12 17:42                                       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-07-17  2:22                                         ` Jesse Barnes
2002-07-17  6:34                                           ` Daniel Phillips
2002-07-18 23:36                                             ` [PATCH] spinlock assertion macros for 2.5.26 Jesse Barnes
2002-07-17 11:09                                           ` spinlock assertion macros Arnd Bergmann
2002-07-12 20:41                                     ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-07-13  3:21                                       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-07-12 17:49                                   ` Robert Love
2002-07-12 17:58                                     ` Dave Jones
2002-07-11 10:51                           ` Arnd Bergmann
2002-07-07 22:24       ` BKL removal Greg KH
2002-07-08  0:56         ` Bernd Eckenfels
2002-07-10  0:30     ` Pavel Machek
2002-07-10  7:32 dan carpenter
     [not found] <0C01A29FBAE24448A792F5C68F5EA47D2B0C8A@nasdaq.ms.ensim.com>
2002-07-08 19:00 ` pmenage
2002-07-08 21:45   ` Oliver Neukum
     [not found] <3D23F306.50703@us.ibm.com>
2002-07-04 12:41 ` Matthew Wilcox
2002-07-04 18:44   ` Dave Hansen
2002-07-04 18:56   ` Dave Hansen

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