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From: "Bae, Chang Seok" <chang.seok.bae@intel.com>
To: Eric Biggers <ebiggers@kernel.org>,
	"dm-devel@redhat.com" <dm-devel@redhat.com>
Cc: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Borislav Petkov <bp@suse.de>,
	"Dave Hansen" <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	"Lutomirski, Andy" <luto@kernel.org>,
	the arch/x86 maintainers <x86@kernel.org>,
	Herbert Xu <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au>,
	"Linux Kernel Mailing List" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux Crypto Mailing List <linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Williams, Dan J" <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
	"Gairuboyina, Charishma1" <charishma1.gairuboyina@intel.com>,
	"Dwarakanath, Kumar N" <kumar.n.dwarakanath@intel.com>,
	"Krishnakumar,
	Lalithambika" <lalithambika.krishnakumar@intel.com>,
	"Shankar, Ravi V" <ravi.v.shankar@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 00/13] x86: Support Key Locker
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2022 21:55:17 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4101B942-6327-49A9-BE8B-9E51F0427F50@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YbqRseO+TtuGQk5x@sol.localdomain>

On Dec 15, 2021, at 17:09, Eric Biggers <ebiggers@kernel.org> wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 13, 2021 at 04:51:59PM -0800, Chang S. Bae wrote:
>> == Disk Encryption Use Case ==
<snip>
>>   $ cryptsetup luksFormat --cipher="capi:xts-aes-aeskl-plain" <device>
> 
> plain64 is supposed to be used these days, not plain.

I see.

>> == Non Use Cases ==
>> 
>> Bare metal disk encryption is the only use case intended by these patches.
> 
> Since dm-crypt is the use case for these patches, you probably should CC this
> patchset to dm-devel@redhat.com so that the dm-crypt developers are aware of it.

Oh, I should have included them. I was not aware of this mailing address.

Hi DM-crypt folks,

Here is the patch series:
    https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20211214005212.20588-1-chang.seok.bae@intel.com/t/

I would appreciate if you give any feedback on this feature’s use case with yours.

>> +-----------+---------------+---------------+
>> | Cipher    |   Encryption  | Decryption    |
>> | (AES-KL)  |    (MiB/s)    | (MiB/s)       |
>> +-----------+---------------+---------------+
>> | AES-CBC   |     505.3     |   2097.8      |
>> | AES-XTS   |     1130      |   696.4       |
>> +-----------+-------------------------------+
> 
> Why is AES-XTS decryption so much slower than AES-XTS encryption?  They should
> be about the same.

Analyzing and understanding this with specific hardware implementation takes
time for us. Will come back and update you when we have anything to share here.

> Also, is the AES-CBC support really useful, given that for disk encryption,
> AES-XTS is recommended over AES-CBC these days?

Yes, we understand that AES-XTS is the primary option for disk encryption.

But it seems that AES-CBC had been used for disk encryption, [1]:

    Comparing XTS to CBC for hard disk encryption
        If a storage device vendor is seeking FIPS 140-2 certification today,
        they will typically use CBC encryption, or even ECB. CBC is a good
        mode, ...

As long as it is factual that the mode was once popular, it can help somebody
who wants to use Key Locker for an old disk image I think.

Thanks,
Chang

[1] https://csrc.nist.gov/CSRC/media/Projects/Block-Cipher-Techniques/documents/BCM/Comments/XTS/XTS_comments-Ball.pdf



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From: "Bae, Chang Seok" <chang.seok.bae@intel.com>
To: Eric Biggers <ebiggers@kernel.org>,
	"dm-devel@redhat.com" <dm-devel@redhat.com>
Cc: "Shankar, Ravi V" <ravi.v.shankar@intel.com>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	Herbert Xu <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au>,
	the arch/x86 maintainers <x86@kernel.org>,
	"Williams, Dan J" <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Krishnakumar,
	Lalithambika" <lalithambika.krishnakumar@intel.com>,
	Linux Crypto Mailing List <linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Lutomirski, Andy" <luto@kernel.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Borislav Petkov <bp@suse.de>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	"Gairuboyina, Charishma1" <charishma1.gairuboyina@intel.com>,
	"Dwarakanath, Kumar N" <kumar.n.dwarakanath@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [dm-devel] [PATCH v4 00/13] x86: Support Key Locker
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2022 21:55:17 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4101B942-6327-49A9-BE8B-9E51F0427F50@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YbqRseO+TtuGQk5x@sol.localdomain>

On Dec 15, 2021, at 17:09, Eric Biggers <ebiggers@kernel.org> wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 13, 2021 at 04:51:59PM -0800, Chang S. Bae wrote:
>> == Disk Encryption Use Case ==
<snip>
>>   $ cryptsetup luksFormat --cipher="capi:xts-aes-aeskl-plain" <device>
> 
> plain64 is supposed to be used these days, not plain.

I see.

>> == Non Use Cases ==
>> 
>> Bare metal disk encryption is the only use case intended by these patches.
> 
> Since dm-crypt is the use case for these patches, you probably should CC this
> patchset to dm-devel@redhat.com so that the dm-crypt developers are aware of it.

Oh, I should have included them. I was not aware of this mailing address.

Hi DM-crypt folks,

Here is the patch series:
    https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20211214005212.20588-1-chang.seok.bae@intel.com/t/

I would appreciate if you give any feedback on this feature’s use case with yours.

>> +-----------+---------------+---------------+
>> | Cipher    |   Encryption  | Decryption    |
>> | (AES-KL)  |    (MiB/s)    | (MiB/s)       |
>> +-----------+---------------+---------------+
>> | AES-CBC   |     505.3     |   2097.8      |
>> | AES-XTS   |     1130      |   696.4       |
>> +-----------+-------------------------------+
> 
> Why is AES-XTS decryption so much slower than AES-XTS encryption?  They should
> be about the same.

Analyzing and understanding this with specific hardware implementation takes
time for us. Will come back and update you when we have anything to share here.

> Also, is the AES-CBC support really useful, given that for disk encryption,
> AES-XTS is recommended over AES-CBC these days?

Yes, we understand that AES-XTS is the primary option for disk encryption.

But it seems that AES-CBC had been used for disk encryption, [1]:

    Comparing XTS to CBC for hard disk encryption
        If a storage device vendor is seeking FIPS 140-2 certification today,
        they will typically use CBC encryption, or even ECB. CBC is a good
        mode, ...

As long as it is factual that the mode was once popular, it can help somebody
who wants to use Key Locker for an old disk image I think.

Thanks,
Chang

[1] https://csrc.nist.gov/CSRC/media/Projects/Block-Cipher-Techniques/documents/BCM/Comments/XTS/XTS_comments-Ball.pdf



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Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-12-14  0:51 [PATCH v4 00/13] x86: Support Key Locker Chang S. Bae
2021-12-14  0:52 ` [PATCH v4 01/13] Documentation/x86: Document " Chang S. Bae
2021-12-14  0:52 ` [PATCH v4 02/13] x86/cpufeature: Enumerate Key Locker feature Chang S. Bae
2021-12-14  0:52 ` [PATCH v4 03/13] x86/insn: Add Key Locker instructions to the opcode map Chang S. Bae
2021-12-14  0:52 ` [PATCH v4 04/13] x86/asm: Add a wrapper function for the LOADIWKEY instruction Chang S. Bae
2021-12-14  0:52 ` [PATCH v4 05/13] x86/msr-index: Add MSRs for Key Locker internal wrapping key Chang S. Bae
2021-12-14  0:52 ` [PATCH v4 06/13] x86/keylocker: Define Key Locker CPUID leaf Chang S. Bae
2021-12-14  0:52 ` [PATCH v4 07/13] x86/cpu/keylocker: Load an internal wrapping key at boot-time Chang S. Bae
2021-12-14  0:52 ` [PATCH v4 08/13] x86/power/keylocker: Restore internal wrapping key from the ACPI S3/4 sleep states Chang S. Bae
2021-12-17 15:42   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2021-12-22  4:58     ` Bae, Chang Seok
2021-12-14  0:52 ` [PATCH v4 09/13] x86/cpu: Add a configuration and command line option for Key Locker Chang S. Bae
2021-12-14  0:52 ` [PATCH v4 10/13] crypto: x86/aes - Prepare for a new AES implementation Chang S. Bae
2021-12-14  0:52 ` [PATCH v4 11/13] crypto: x86/aes-kl - Support AES algorithm using Key Locker instructions Chang S. Bae
2021-12-24 17:42   ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-01-07 18:06     ` Bae, Chang Seok
2021-12-14  0:52 ` [PATCH v4 12/13] crypto: x86/aes-kl - Support CBC mode Chang S. Bae
2021-12-14  0:52 ` [PATCH v4 13/13] crypto: x86/aes-kl - Support XTS mode Chang S. Bae
2021-12-16  1:09 ` [PATCH v4 00/13] x86: Support Key Locker Eric Biggers
2022-01-05 21:55   ` Bae, Chang Seok [this message]
2022-01-05 21:55     ` [dm-devel] " Bae, Chang Seok
2022-01-06  5:07     ` Eric Biggers
2022-01-06  5:07       ` [dm-devel] " Eric Biggers
2022-01-06  6:13       ` Bae, Chang Seok
2022-01-06  6:13         ` [dm-devel] " Bae, Chang Seok
2022-01-06 16:25       ` Milan Broz
2022-01-06 16:25         ` Milan Broz

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