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From: Alexander Viro <viro@math.psu.edu>
To: Dave Hansen <haveblue@us.ibm.com>
Cc: Matthew Wilcox <willy@debian.org>,
	Oliver Neukum <oliver@neukum.name>,
	Thunder from the hill <thunder@ngforever.de>,
	Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>,
	kernel-janitor-discuss 
	<kernel-janitor-discuss@lists.sourceforge.net>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: BKL removal
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 23:06:32 -0400 (EDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0207072258350.24900-100000@weyl.math.psu.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3D28FE72.1080603@us.ibm.com>



On Sun, 7 Jul 2002, Dave Hansen wrote:

> > as does unix domain fd passing.  so we need protection between different
> > processes.  there's some pretty good reasons to want to use a semaphore
> > to protect the struct file (see fasync code.. bleugh).
> 
> But, this at least means that we don't need to protect 
> file->private_data during the open itself, right?

Correct.  Moreover, most of the struct file instances that have ->private_data
tend to set it during ->open() and never change it afterwards.
 
> > however, our semaphores currently suck.  they attempt to acquire the sem
> > immediately and if they fail go straight to sleep.  schimmel (i think..)
> > suggests spinning for a certain number of iterations before sleeping.
> > the great thing is, it's all out of line slowpath code so the additional
> > size shouldn't matter.  obviously this is SMP-only, and it does require
> > someone to do it who can measure the difference (and figure out how may
> > iterations to spin for before sleeping).

The thing being, if you are already contended you are playing "I'll release
CPU now" vs. "I'll spin in hope that contender will go away right now".

IOW, it's a win only if you get contention often and for short intervals.
Which is a very good indication that something is rotten with your locking
scheme.  Like, say it, having lost the control over the amount of locks
as the result of brainde^Woverenthusiastic belief that fine-grained ==
good.  With everything that follows from that...


  reply	other threads:[~2002-07-08  3:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 98+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <Pine.LNX.4.44L.0207061306440.8346-100000@imladris.surriel.com>
     [not found] ` <3D27390E.5060208@us.ibm.com>
2002-07-07 20:55   ` BKL removal Greg KH
2002-07-07 21:28     ` Oliver Neukum
2002-07-07 21:58       ` Dave Hansen
2002-07-07 22:38         ` Oliver Neukum
2002-07-07 21:35     ` Dave Hansen
2002-07-07 21:55       ` Thunder from the hill
2002-07-07 22:42         ` Dave Hansen
2002-07-07 23:07           ` Thunder from the hill
2002-07-07 23:23             ` Dave Hansen
2002-07-07 23:34               ` Thunder from the hill
2002-07-07 23:42                 ` Sean Neakums
2002-07-07 23:31             ` Oliver Neukum
2002-07-07 23:45               ` Dave Hansen
2002-07-08  2:34                 ` Matthew Wilcox
2002-07-08  2:52                   ` Dave Hansen
2002-07-08  3:06                     ` Alexander Viro [this message]
2002-07-08 12:33                       ` Matthew Wilcox
2002-07-08 14:53                         ` Dave Hansen
2002-07-08 12:29                     ` Matthew Wilcox
2002-07-08  2:58                   ` Alexander Viro
2002-07-08  3:06                     ` Dave Hansen
2002-07-08 12:15                     ` Matthew Wilcox
2002-07-08  6:34                 ` Oliver Neukum
2002-07-07 23:23           ` Oliver Neukum
2002-07-07 23:31             ` Dave Hansen
2002-07-07 23:51           ` Greg KH
2002-07-08  0:07             ` Dave Hansen
2002-07-08  2:12               ` Greg KH
2002-07-09  1:46                 ` Rick Lindsley
2002-07-09  4:38                   ` Greg KH
2002-07-09 19:31                     ` Rick Lindsley
2002-07-09 20:17                       ` Greg KH
2002-07-09 20:55                         ` Rick Lindsley
2002-07-09 21:00                           ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-07-09 21:12                             ` Robert Love
2002-07-09 14:19                               ` Dave Hansen
2002-07-09 21:29                                 ` Robert Love
2002-07-09 14:44                                   ` Dave Hansen
2002-07-09 21:47                                     ` Robert Love
2002-07-10  1:15                                       ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-07-10  3:27                                         ` Alexander Viro
2002-07-09 20:49                                           ` Dave Hansen
2002-07-10  5:30                                             ` Alexander Viro
2002-07-10 10:28                                               ` Sandy Harris
2002-07-18  0:30                                     ` David Wagner
2002-07-18  1:03                                       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-07-09 21:59                               ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-07-09 22:21                               ` Alan Cox
2002-07-10 13:31                                 ` jlnance
2002-07-10 14:17                                   ` Alan Cox
2002-07-15 20:53                                     ` Alexander Hoogerhuis
2002-07-15 22:07                                       ` Rik van Riel
2002-07-15 22:25                                         ` Thunder from the hill
2002-07-09 19:33                     ` Rick Lindsley
2002-07-09 20:12                       ` Greg KH
2002-07-09  4:49                   ` Drew P. Vogel
2002-07-09  5:25                     ` Dave Hansen
2002-07-09  5:21                   ` Larry McVoy
2002-07-09  7:59                     ` Roman Zippel
2002-07-10 10:03                     ` Marco Colombo
2002-07-10 14:40                       ` Matthew Wilcox
2002-07-10 16:46                         ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-07-11  9:57                           ` Marco Colombo
2002-07-10 21:28                     ` Rick Lindsley
2002-07-10 22:24                       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-07-10 23:36                         ` spinlock assertion macros Jesse Barnes
2002-07-11  0:54                           ` Andreas Dilger
2002-07-11  1:10                             ` Jesse Barnes
2002-07-11  5:31                           ` Daniel Phillips
2002-07-11  7:19                             ` george anzinger
2002-07-11 16:35                             ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-07-11 23:52                               ` Sandy Harris
2002-07-12  0:56                                 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-07-12  3:22                                 ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-07-11 18:03                             ` Jesse Barnes
2002-07-11 19:17                               ` Daniel Phillips
2002-07-12 12:07                                 ` Dave Jones
2002-07-12 12:55                                   ` Daniel Phillips
2002-07-12 19:24                                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2002-07-12 17:42                                       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-07-17  2:22                                         ` Jesse Barnes
2002-07-17  6:34                                           ` Daniel Phillips
2002-07-18 23:36                                             ` [PATCH] spinlock assertion macros for 2.5.26 Jesse Barnes
2002-07-17 11:09                                           ` spinlock assertion macros Arnd Bergmann
2002-07-12 20:41                                     ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-07-13  3:21                                       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-07-12 17:49                                   ` Robert Love
2002-07-12 17:58                                     ` Dave Jones
2002-07-11 10:51                           ` Arnd Bergmann
2002-07-07 22:24       ` BKL removal Greg KH
2002-07-08  0:56         ` Bernd Eckenfels
2002-07-10  0:30     ` Pavel Machek
2002-07-10  7:32 dan carpenter
     [not found] <0C01A29FBAE24448A792F5C68F5EA47D2B0C8A@nasdaq.ms.ensim.com>
2002-07-08 19:00 ` pmenage
2002-07-08 21:45   ` Oliver Neukum
     [not found] <3D23F306.50703@us.ibm.com>
2002-07-04 12:41 ` Matthew Wilcox
2002-07-04 18:44   ` Dave Hansen
2002-07-04 18:56   ` Dave Hansen

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