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From: Elliot Berman <quic_eberman@quicinc.com>
To: Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>
Cc: Alex Elder <elder@linaro.org>,
	Srinivas Kandagatla <srinivas.kandagatla@linaro.org>,
	Prakruthi Deepak Heragu <quic_pheragu@quicinc.com>,
	Murali Nalajala <quic_mnalajal@quicinc.com>,
	Trilok Soni <quic_tsoni@quicinc.com>,
	Srivatsa Vaddagiri <quic_svaddagi@quicinc.com>,
	Carl van Schaik <quic_cvanscha@quicinc.com>,
	Dmitry Baryshkov <dmitry.baryshkov@linaro.org>,
	Bjorn Andersson <andersson@kernel.org>,
	Konrad Dybcio <konrad.dybcio@linaro.org>,
	"Arnd Bergmann" <arnd@arndb.de>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Rob Herring <robh+dt@kernel.org>,
	Krzysztof Kozlowski <krzysztof.kozlowski+dt@linaro.org>,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	"Bagas Sanjaya" <bagasdotme@gmail.com>,
	Andy Gross <agross@kernel.org>,
	"Catalin Marinas" <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Jassi Brar <jassisinghbrar@gmail.com>,
	<linux-arm-msm@vger.kernel.org>, <devicetree@vger.kernel.org>,
	<linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, <linux-doc@vger.kernel.org>,
	<linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>, <qperret@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v13 10/24] gunyah: vm_mgr: Add/remove user memory regions
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2023 08:54:49 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3bd86221-ee2e-d157-009b-11f6ada98537@quicinc.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20230605141839.GD21212@willie-the-truck>



On 6/5/2023 7:18 AM, Will Deacon wrote:
> Hi Elliot,
> 
> [+Quentin since he's looked at the MMU notifiers]
> 
> Sorry for the slow response, I got buried in email during a week away.
> 
> On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 10:02:29AM -0700, Elliot Berman wrote:
>> On 5/19/2023 4:59 AM, Will Deacon wrote:
>>> On Tue, May 09, 2023 at 01:47:47PM -0700, Elliot Berman wrote:
>>>> +	ret = account_locked_vm(ghvm->mm, mapping->npages, true);
>>>> +	if (ret)
>>>> +		goto free_mapping;
>>>> +
>>>> +	mapping->pages = kcalloc(mapping->npages, sizeof(*mapping->pages), GFP_KERNEL_ACCOUNT);
>>>> +	if (!mapping->pages) {
>>>> +		ret = -ENOMEM;
>>>> +		mapping->npages = 0; /* update npages for reclaim */
>>>> +		goto unlock_pages;
>>>> +	}
>>>> +
>>>> +	gup_flags = FOLL_LONGTERM;
>>>> +	if (region->flags & GH_MEM_ALLOW_WRITE)
>>>> +		gup_flags |= FOLL_WRITE;
>>>> +
>>>> +	pinned = pin_user_pages_fast(region->userspace_addr, mapping->npages,
>>>> +					gup_flags, mapping->pages);
>>>> +	if (pinned < 0) {
>>>> +		ret = pinned;
>>>> +		goto free_pages;
>>>> +	} else if (pinned != mapping->npages) {
>>>> +		ret = -EFAULT;
>>>> +		mapping->npages = pinned; /* update npages for reclaim */
>>>> +		goto unpin_pages;
>>>> +	}
>>>
>>> Sorry if I missed it, but I still don't see where you reject file mappings
>>> here.
>>>
>>
>> Sure, I can reject file mappings. I didn't catch that was the ask previously
>> and thought it was only a comment about behavior of file mappings.
> 
> I thought the mention of filesystem corruption was clear enough! It's
> definitely something we shouldn't allow.
> 
>>> This is also the wrong interface for upstream. Please get involved with
>>> the fd-based guest memory discussions [1] and port your series to that.
>>>
>>
>> The user interface design for *shared* memory aligns with
>> KVM_SET_USER_MEMORY_REGION.
> 
> I don't think it does. For example, file mappings don't work (as above),
> you're placing additional rlimit requirements on the caller, read-only
> memslots are not functional, the memory cannot be swapped or migrated,
> dirty logging doesn't work etc. pKVM is in the same boat, but that's why
> we're not upstreaming this part in its current form.
>

I thought pKVM was only holding off on upstreaming changes related to 
guest-private memory?

>> I understood we want to use restricted memfd for giving guest-private memory
>> (Gunyah calls this "lending memory"). When I went through the changes, I
>> gathered KVM is using restricted memfd only for guest-private memory and not
>> for shared memory. Thus, I dropped support for lending memory to the guest
>> VM and only retained the shared memory support in this series. I'd like to
>> merge what we can today and introduce the guest-private memory support in
>> tandem with the restricted memfd; I don't see much reason to delay the
>> series.
> 
> Right, protected guests will use the new restricted memfd ("guest mem"
> now, I think?), but non-protected guests should implement the existing
> interface *without* the need for the GUP pin on guest memory pages. Yes,
> that means full support for MMU notifiers so that these pages can be
> managed properly by the host kernel. We're working on that for pKVM, but
> it requires a more flexible form of memory sharing over what we currently
> have so that e.g. the zero page can be shared between multiple entities.

Gunyah doesn't support swapping pages out while the guest is running and 
the design of Gunyah isn't made to give host kernel full control over 
the S2 page table for its guests. As best I can tell from reading the 
respective drivers, ACRN and Nitro Enclaves both GUP pin guest memory 
pages prior to giving them to the guest, so I don't think this 
requirement from Gunyah is particularly unusual.


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From: Elliot Berman <quic_eberman@quicinc.com>
To: Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>
Cc: Alex Elder <elder@linaro.org>,
	Srinivas Kandagatla <srinivas.kandagatla@linaro.org>,
	Prakruthi Deepak Heragu <quic_pheragu@quicinc.com>,
	Murali Nalajala <quic_mnalajal@quicinc.com>,
	Trilok Soni <quic_tsoni@quicinc.com>,
	Srivatsa Vaddagiri <quic_svaddagi@quicinc.com>,
	Carl van Schaik <quic_cvanscha@quicinc.com>,
	Dmitry Baryshkov <dmitry.baryshkov@linaro.org>,
	Bjorn Andersson <andersson@kernel.org>,
	Konrad Dybcio <konrad.dybcio@linaro.org>,
	"Arnd Bergmann" <arnd@arndb.de>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Rob Herring <robh+dt@kernel.org>,
	Krzysztof Kozlowski <krzysztof.kozlowski+dt@linaro.org>,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	"Bagas Sanjaya" <bagasdotme@gmail.com>,
	Andy Gross <agross@kernel.org>,
	"Catalin Marinas" <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Jassi Brar <jassisinghbrar@gmail.com>,
	<linux-arm-msm@vger.kernel.org>, <devicetree@vger.kernel.org>,
	<linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, <linux-doc@vger.kernel.org>,
	<linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>, <qperret@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v13 10/24] gunyah: vm_mgr: Add/remove user memory regions
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2023 08:54:49 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3bd86221-ee2e-d157-009b-11f6ada98537@quicinc.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20230605141839.GD21212@willie-the-truck>



On 6/5/2023 7:18 AM, Will Deacon wrote:
> Hi Elliot,
> 
> [+Quentin since he's looked at the MMU notifiers]
> 
> Sorry for the slow response, I got buried in email during a week away.
> 
> On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 10:02:29AM -0700, Elliot Berman wrote:
>> On 5/19/2023 4:59 AM, Will Deacon wrote:
>>> On Tue, May 09, 2023 at 01:47:47PM -0700, Elliot Berman wrote:
>>>> +	ret = account_locked_vm(ghvm->mm, mapping->npages, true);
>>>> +	if (ret)
>>>> +		goto free_mapping;
>>>> +
>>>> +	mapping->pages = kcalloc(mapping->npages, sizeof(*mapping->pages), GFP_KERNEL_ACCOUNT);
>>>> +	if (!mapping->pages) {
>>>> +		ret = -ENOMEM;
>>>> +		mapping->npages = 0; /* update npages for reclaim */
>>>> +		goto unlock_pages;
>>>> +	}
>>>> +
>>>> +	gup_flags = FOLL_LONGTERM;
>>>> +	if (region->flags & GH_MEM_ALLOW_WRITE)
>>>> +		gup_flags |= FOLL_WRITE;
>>>> +
>>>> +	pinned = pin_user_pages_fast(region->userspace_addr, mapping->npages,
>>>> +					gup_flags, mapping->pages);
>>>> +	if (pinned < 0) {
>>>> +		ret = pinned;
>>>> +		goto free_pages;
>>>> +	} else if (pinned != mapping->npages) {
>>>> +		ret = -EFAULT;
>>>> +		mapping->npages = pinned; /* update npages for reclaim */
>>>> +		goto unpin_pages;
>>>> +	}
>>>
>>> Sorry if I missed it, but I still don't see where you reject file mappings
>>> here.
>>>
>>
>> Sure, I can reject file mappings. I didn't catch that was the ask previously
>> and thought it was only a comment about behavior of file mappings.
> 
> I thought the mention of filesystem corruption was clear enough! It's
> definitely something we shouldn't allow.
> 
>>> This is also the wrong interface for upstream. Please get involved with
>>> the fd-based guest memory discussions [1] and port your series to that.
>>>
>>
>> The user interface design for *shared* memory aligns with
>> KVM_SET_USER_MEMORY_REGION.
> 
> I don't think it does. For example, file mappings don't work (as above),
> you're placing additional rlimit requirements on the caller, read-only
> memslots are not functional, the memory cannot be swapped or migrated,
> dirty logging doesn't work etc. pKVM is in the same boat, but that's why
> we're not upstreaming this part in its current form.
>

I thought pKVM was only holding off on upstreaming changes related to 
guest-private memory?

>> I understood we want to use restricted memfd for giving guest-private memory
>> (Gunyah calls this "lending memory"). When I went through the changes, I
>> gathered KVM is using restricted memfd only for guest-private memory and not
>> for shared memory. Thus, I dropped support for lending memory to the guest
>> VM and only retained the shared memory support in this series. I'd like to
>> merge what we can today and introduce the guest-private memory support in
>> tandem with the restricted memfd; I don't see much reason to delay the
>> series.
> 
> Right, protected guests will use the new restricted memfd ("guest mem"
> now, I think?), but non-protected guests should implement the existing
> interface *without* the need for the GUP pin on guest memory pages. Yes,
> that means full support for MMU notifiers so that these pages can be
> managed properly by the host kernel. We're working on that for pKVM, but
> it requires a more flexible form of memory sharing over what we currently
> have so that e.g. the zero page can be shared between multiple entities.

Gunyah doesn't support swapping pages out while the guest is running and 
the design of Gunyah isn't made to give host kernel full control over 
the S2 page table for its guests. As best I can tell from reading the 
respective drivers, ACRN and Nitro Enclaves both GUP pin guest memory 
pages prior to giving them to the guest, so I don't think this 
requirement from Gunyah is particularly unusual.


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Thread overview: 134+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-05-09 20:47 [PATCH v13 00/24] Drivers for Gunyah hypervisor Elliot Berman
2023-05-09 20:47 ` [PATCH v13 01/24] dt-bindings: Add binding for gunyah hypervisor Elliot Berman
2023-06-05 19:47   ` Alex Elder
2023-06-05 19:47     ` Alex Elder
2023-05-09 20:47 ` [PATCH v13 02/24] gunyah: Common types and error codes for Gunyah hypercalls Elliot Berman
2023-06-05 19:47   ` Alex Elder
2023-06-05 19:47     ` Alex Elder
2023-06-05 21:31   ` Srinivas Kandagatla
2023-06-05 21:31     ` Srinivas Kandagatla
2023-05-09 20:47 ` [PATCH v13 03/24] virt: gunyah: Add hypercalls to identify Gunyah Elliot Berman
2023-06-05 19:47   ` Alex Elder
2023-06-05 19:47     ` Alex Elder
2023-05-09 20:47 ` [PATCH v13 04/24] virt: gunyah: msgq: Add hypercalls to send and receive messages Elliot Berman
2023-06-05 19:47   ` Alex Elder
2023-06-05 19:47     ` Alex Elder
2023-06-05 21:31   ` Srinivas Kandagatla
2023-06-05 21:31     ` Srinivas Kandagatla
2023-05-09 20:47 ` [PATCH v13 05/24] mailbox: Add Gunyah message queue mailbox Elliot Berman
2023-05-24  6:29   ` Dmitry Baryshkov
2023-05-24  6:29     ` Dmitry Baryshkov
2023-06-05 19:47   ` Alex Elder
2023-06-05 19:47     ` Alex Elder
2023-06-05 21:32   ` Srinivas Kandagatla
2023-06-05 21:32     ` Srinivas Kandagatla
2023-05-09 20:47 ` [PATCH v13 06/24] gunyah: rsc_mgr: Add resource manager RPC core Elliot Berman
2023-06-05 19:47   ` Alex Elder
2023-06-05 19:47     ` Alex Elder
2023-06-06 12:45   ` Srinivas Kandagatla
2023-06-06 12:45     ` Srinivas Kandagatla
2023-05-09 20:47 ` [PATCH v13 07/24] gunyah: rsc_mgr: Add VM lifecycle RPC Elliot Berman
2023-06-05 19:47   ` Alex Elder
2023-06-05 19:47     ` Alex Elder
2023-06-06 12:49   ` Srinivas Kandagatla
2023-06-06 12:49     ` Srinivas Kandagatla
2023-05-09 20:47 ` [PATCH v13 08/24] gunyah: vm_mgr: Introduce basic VM Manager Elliot Berman
2023-06-05 19:47   ` Alex Elder
2023-06-05 19:47     ` Alex Elder
2023-06-06 12:51   ` Srinivas Kandagatla
2023-06-06 12:51     ` Srinivas Kandagatla
2023-05-09 20:47 ` [PATCH v13 09/24] gunyah: rsc_mgr: Add RPC for sharing memory Elliot Berman
2023-06-05 19:48   ` Alex Elder
2023-06-05 19:48     ` Alex Elder
2023-06-09 22:35     ` Elliot Berman
2023-06-09 22:35       ` Elliot Berman
2023-06-06 13:35   ` Srinivas Kandagatla
2023-06-06 13:35     ` Srinivas Kandagatla
2023-05-09 20:47 ` [PATCH v13 10/24] gunyah: vm_mgr: Add/remove user memory regions Elliot Berman
2023-05-19 11:59   ` Will Deacon
2023-05-19 11:59     ` Will Deacon
2023-05-19 17:02     ` Elliot Berman
2023-05-19 17:02       ` Elliot Berman
2023-06-05 14:18       ` Will Deacon
2023-06-05 14:18         ` Will Deacon
2023-06-07 15:54         ` Elliot Berman [this message]
2023-06-07 15:54           ` Elliot Berman
2023-06-22 23:56           ` Elliot Berman
2023-06-22 23:56             ` Elliot Berman
2023-07-13 20:28             ` Elliot Berman
2023-07-13 20:28               ` Elliot Berman
2023-07-14 12:13               ` Will Deacon
2023-07-14 12:13                 ` Will Deacon
2023-07-19  2:28                 ` Elliot Berman
2023-07-19  2:28                   ` Elliot Berman
2023-07-20 10:39                   ` Will Deacon
2023-07-20 10:39                     ` Will Deacon
2023-06-13 17:54         ` Elliot Berman
2023-06-13 17:54           ` Elliot Berman
2023-06-05 19:48   ` Alex Elder
2023-06-05 19:48     ` Alex Elder
2023-05-09 20:47 ` [PATCH v13 11/24] gunyah: vm_mgr: Add ioctls to support basic non-proxy VM boot Elliot Berman
2023-06-05 19:48   ` Alex Elder
2023-06-05 19:48     ` Alex Elder
2023-05-09 20:47 ` [PATCH v13 12/24] samples: Add sample userspace Gunyah VM Manager Elliot Berman
2023-06-05 19:48   ` Alex Elder
2023-06-05 19:48     ` Alex Elder
2023-05-09 20:47 ` [PATCH v13 13/24] gunyah: rsc_mgr: Add platform ops on mem_lend/mem_reclaim Elliot Berman
2023-06-05 19:48   ` Alex Elder
2023-06-05 19:48     ` Alex Elder
2023-05-09 20:47 ` [PATCH v13 14/24] virt: gunyah: Add Qualcomm Gunyah platform ops Elliot Berman
2023-06-05 19:48   ` Alex Elder
2023-06-05 19:48     ` Alex Elder
2023-06-07 15:55     ` Elliot Berman
2023-06-07 15:55       ` Elliot Berman
2023-05-09 20:47 ` [PATCH v13 15/24] docs: gunyah: Document Gunyah VM Manager Elliot Berman
2023-06-05 19:49   ` Alex Elder
2023-06-05 19:49     ` Alex Elder
2023-05-09 20:47 ` [PATCH v13 16/24] virt: gunyah: Translate gh_rm_hyp_resource into gunyah_resource Elliot Berman
2023-06-05 19:49   ` Alex Elder
2023-06-05 19:49     ` Alex Elder
2023-06-09 20:00     ` Elliot Berman
2023-06-09 20:00       ` Elliot Berman
2023-05-09 20:47 ` [PATCH v13 17/24] gunyah: vm_mgr: Add framework for VM Functions Elliot Berman
2023-06-05 19:49   ` Alex Elder
2023-06-05 19:49     ` Alex Elder
2023-06-09 19:49     ` Elliot Berman
2023-06-09 19:49       ` Elliot Berman
2023-06-12 12:57       ` Alex Elder
2023-05-09 20:47 ` [PATCH v13 18/24] virt: gunyah: Add resource tickets Elliot Berman
2023-06-05 19:49   ` Alex Elder
2023-06-05 19:49     ` Alex Elder
2023-05-09 20:47 ` [PATCH v13 19/24] virt: gunyah: Add IO handlers Elliot Berman
2023-06-05 19:50   ` Alex Elder
2023-06-05 19:50     ` Alex Elder
2023-05-09 20:47 ` [PATCH v13 20/24] virt: gunyah: Add proxy-scheduled vCPUs Elliot Berman
2023-06-05 19:50   ` Alex Elder
2023-06-05 19:50     ` Alex Elder
2023-05-09 20:47 ` [PATCH v13 21/24] virt: gunyah: Add hypercalls for sending doorbell Elliot Berman
2023-06-05 19:50   ` Alex Elder
2023-06-05 19:50     ` Alex Elder
2023-05-09 20:47 ` [PATCH v13 22/24] virt: gunyah: Add irqfd interface Elliot Berman
2023-06-05 19:50   ` Alex Elder
2023-06-05 19:50     ` Alex Elder
2023-06-09 18:22     ` Elliot Berman
2023-06-09 18:22       ` Elliot Berman
2023-06-09 18:28       ` Alex Elder
2023-06-09 18:28         ` Alex Elder
2023-05-09 20:48 ` [PATCH v13 23/24] virt: gunyah: Add ioeventfd Elliot Berman
2023-06-05 19:50   ` Alex Elder
2023-06-05 19:50     ` Alex Elder
2023-06-09 17:33     ` Elliot Berman
2023-06-09 17:33       ` Elliot Berman
2023-06-09 17:46       ` Alex Elder
2023-06-09 17:46         ` Alex Elder
2023-05-09 20:48 ` [PATCH v13 24/24] MAINTAINERS: Add Gunyah hypervisor drivers section Elliot Berman
2023-06-05 19:50   ` Alex Elder
2023-06-05 19:50     ` Alex Elder
2023-05-24  6:47 ` [PATCH v13 00/24] Drivers for Gunyah hypervisor Dmitry Baryshkov
2023-05-24  6:47   ` Dmitry Baryshkov
2023-05-24 17:13 ` Alex Bennée
2023-05-24 17:13   ` Alex Bennée
2023-06-13 23:02   ` Elliot Berman
2023-06-13 23:02     ` Elliot Berman
2023-06-05 19:47 ` Alex Elder
2023-06-05 19:47   ` Alex Elder

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