* jffs2 Erase Block Summary overhead
@ 2007-02-15 15:30 Matthieu CASTET
2007-02-19 10:05 ` David Woodhouse
2007-02-19 11:10 ` Indrek Kruusa
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From: Matthieu CASTET @ 2007-02-15 15:30 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: linux-mtd
Hi,
after doing some test on a 64MB nand flash, we see that only 50 MB can
be stored on the filesystem [1]. The extra 10 MB are taken by jffs2 summary.
If we disable jffs2 sumary in the kernel, the 10MB become available.
Is there a way to reduce this overhead ?
20 % seems really big.
May be Centralized Summary [3] give better result ?
What is its status ?
Matthieu
[1]
# time mount /dev/mtdblock3 -t jffs2 /tmp/mnt/ ; time cat
/tmp/mnt/root/file.1 > /dev/null ; du -sh /tmp/mnt; df
real 0m 3.05s
user 0m 0.00s
sys 0m 3.05s
real 0m 0.34s
user 0m 0.01s
sys 0m 0.33s
50.6M /tmp/mnt
Filesystem Size Used Available Use% Mounted on
/dev/mtdblock3 61.5M 60.7M 832.0k 99% /tmp/mnt
[2]
# time mount /dev/mtdblock3 -t jffs2 /tmp/mnt/ ; time cat
/tmp/mnt/root/file.1 > /dev/null ; du -sh /tmp/mnt; df
real 0m 11.30s
user 0m 0.01s
sys 0m 11.28s
real 0m 0.35s
user 0m 0.00s
sys 0m 0.33s
50.6M /tmp/mnt
/dev/mtdblock3 61.5M 51.2M 10.3M 83% /tmp/mnt
[3]
http://www.inf.u-szeged.hu/jffs2/mount.php
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* Re: jffs2 Erase Block Summary overhead
2007-02-15 15:30 jffs2 Erase Block Summary overhead Matthieu CASTET
@ 2007-02-19 10:05 ` David Woodhouse
2007-02-19 10:58 ` Matthieu CASTET
2007-02-19 11:10 ` Indrek Kruusa
1 sibling, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: David Woodhouse @ 2007-02-19 10:05 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Matthieu CASTET; +Cc: linux-mtd
On Thu, 2007-02-15 at 16:30 +0100, Matthieu CASTET wrote:
> after doing some test on a 64MB nand flash, we see that only 50 MB can
> be stored on the filesystem [1]. The extra 10 MB are taken by jffs2 summary.
> If we disable jffs2 sumary in the kernel, the 10MB become available.
>
> Is there a way to reduce this overhead ?
> 20 % seems really big.
There's a lot of redundant information in the summary; I think we could
halve it fairly easily. I don't believe your 20% figure though -- that's
too high. You really can't rely on the output of df.
--
dwmw2
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* Re: jffs2 Erase Block Summary overhead
2007-02-19 10:05 ` David Woodhouse
@ 2007-02-19 10:58 ` Matthieu CASTET
2007-02-19 11:15 ` Matthieu CASTET
0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Matthieu CASTET @ 2007-02-19 10:58 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: David Woodhouse; +Cc: linux-mtd
Hi,
David Woodhouse a écrit :
>
> There's a lot of redundant information in the summary; I think we could
> halve it fairly easily.
That would be great :)
> I don't believe your 20% figure though -- that's
> too high. You really can't rely on the output of df.
>
But the jffs2 layer say "no space left on device", so the it is really full.
For more information on the test procedure, I fill the jffs2 filesystem
with someting like :
"i=0; while true; do dd if=/dev/urandom of=file.$i count=1024;
i=$(($i+1));done"
And I can create only 93 complete files, a incomplete file of 430 KB
(and there should be 4 MB taken file others files).
May be I am on a worse test case ?
If I remove "Erase Block Summary", I can really fill the jffs2 up to
60MB [1] instead of 51MB.
Thanks,
Matthieu
[1]
# time mount /dev/mtdblock3 -t jffs2 /tmp/mnt/ ; time cat
/tmp/mnt/root/file.1 > /dev/null ; du -sh /tmp/mnt; df
real 0m 11.91s
user 0m 0.00s
sys 0m 11.91s
real 0m 0.36s
user 0m 0.01s
sys 0m 0.35s
59.8M /tmp/mnt
Filesystem Size Used Available Use% Mounted on
/dev/ram0 4.4M 4.4M 0 100% /
none 7.0M 16.0k 7.0M 0% /tmp
none 7.0M 16.0k 7.0M 0% /tmp
tmpfs 7.0M 16.0k 7.0M 0% /tmp
/dev/mtdblock3 61.5M 60.9M 640.0k 99% /tmp/mnt
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* Re: jffs2 Erase Block Summary overhead
2007-02-15 15:30 jffs2 Erase Block Summary overhead Matthieu CASTET
2007-02-19 10:05 ` David Woodhouse
@ 2007-02-19 11:10 ` Indrek Kruusa
2007-02-20 8:45 ` Matthieu CASTET
1 sibling, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Indrek Kruusa @ 2007-02-19 11:10 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Matthieu CASTET; +Cc: linux-mtd
Ühel kenal päeval (neljapäev 15 veebruar 2007 5:30 pm) kirjutas Matthieu
CASTET:
> Hi,
>
> after doing some test on a 64MB nand flash, we see that only 50 MB can
> be stored on the filesystem [1]. The extra 10 MB are taken by jffs2
> summary. If we disable jffs2 sumary in the kernel, the 10MB become
> available.
This is interesting. I have a Puppy Linux build within 52MB (ps 512B/ebs 16KB)
and sumtool grows it to 57MB.
JFFS2/device with ps of 2048B/ebs 128KB has much much better compression level
and sum adds ca. 3-4% for this case.
You can play with "dry" mkfs.jffs2 and different page;block sizes/file
counts/file types to get the whole picture. Or read the code ;)
Somebody could put a nice summary table into FAQ with estimated results.
cheers,
Indrek
>
> Is there a way to reduce this overhead ?
> 20 % seems really big.
>
> May be Centralized Summary [3] give better result ?
> What is its status ?
>
> Matthieu
>
> [1]
> # time mount /dev/mtdblock3 -t jffs2 /tmp/mnt/ ; time cat
> /tmp/mnt/root/file.1 > /dev/null ; du -sh /tmp/mnt; df
> real 0m 3.05s
> user 0m 0.00s
> sys 0m 3.05s
> real 0m 0.34s
> user 0m 0.01s
> sys 0m 0.33s
> 50.6M /tmp/mnt
> Filesystem Size Used Available Use% Mounted on
> /dev/mtdblock3 61.5M 60.7M 832.0k 99% /tmp/mnt
>
> [2]
> # time mount /dev/mtdblock3 -t jffs2 /tmp/mnt/ ; time cat
> /tmp/mnt/root/file.1 > /dev/null ; du -sh /tmp/mnt; df
> real 0m 11.30s
> user 0m 0.01s
> sys 0m 11.28s
> real 0m 0.35s
> user 0m 0.00s
> sys 0m 0.33s
> 50.6M /tmp/mnt
> /dev/mtdblock3 61.5M 51.2M 10.3M 83% /tmp/mnt
>
> [3]
> http://www.inf.u-szeged.hu/jffs2/mount.php
>
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* Re: jffs2 Erase Block Summary overhead
2007-02-19 10:58 ` Matthieu CASTET
@ 2007-02-19 11:15 ` Matthieu CASTET
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From: Matthieu CASTET @ 2007-02-19 11:15 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: David Woodhouse; +Cc: linux-mtd
Matthieu CASTET a écrit :
> Hi,
>
> David Woodhouse a écrit :
>> There's a lot of redundant information in the summary; I think we could
>> halve it fairly easily.
> That would be great :)
>
>> I don't believe your 20% figure though -- that's
>> too high. You really can't rely on the output of df.
>>
After an accurate benchmark it is more 15 % than 20%, but it still big.
> But the jffs2 layer say "no space left on device", so the it is really full.
>
> For more information on the test procedure, I fill the jffs2 filesystem
> with someting like :
> "i=0; while true; do dd if=/dev/urandom of=file.$i count=1024;
> i=$(($i+1));done"
> And I can create only 93 complete files, a incomplete file of 430 KB
> (and there should be 4 MB taken file others files).
>
>
> May be I am on a worse test case ?
>
> If I remove "Erase Block Summary", I can really fill the jffs2 up to
> 60MB [1] instead of 51MB.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Matthieu
>
>
> [1]
>
> # time mount /dev/mtdblock3 -t jffs2 /tmp/mnt/ ; time cat
> /tmp/mnt/root/file.1 > /dev/null ; du -sh /tmp/mnt; df
> real 0m 11.91s
> user 0m 0.00s
> sys 0m 11.91s
> real 0m 0.36s
> user 0m 0.01s
> sys 0m 0.35s
> 59.8M /tmp/mnt
> Filesystem Size Used Available Use% Mounted on
> /dev/ram0 4.4M 4.4M 0 100% /
> none 7.0M 16.0k 7.0M 0% /tmp
> none 7.0M 16.0k 7.0M 0% /tmp
> tmpfs 7.0M 16.0k 7.0M 0% /tmp
> /dev/mtdblock3 61.5M 60.9M 640.0k 99% /tmp/mnt
>
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* Re: jffs2 Erase Block Summary overhead
2007-02-19 11:10 ` Indrek Kruusa
@ 2007-02-20 8:45 ` Matthieu CASTET
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From: Matthieu CASTET @ 2007-02-20 8:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Indrek Kruusa; +Cc: linux-mtd
Indrek Kruusa a écrit :
> Ühel kenal päeval (neljapäev 15 veebruar 2007 5:30 pm) kirjutas Matthieu
> CASTET:
>> Hi,
>>
>> after doing some test on a 64MB nand flash, we see that only 50 MB can
>> be stored on the filesystem [1]. The extra 10 MB are taken by jffs2
>> summary. If we disable jffs2 sumary in the kernel, the 10MB become
>> available.
>
> This is interesting. I have a Puppy Linux build within 52MB (ps 512B/ebs 16KB)
> and sumtool grows it to 57MB.
> JFFS2/device with ps of 2048B/ebs 128KB has much much better compression level
> and sum adds ca. 3-4% for this case.
Mine is a ps 512B/ebs 4KB.
> You can play with "dry" mkfs.jffs2 and different page;block sizes/file
> counts/file types to get the whole picture.
I don't get the same result with image generated with mkfs.jffs2 and on
the fly written file :
- with mkfs.jffs2 + sumtool give me only 7 % overhead
- on the fly write give me 15 % overhead
Matthieu
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