From: Helge Hafting <helge.hafting@aitel.hist.no>
To: Pierre Ossman <drzeus-list@drzeus.cx>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>,
Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
Karim Yaghmour <karim@opersys.com>,
Filip Brcic <brcha@users.sourceforge.net>,
Glauber de Oliveira Costa <glommer@gmail.com>,
Thomas Horsten <thomas@horsten.com>,
linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: GPL V3 and Linux - Dead Copyright Holders
Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 09:14:13 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <43E310D5.8080607@aitel.hist.no> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <43E25B92.8060602@drzeus.cx>
Pierre Ossman wrote:
>This whole DRM:d hardware issue is a bit different though since it seems
>to be moving to a point where it cannot be avoided. "Vote with your
>wallet" fails when there are so few of us that care about these things.
>
>
I do not share this fear. Well, off-the-shelf complete pc's might end
up like
that, demanding a signed OS and so on if we take a very pessimistic
view on the future.
But "vote with your wallet" still works. There is a huge parts market .
You can buy hundreds of brands of motherboards, processors and
add-on cards. Strict DRM will never fly in this market! What if
_one_ manufacturer comes out with a new improved motherboard that only
will boot and run a signed version of windows? No sales!
The guy who build is own computer won't take that sort of thing, he'll
find another manufacturer. Remember the outrage when Intel implemented
cpuID? They were forced to make that optional.
And if one country encourages DRM hw, then other countries will
ramp up non-DRM hw production as the demand rises.
I think the worst that could possibly happen is that cheap complete pc's
found at supermarkets might have some DRM hw in them. Stuff that
we might need a few 30-hour debugging sessions to circumvent. And
so we will be forced to assemble our pc's from parts - the way we
usually do anyway for other reasons.
Helge Hafting
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2006-02-03 8:09 UTC|newest]
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2006-01-20 16:49 GPL V3 and Linux Jeff V. Merkey
2006-01-20 19:11 ` Stephen Hemminger
2006-01-20 19:34 ` Patrick McLean
2006-01-20 18:22 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2006-01-20 18:30 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2006-01-20 19:45 ` Alan Cox
2006-01-25 18:46 ` GPL V3 and Linux - Dead Copyright Holders Marc Perkel
2006-01-25 17:14 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2006-01-25 17:30 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2006-01-25 19:24 ` Marc Perkel
2006-01-25 19:50 ` Kyle Moffett
2006-01-25 20:44 ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2006-01-25 21:20 ` Chase Venters
2006-01-25 22:39 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-01-25 23:26 ` Chase Venters
2006-01-26 17:59 ` Paul Jakma
2006-01-26 16:28 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2006-01-26 18:25 ` Filip Brcic
[not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.64.0601261233150.17225@turbotaz.ourhouse>
2006-01-26 16:55 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2006-01-26 22:54 ` Olivier Galibert
2006-01-27 2:15 ` David Schwartz
2006-01-27 2:23 ` Dave Jones
2006-01-27 2:37 ` David Schwartz
2006-01-27 2:53 ` Dave Jones
2006-01-27 19:50 ` David Schwartz
2006-01-27 3:40 ` Diego Calleja
2006-01-27 7:34 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-01-27 8:09 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-01-27 13:38 ` Olivier Galibert
2006-01-27 19:50 ` David Schwartz
2006-01-27 20:30 ` Olivier Galibert
2006-01-27 21:12 ` David Schwartz
2006-01-27 19:30 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2006-01-27 15:56 ` Roland Kuhn
2006-01-26 18:52 ` Paul Jakma
2006-01-26 18:53 ` Diego Calleja
2006-01-26 18:57 ` Chase Venters
2006-01-26 19:22 ` Marc Perkel
2006-01-26 19:52 ` Chase Venters
2006-01-26 20:04 ` Marc Perkel
2006-01-26 20:21 ` Chase Venters
2006-01-26 20:51 ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2006-01-26 22:28 ` GPL V3 and Linux - V3 adds new restrictions Marc Perkel
2006-01-27 6:58 ` sean
2006-01-27 6:58 ` sean
2006-01-28 4:44 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-01-26 19:33 ` GPL V3 and Linux - Dead Copyright Holders Diego Calleja
2006-01-26 18:57 ` Paul Jakma
2006-01-26 22:16 ` Marc Perkel
2006-01-26 22:23 ` Al Viro
2006-01-28 1:33 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-01-28 19:45 ` Michael Buesch
2006-01-28 19:04 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2006-01-27 10:46 ` Simon Oosthoek
2006-01-27 13:39 ` Al Viro
2006-01-27 14:00 ` Simon Oosthoek
2006-01-27 14:18 ` Olivier Galibert
2006-01-27 14:42 ` Simon Oosthoek
2006-01-27 15:20 ` Al Viro
2006-01-27 15:32 ` Simon Oosthoek
2006-01-27 14:46 ` Chris Bergeron
2006-01-27 14:47 ` Kyle Moffett
2006-01-28 1:53 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-01-28 23:23 ` Horst von Brand
2006-01-28 1:46 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-01-30 7:00 ` Giacomo A. Catenazzi
2006-01-31 23:18 ` David Schwartz
2006-01-28 4:39 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-01-28 4:57 ` Chris Adams
2006-01-28 20:38 ` Simon Oosthoek
2006-01-29 14:30 ` Matthias Urlichs
2006-01-28 15:38 ` Florian Weimer
2006-01-27 21:33 ` Thomas Horsten
2006-01-28 5:38 ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-01-28 8:31 ` Thomas Horsten
2006-01-28 10:37 ` Peter Read
2006-01-30 18:15 ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-01-30 19:43 ` Glauber de Oliveira Costa
2006-01-30 22:00 ` Filip Brcic
[not found] ` <5d6222a80601302012v22196faci3ce81320fb534f30@mail.gmail.com>
2006-02-01 15:30 ` Georg C. F. Greve
2006-02-01 16:32 ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-02-01 22:31 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-02-01 23:43 ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-02-02 0:18 ` Alan Cox
2006-02-02 8:39 ` Pierre Ossman
2006-02-02 9:00 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-02-02 9:32 ` Emilio Jesús Gallego Arias
2006-02-02 10:30 ` Helge Hafting
2006-02-04 17:45 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-02-02 10:46 ` James Bruce
2006-02-02 11:13 ` Emilio Jesús Gallego Arias
2006-02-02 12:31 ` Helge Hafting
2006-02-02 13:31 ` Emilio Jesús Gallego Arias
2006-02-02 16:23 ` Helge Hafting
2006-02-02 11:50 ` David Schwartz
2006-02-02 16:04 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-02-02 17:40 ` Emilio Jesús Gallego Arias
2006-02-02 9:37 ` Pierre Ossman
2006-02-02 14:45 ` Gene Heskett
2006-02-02 14:38 ` Alan Cox
2006-02-02 16:19 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-02-02 17:08 ` Pierre Ossman
2006-02-02 17:44 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-02-02 17:54 ` Pierre Ossman
2006-02-02 18:12 ` Lennart Sorensen
2006-02-02 18:27 ` Pierre Ossman
2006-02-06 16:11 ` Horst von Brand
2006-02-02 18:53 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-02-02 19:20 ` Pierre Ossman
2006-02-02 19:46 ` Mark v Wolher
2006-02-02 19:52 ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-02-02 23:07 ` Pierre Ossman
2006-02-02 23:52 ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-02-03 8:14 ` Helge Hafting [this message]
2006-02-02 18:13 ` Ian Kester-Haney
2006-02-02 18:49 ` Lee Revell
2006-02-02 19:11 ` Christopher Friesen
2006-02-02 19:18 ` Lee Revell
2006-02-05 3:58 ` Luke-Jr
2006-02-05 7:06 ` Zan Lynx
2006-02-06 21:07 ` David Schwartz
2006-02-06 22:38 ` Kyle Moffett
2006-02-07 13:44 ` Luke-Jr
2006-02-07 13:40 ` Luke-Jr
2006-02-03 21:33 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-02-01 16:06 ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-02-02 22:02 ` Pavel Machek
2006-02-02 22:24 ` Lee Revell
2006-02-02 23:04 ` Karim Yaghmour
[not found] ` <1138387136.26811.8.camel@localhost>
2006-01-28 2:06 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-01-28 5:22 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-01-28 6:25 ` Al Viro
2006-01-28 23:14 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-01-30 11:26 ` Alan Cox
2006-01-31 17:57 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-01-31 17:24 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2006-01-31 19:07 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-01-31 18:48 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2006-01-31 20:38 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-01-31 19:57 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2006-02-02 19:52 ` Matan Peled
[not found] ` <3e1162e60602021207o5893055fqe8a20c99ff8a19b6@mail.gmail.com>
2006-02-02 20:29 ` Matan Peled
2006-01-31 21:45 ` Paul Jakma
2006-01-31 21:47 ` Stephen Hemminger
2006-01-31 22:25 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-02-01 6:52 ` Gene Heskett
2006-01-31 22:04 ` Rene Herman
2006-01-31 23:08 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-01-31 23:32 ` Paul Jakma
2006-02-01 0:20 ` Paul Jakma
2006-02-01 14:29 ` Rene Herman
2006-02-01 22:13 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-02-01 23:29 ` Rene Herman
2006-02-02 0:01 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-02-02 0:16 ` Alan Cox
2006-02-02 1:08 ` David Schwartz
2006-02-02 9:50 ` Rene Herman
2006-02-02 6:39 ` Andrew James Wade
2006-02-02 6:57 ` Kyle Moffett
2006-02-02 7:11 ` David Schwartz
2006-02-03 3:56 ` Andrew James Wade
2006-02-03 5:35 ` David Schwartz
2006-02-03 13:31 ` Andrew James Wade
2006-02-03 3:35 ` Andrew James Wade
2006-02-03 5:35 ` David Schwartz
2006-02-01 22:46 ` David Schwartz
2006-02-02 12:31 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2006-01-31 23:48 ` Alan Cox
2006-02-01 0:18 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-02-01 0:45 ` Alan Cox
2006-01-31 19:55 ` Marc Perkel
2006-01-31 19:10 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2006-01-31 20:16 ` Marc Perkel
2006-01-31 19:27 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2006-01-31 23:57 ` Alan Cox
2006-02-01 10:01 ` Rogier Wolff
2006-02-01 13:59 ` GPL V3 -- PLEA FOR SANITY Theodore Ts'o
2006-01-31 20:32 ` GPL V3 and Linux - Dead Copyright Holders Diego Calleja
2006-01-31 20:43 ` Josh Boyer
2006-02-01 0:06 ` Alan Cox
2006-02-01 1:02 ` Marc Perkel
2006-01-26 0:53 ` Kurt Wall
2006-01-21 2:27 ` GPL V3 and Linux Alexander Shishckin
2006-01-21 4:08 ` Chase Venters
2006-01-21 5:56 ` Alexander Shishckin
2006-01-21 18:28 ` Chase Venters
2006-01-21 19:01 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2006-01-21 20:43 ` Horst von Brand
2006-01-23 22:10 ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2006-01-24 0:34 ` Chase Venters
2006-01-24 0:52 ` Harald Arnesen
2006-01-24 1:55 ` Ian Kester-Haney
2006-01-24 3:08 ` Kyle Moffett
2006-01-24 9:10 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2006-01-24 15:49 ` Alan Cox
2006-01-24 9:37 ` Wartan Hachaturow
2006-01-24 10:23 ` David Schwartz
2006-01-24 10:38 ` Lee Revell
2006-01-24 13:53 ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2006-01-24 16:13 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2006-01-25 1:21 ` Ian Kester-Haney
2006-01-25 9:42 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2006-01-25 16:02 ` [OT] " Steven Rostedt
2006-01-27 3:10 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-01-27 9:54 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2006-01-27 10:13 ` Bas Westerbaan
2006-01-27 10:25 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2006-01-27 13:29 ` Olivier Galibert
2006-01-27 17:51 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-01-28 11:38 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2006-01-27 2:01 ` Rik van Riel
2006-01-28 20:18 ` Graham Murray
2006-01-23 9:09 ` Helge Hafting
2006-01-23 9:52 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2006-02-02 18:48 GPL V3 and Linux - Dead Copyright Holders Shawn Starr
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