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* [RFC PATCH] qemu-options: bring the kernel and image options together
@ 2022-06-22 14:50 Alex Bennée
  2022-06-23  6:22 ` Cédric Le Goater
  2022-06-23 12:43 ` Peter Maydell
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 5+ messages in thread
From: Alex Bennée @ 2022-06-22 14:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: qemu-devel; +Cc: Alex Bennée, Cédric Le Goater

How to control the booting of QEMU is often a source of confusion for
users. Bring the options that control this together in the manual
pages and add some verbiage to describe when each option is
appropriate.

Signed-off-by: Alex Bennée <alex.bennee@linaro.org>
Cc: Cédric Le Goater <clg@kaod.org>
---
 qemu-options.hx | 80 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++-----------
 1 file changed, 62 insertions(+), 18 deletions(-)

diff --git a/qemu-options.hx b/qemu-options.hx
index 377d22fbd8..9b0242f0ef 100644
--- a/qemu-options.hx
+++ b/qemu-options.hx
@@ -1585,13 +1585,6 @@ SRST
     Use file as SecureDigital card image.
 ERST
 
-DEF("pflash", HAS_ARG, QEMU_OPTION_pflash,
-    "-pflash file    use 'file' as a parallel flash image\n", QEMU_ARCH_ALL)
-SRST
-``-pflash file``
-    Use file as a parallel flash image.
-ERST
-
 DEF("snapshot", 0, QEMU_OPTION_snapshot,
     "-snapshot       write to temporary files instead of disk image files\n",
     QEMU_ARCH_ALL)
@@ -3680,12 +3673,51 @@ DEFHEADING()
 
 #endif
 
-DEFHEADING(Linux/Multiboot boot specific:)
+DEFHEADING(Boot Image or Kernel specific:)
+SRST
+There are broadly 4 ways you can boot a system with QEMU.
+
+ - specify a firmware and let it control finding a kernel
+ - specify a firmware and pass a hint to the kernel to boot
+ - direct kernel image boot
+ - manually load files into the guests address space
+
+The last method is useful for quickly testing kernels but as there is
+no firmware to pass configuration information to the kernel it must
+either be built for the exact configuration or be handed a DTB blob
+which tells the kernel what drivers it needs.
+
+ERST
+
+SRST
+
+For x86 machines ``-bios`` will generally do the right thing with
+whatever it is given. For non-x86 machines the more strict ``-pflash``
+option needs an image that is sized for the flash device for the given
+machine type.
+
+ERST
+
+DEF("bios", HAS_ARG, QEMU_OPTION_bios, \
+    "-bios file      set the filename for the BIOS\n", QEMU_ARCH_ALL)
+SRST
+``-bios file``
+    Set the filename for the BIOS.
+ERST
+
+DEF("pflash", HAS_ARG, QEMU_OPTION_pflash,
+    "-pflash file    use 'file' as a parallel flash image\n", QEMU_ARCH_ALL)
+SRST
+``-pflash file``
+    Use file as a parallel flash image.
+ERST
+
 SRST
-When using these options, you can use a given Linux or Multiboot kernel
-without installing it in the disk image. It can be useful for easier
-testing of various kernels.
 
+The kernel options were designed to work with Linux kernels although
+other things (like hypervisors) can be packaged up as a kernel
+executable image. The exact format of a executable image is usually
+architecture specific.
 
 ERST
 
@@ -3725,6 +3757,25 @@ SRST
     kernel on boot.
 ERST
 
+SRST
+
+Finally you can also manually load images directly into the address
+space of the guest. This is most useful for developers who already
+know the layout of their guest and take care to ensure something sane
+will happen when the reset vector executes.
+
+The generic loader can be invoked by using the loader device:
+
+``-device loader,addr=<addr>,data=<data>,data-len=<data-len>[,data-be=<data-be>][,cpu-num=<cpu-num>]``
+
+there is also the guest loader which operates in a similar way but
+tweaks the DTB so a hypervisor loaded via ``-kernel`` can find where
+the guest image is:
+
+``-device guest-loader,addr=<addr>[,kernel=<path>,[bootargs=<arguments>]][,initrd=<path>]``
+
+ERST
+
 DEFHEADING()
 
 DEFHEADING(Debug/Expert options:)
@@ -4175,13 +4226,6 @@ SRST
     To list all the data directories, use ``-L help``.
 ERST
 
-DEF("bios", HAS_ARG, QEMU_OPTION_bios, \
-    "-bios file      set the filename for the BIOS\n", QEMU_ARCH_ALL)
-SRST
-``-bios file``
-    Set the filename for the BIOS.
-ERST
-
 DEF("enable-kvm", 0, QEMU_OPTION_enable_kvm, \
     "-enable-kvm     enable KVM full virtualization support\n",
     QEMU_ARCH_ARM | QEMU_ARCH_I386 | QEMU_ARCH_MIPS | QEMU_ARCH_PPC |
-- 
2.30.2



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* Re: [RFC PATCH] qemu-options: bring the kernel and image options together
  2022-06-22 14:50 [RFC PATCH] qemu-options: bring the kernel and image options together Alex Bennée
@ 2022-06-23  6:22 ` Cédric Le Goater
  2022-06-23 10:21   ` Alex Bennée
  2022-06-23 12:43 ` Peter Maydell
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread
From: Cédric Le Goater @ 2022-06-23  6:22 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Alex Bennée, qemu-devel

On 6/22/22 16:50, Alex Bennée wrote:
> How to control the booting of QEMU is often a source of confusion for
> users. Bring the options that control this together in the manual
> pages and add some verbiage to describe when each option is
> appropriate.
> 
> Signed-off-by: Alex Bennée <alex.bennee@linaro.org>
> Cc: Cédric Le Goater <clg@kaod.org>
> ---
>   qemu-options.hx | 80 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++-----------
>   1 file changed, 62 insertions(+), 18 deletions(-)
> 
> diff --git a/qemu-options.hx b/qemu-options.hx
> index 377d22fbd8..9b0242f0ef 100644
> --- a/qemu-options.hx
> +++ b/qemu-options.hx
> @@ -1585,13 +1585,6 @@ SRST
>       Use file as SecureDigital card image.
>   ERST
>   
> -DEF("pflash", HAS_ARG, QEMU_OPTION_pflash,
> -    "-pflash file    use 'file' as a parallel flash image\n", QEMU_ARCH_ALL)
> -SRST
> -``-pflash file``
> -    Use file as a parallel flash image.
> -ERST
> ->   DEF("snapshot", 0, QEMU_OPTION_snapshot,
>       "-snapshot       write to temporary files instead of disk image files\n",
>       QEMU_ARCH_ALL)
> @@ -3680,12 +3673,51 @@ DEFHEADING()
>   
>   #endif
>   
> -DEFHEADING(Linux/Multiboot boot specific:)
> +DEFHEADING(Boot Image or Kernel specific:)
> +SRST
> +There are broadly 4 ways you can boot a system with QEMU.
> +
> + - specify a firmware and let it control finding a kernel
> + - specify a firmware and pass a hint to the kernel to boot
> + - direct kernel image boot
> + - manually load files into the guests address space
> +
> +The last method is useful for quickly testing kernels but as there is
> +no firmware to pass configuration information to the kernel it must
> +either be built for the exact configuration or be handed a DTB blob
> +which tells the kernel what drivers it needs.

The last method can also load any FW blob with the correct executable
layout (reset vector).


> +
> +ERST
> +
> +SRST
> +
> +For x86 machines ``-bios`` will generally do the right thing with
> +whatever it is given. For non-x86 machines the more strict ``-pflash``
> +option needs an image that is sized for the flash device for the given
> +machine type.

Some ppc machine use -bios also, mac, pseries, PowerNV (let's not restrict
to x86).


LGTM.

Thanks,

C.


> +
> +ERST
> +
> +DEF("bios", HAS_ARG, QEMU_OPTION_bios, \
> +    "-bios file      set the filename for the BIOS\n", QEMU_ARCH_ALL)
> +SRST
> +``-bios file``
> +    Set the filename for the BIOS.
> +ERST
> +
> +DEF("pflash", HAS_ARG, QEMU_OPTION_pflash,
> +    "-pflash file    use 'file' as a parallel flash image\n", QEMU_ARCH_ALL)
> +SRST
> +``-pflash file``
> +    Use file as a parallel flash image.
> +ERST
> +
>   SRST
> -When using these options, you can use a given Linux or Multiboot kernel
> -without installing it in the disk image. It can be useful for easier
> -testing of various kernels.
>   
> +The kernel options were designed to work with Linux kernels although
> +other things (like hypervisors) can be packaged up as a kernel
> +executable image. The exact format of a executable image is usually
> +architecture specific.
>   ERST
>   
> @@ -3725,6 +3757,25 @@ SRST
>       kernel on boot.
>   ERST
>   
> +SRST
> +
> +Finally you can also manually load images directly into the address
> +space of the guest. This is most useful for developers who already
> +know the layout of their guest and take care to ensure something sane
> +will happen when the reset vector executes.
> +
> +The generic loader can be invoked by using the loader device:
> +
> +``-device loader,addr=<addr>,data=<data>,data-len=<data-len>[,data-be=<data-be>][,cpu-num=<cpu-num>]``
> +
> +there is also the guest loader which operates in a similar way but
> +tweaks the DTB so a hypervisor loaded via ``-kernel`` can find where
> +the guest image is:
> +
> +``-device guest-loader,addr=<addr>[,kernel=<path>,[bootargs=<arguments>]][,initrd=<path>]``
> +ERST
> +
>   DEFHEADING()
>   
>   DEFHEADING(Debug/Expert options:)
> @@ -4175,13 +4226,6 @@ SRST
>       To list all the data directories, use ``-L help``.
>   ERST
>   
> -DEF("bios", HAS_ARG, QEMU_OPTION_bios, \
> -    "-bios file      set the filename for the BIOS\n", QEMU_ARCH_ALL)
> -SRST
> -``-bios file``
> -    Set the filename for the BIOS.
> -ERST
> -
>   DEF("enable-kvm", 0, QEMU_OPTION_enable_kvm, \
>       "-enable-kvm     enable KVM full virtualization support\n",
>       QEMU_ARCH_ARM | QEMU_ARCH_I386 | QEMU_ARCH_MIPS | QEMU_ARCH_PPC |



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* Re: [RFC PATCH] qemu-options: bring the kernel and image options together
  2022-06-23  6:22 ` Cédric Le Goater
@ 2022-06-23 10:21   ` Alex Bennée
  2022-06-28  6:11     ` Cédric Le Goater
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread
From: Alex Bennée @ 2022-06-23 10:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Cédric Le Goater; +Cc: qemu-devel


Cédric Le Goater <clg@kaod.org> writes:

> On 6/22/22 16:50, Alex Bennée wrote:
>> How to control the booting of QEMU is often a source of confusion for
>> users. Bring the options that control this together in the manual
>> pages and add some verbiage to describe when each option is
>> appropriate.
>> Signed-off-by: Alex Bennée <alex.bennee@linaro.org>
>> Cc: Cédric Le Goater <clg@kaod.org>
>> ---
>>   qemu-options.hx | 80 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++-----------
>>   1 file changed, 62 insertions(+), 18 deletions(-)
>> diff --git a/qemu-options.hx b/qemu-options.hx
>> index 377d22fbd8..9b0242f0ef 100644
>> --- a/qemu-options.hx
>> +++ b/qemu-options.hx
>> @@ -1585,13 +1585,6 @@ SRST
>>       Use file as SecureDigital card image.
>>   ERST
>>   -DEF("pflash", HAS_ARG, QEMU_OPTION_pflash,
>> -    "-pflash file    use 'file' as a parallel flash image\n", QEMU_ARCH_ALL)
>> -SRST
>> -``-pflash file``
>> -    Use file as a parallel flash image.
>> -ERST
>> ->   DEF("snapshot", 0, QEMU_OPTION_snapshot,
>>       "-snapshot       write to temporary files instead of disk image files\n",
>>       QEMU_ARCH_ALL)
>> @@ -3680,12 +3673,51 @@ DEFHEADING()
>>     #endif
>>   -DEFHEADING(Linux/Multiboot boot specific:)
>> +DEFHEADING(Boot Image or Kernel specific:)
>> +SRST
>> +There are broadly 4 ways you can boot a system with QEMU.
>> +
>> + - specify a firmware and let it control finding a kernel
>> + - specify a firmware and pass a hint to the kernel to boot
>> + - direct kernel image boot
>> + - manually load files into the guests address space
>> +
>> +The last method is useful for quickly testing kernels but as there is
>> +no firmware to pass configuration information to the kernel it must
>> +either be built for the exact configuration or be handed a DTB blob
>> +which tells the kernel what drivers it needs.
>
> The last method can also load any FW blob with the correct executable
> layout (reset vector).

Heh - actually I wrote that paragraph for the direct kernel image boot
and then added the manual option after the fact. I'll try and clean that
up to make it clearer.

>
>> +
>> +ERST
>> +
>> +SRST
>> +
>> +For x86 machines ``-bios`` will generally do the right thing with
>> +whatever it is given. For non-x86 machines the more strict ``-pflash``
>> +option needs an image that is sized for the flash device for the given
>> +machine type.
>
> Some ppc machine use -bios also, mac, pseries, PowerNV (let's not restrict
> to x86).

Ahh the magic some ;-) Does it essentially rely on if the correct
plumbing has been done for the machine? Anything I can look for to audit
other machine types?

>
>
> LGTM.
>
> Thanks,
>
> C.
>
>
>> +
>> +ERST
>> +
>> +DEF("bios", HAS_ARG, QEMU_OPTION_bios, \
>> +    "-bios file      set the filename for the BIOS\n", QEMU_ARCH_ALL)
>> +SRST
>> +``-bios file``
>> +    Set the filename for the BIOS.
>> +ERST
>> +
>> +DEF("pflash", HAS_ARG, QEMU_OPTION_pflash,
>> +    "-pflash file    use 'file' as a parallel flash image\n", QEMU_ARCH_ALL)
>> +SRST
>> +``-pflash file``
>> +    Use file as a parallel flash image.
>> +ERST
>> +
>>   SRST
>> -When using these options, you can use a given Linux or Multiboot kernel
>> -without installing it in the disk image. It can be useful for easier
>> -testing of various kernels.
>>   +The kernel options were designed to work with Linux kernels
>> although
>> +other things (like hypervisors) can be packaged up as a kernel
>> +executable image. The exact format of a executable image is usually
>> +architecture specific.
>>   ERST
>>   @@ -3725,6 +3757,25 @@ SRST
>>       kernel on boot.
>>   ERST
>>   +SRST
>> +
>> +Finally you can also manually load images directly into the address
>> +space of the guest. This is most useful for developers who already
>> +know the layout of their guest and take care to ensure something sane
>> +will happen when the reset vector executes.
>> +
>> +The generic loader can be invoked by using the loader device:
>> +
>> +``-device loader,addr=<addr>,data=<data>,data-len=<data-len>[,data-be=<data-be>][,cpu-num=<cpu-num>]``
>> +
>> +there is also the guest loader which operates in a similar way but
>> +tweaks the DTB so a hypervisor loaded via ``-kernel`` can find where
>> +the guest image is:
>> +
>> +``-device guest-loader,addr=<addr>[,kernel=<path>,[bootargs=<arguments>]][,initrd=<path>]``
>> +ERST
>> +
>>   DEFHEADING()
>>     DEFHEADING(Debug/Expert options:)
>> @@ -4175,13 +4226,6 @@ SRST
>>       To list all the data directories, use ``-L help``.
>>   ERST
>>   -DEF("bios", HAS_ARG, QEMU_OPTION_bios, \
>> -    "-bios file      set the filename for the BIOS\n", QEMU_ARCH_ALL)
>> -SRST
>> -``-bios file``
>> -    Set the filename for the BIOS.
>> -ERST
>> -
>>   DEF("enable-kvm", 0, QEMU_OPTION_enable_kvm, \
>>       "-enable-kvm     enable KVM full virtualization support\n",
>>       QEMU_ARCH_ARM | QEMU_ARCH_I386 | QEMU_ARCH_MIPS | QEMU_ARCH_PPC |


-- 
Alex Bennée


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* Re: [RFC PATCH] qemu-options: bring the kernel and image options together
  2022-06-22 14:50 [RFC PATCH] qemu-options: bring the kernel and image options together Alex Bennée
  2022-06-23  6:22 ` Cédric Le Goater
@ 2022-06-23 12:43 ` Peter Maydell
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 5+ messages in thread
From: Peter Maydell @ 2022-06-23 12:43 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Alex Bennée; +Cc: qemu-devel, Cédric Le Goater

On Wed, 22 Jun 2022 at 15:53, Alex Bennée <alex.bennee@linaro.org> wrote:
>
> How to control the booting of QEMU is often a source of confusion for
> users. Bring the options that control this together in the manual
> pages and add some verbiage to describe when each option is
> appropriate.

https://stackoverflow.com/a/58434837/4499941 is my answer to
this common user question, though it's a bit more conversational
in tone than we want for the manual :-)

> Signed-off-by: Alex Bennée <alex.bennee@linaro.org>
> Cc: Cédric Le Goater <clg@kaod.org>
> ---
>  qemu-options.hx | 80 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++-----------
>  1 file changed, 62 insertions(+), 18 deletions(-)
>
> diff --git a/qemu-options.hx b/qemu-options.hx
> index 377d22fbd8..9b0242f0ef 100644
> --- a/qemu-options.hx
> +++ b/qemu-options.hx
> @@ -1585,13 +1585,6 @@ SRST
>      Use file as SecureDigital card image.
>  ERST
>
> -DEF("pflash", HAS_ARG, QEMU_OPTION_pflash,
> -    "-pflash file    use 'file' as a parallel flash image\n", QEMU_ARCH_ALL)
> -SRST
> -``-pflash file``
> -    Use file as a parallel flash image.
> -ERST
> -
>  DEF("snapshot", 0, QEMU_OPTION_snapshot,
>      "-snapshot       write to temporary files instead of disk image files\n",
>      QEMU_ARCH_ALL)
> @@ -3680,12 +3673,51 @@ DEFHEADING()
>
>  #endif
>
> -DEFHEADING(Linux/Multiboot boot specific:)
> +DEFHEADING(Boot Image or Kernel specific:)
> +SRST
> +There are broadly 4 ways you can boot a system with QEMU.
> +
> + - specify a firmware and let it control finding a kernel
> + - specify a firmware and pass a hint to the kernel to boot
> + - direct kernel image boot
> + - manually load files into the guests address space

"guest's"

> +
> +The last method

Do you mean the third method? The last method isn't usually
used to load kernels, but rather bare-metal binaries.

 is useful for quickly testing kernels but as there is
> +no firmware to pass configuration information to the kernel it must
> +either be built for the exact configuration or be handed a DTB blob
> +which tells the kernel what drivers it needs.

This is all somewhat architecture specific: you don't necessarily
need to do either of those if the hardware is probeable.


You should also mention that all of this is board specific.

> +
> +ERST
> +
> +SRST
> +
> +For x86 machines ``-bios`` will generally do the right thing with
> +whatever it is given. For non-x86 machines the more strict ``-pflash``
> +option needs an image that is sized for the flash device for the given
> +machine type.

-bios works for some non-x86 machine types too.

Ideally we would:
 * have all our machine types have some documentation
 * have the documentation for each machine type say whether
   it supports -bios or not, and what it does

> +
> +ERST
> +
> +DEF("bios", HAS_ARG, QEMU_OPTION_bios, \
> +    "-bios file      set the filename for the BIOS\n", QEMU_ARCH_ALL)
> +SRST
> +``-bios file``
> +    Set the filename for the BIOS.
> +ERST
> +
> +DEF("pflash", HAS_ARG, QEMU_OPTION_pflash,
> +    "-pflash file    use 'file' as a parallel flash image\n", QEMU_ARCH_ALL)
> +SRST
> +``-pflash file``
> +    Use file as a parallel flash image.
> +ERST
> +
>  SRST
> -When using these options, you can use a given Linux or Multiboot kernel
> -without installing it in the disk image. It can be useful for easier
> -testing of various kernels.
>
> +The kernel options were designed to work with Linux kernels although
> +other things (like hypervisors) can be packaged up as a kernel
> +executable image. The exact format of a executable image is usually
> +architecture specific.
>
>  ERST
>
> @@ -3725,6 +3757,25 @@ SRST
>      kernel on boot.
>  ERST
>
> +SRST
> +
> +Finally you can also manually load images directly into the address
> +space of the guest. This is most useful for developers who already
> +know the layout of their guest and take care to ensure something sane
> +will happen when the reset vector executes.

We should say that this is the favoured option for "I want to
run a bare-metal binary", and we should also say that this
option works the same way on any architecture and machine.

> +
> +The generic loader can be invoked by using the loader device:
> +
> +``-device loader,addr=<addr>,data=<data>,data-len=<data-len>[,data-be=<data-be>][,cpu-num=<cpu-num>]``
> +
> +there is also the guest loader which operates in a similar way but
> +tweaks the DTB so a hypervisor loaded via ``-kernel`` can find where
> +the guest image is:
> +
> +``-device guest-loader,addr=<addr>[,kernel=<path>,[bootargs=<arguments>]][,initrd=<path>]``
> +
> +ERST
> +
>  DEFHEADING()

thanks
-- PMM


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* Re: [RFC PATCH] qemu-options: bring the kernel and image options together
  2022-06-23 10:21   ` Alex Bennée
@ 2022-06-28  6:11     ` Cédric Le Goater
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 5+ messages in thread
From: Cédric Le Goater @ 2022-06-28  6:11 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Alex Bennée; +Cc: qemu-devel

On 6/23/22 12:21, Alex Bennée wrote:
> 
> Cédric Le Goater <clg@kaod.org> writes:
> 
>> On 6/22/22 16:50, Alex Bennée wrote:
>>> How to control the booting of QEMU is often a source of confusion for
>>> users. Bring the options that control this together in the manual
>>> pages and add some verbiage to describe when each option is
>>> appropriate.
>>> Signed-off-by: Alex Bennée <alex.bennee@linaro.org>
>>> Cc: Cédric Le Goater <clg@kaod.org>
>>> ---
>>>    qemu-options.hx | 80 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++-----------
>>>    1 file changed, 62 insertions(+), 18 deletions(-)
>>> diff --git a/qemu-options.hx b/qemu-options.hx
>>> index 377d22fbd8..9b0242f0ef 100644
>>> --- a/qemu-options.hx
>>> +++ b/qemu-options.hx
>>> @@ -1585,13 +1585,6 @@ SRST
>>>        Use file as SecureDigital card image.
>>>    ERST
>>>    -DEF("pflash", HAS_ARG, QEMU_OPTION_pflash,
>>> -    "-pflash file    use 'file' as a parallel flash image\n", QEMU_ARCH_ALL)
>>> -SRST
>>> -``-pflash file``
>>> -    Use file as a parallel flash image.
>>> -ERST
>>> ->   DEF("snapshot", 0, QEMU_OPTION_snapshot,
>>>        "-snapshot       write to temporary files instead of disk image files\n",
>>>        QEMU_ARCH_ALL)
>>> @@ -3680,12 +3673,51 @@ DEFHEADING()
>>>      #endif
>>>    -DEFHEADING(Linux/Multiboot boot specific:)
>>> +DEFHEADING(Boot Image or Kernel specific:)
>>> +SRST
>>> +There are broadly 4 ways you can boot a system with QEMU.
>>> +
>>> + - specify a firmware and let it control finding a kernel
>>> + - specify a firmware and pass a hint to the kernel to boot
>>> + - direct kernel image boot
>>> + - manually load files into the guests address space
>>> +
>>> +The last method is useful for quickly testing kernels but as there is
>>> +no firmware to pass configuration information to the kernel it must
>>> +either be built for the exact configuration or be handed a DTB blob
>>> +which tells the kernel what drivers it needs.
>>
>> The last method can also load any FW blob with the correct executable
>> layout (reset vector).
> 
> Heh - actually I wrote that paragraph for the direct kernel image boot
> and then added the manual option after the fact. I'll try and clean that
> up to make it clearer.
> 
>>
>>> +
>>> +ERST
>>> +
>>> +SRST
>>> +
>>> +For x86 machines ``-bios`` will generally do the right thing with
>>> +whatever it is given. For non-x86 machines the more strict ``-pflash``
>>> +option needs an image that is sized for the flash device for the given
>>> +machine type.
>>
>> Some ppc machine use -bios also, mac, pseries, PowerNV (let's not restrict
>> to x86).
> 
> Ahh the magic some ;-) Does it essentially rely on if the correct
> plumbing has been done for the machine? 

They rely on finding a reset vector. So yes, the FW should be mapped
where it is expected and have vectors. The machines also know how to
expose kernel/initrd to the FW and the FWs have runtime services.
It's more than a kernel loader.

> Anything I can look for to audit other machine types?

Good question. There are some many ways to start a machine.

The avocado tests should be a good reference and here is a little
tool I use to verify that the PPC machines supported in QEMU boot
correctly :

   https://github.com/legoater/qemu-ppc-boot/blob/main/ppc-boot.sh

Sometime ago, I did a model for a MicroWatt SoC, a POWER9 FPGA
implementation, and I found quite a few ways to boot from some blob.
See :

   https://github.com/qemu/qemu/commit/2f43989f87332c226358c1f3ef7b96d94ba342ca

I guess when FW runtime services are required so is -bios. Else all
these options  :

  -kernel
  -bios
  -device loader
  -drive <flash>

can be used more or less in the same way.

Thanks,

C.


> 
>>
>>
>> LGTM.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> C.
>>
>>
>>> +
>>> +ERST
>>> +
>>> +DEF("bios", HAS_ARG, QEMU_OPTION_bios, \
>>> +    "-bios file      set the filename for the BIOS\n", QEMU_ARCH_ALL)
>>> +SRST
>>> +``-bios file``
>>> +    Set the filename for the BIOS.
>>> +ERST
>>> +
>>> +DEF("pflash", HAS_ARG, QEMU_OPTION_pflash,
>>> +    "-pflash file    use 'file' as a parallel flash image\n", QEMU_ARCH_ALL)
>>> +SRST
>>> +``-pflash file``
>>> +    Use file as a parallel flash image.
>>> +ERST
>>> +
>>>    SRST
>>> -When using these options, you can use a given Linux or Multiboot kernel
>>> -without installing it in the disk image. It can be useful for easier
>>> -testing of various kernels.
>>>    +The kernel options were designed to work with Linux kernels
>>> although
>>> +other things (like hypervisors) can be packaged up as a kernel
>>> +executable image. The exact format of a executable image is usually
>>> +architecture specific.
>>>    ERST
>>>    @@ -3725,6 +3757,25 @@ SRST
>>>        kernel on boot.
>>>    ERST
>>>    +SRST
>>> +
>>> +Finally you can also manually load images directly into the address
>>> +space of the guest. This is most useful for developers who already
>>> +know the layout of their guest and take care to ensure something sane
>>> +will happen when the reset vector executes.
>>> +
>>> +The generic loader can be invoked by using the loader device:
>>> +
>>> +``-device loader,addr=<addr>,data=<data>,data-len=<data-len>[,data-be=<data-be>][,cpu-num=<cpu-num>]``
>>> +
>>> +there is also the guest loader which operates in a similar way but
>>> +tweaks the DTB so a hypervisor loaded via ``-kernel`` can find where
>>> +the guest image is:
>>> +
>>> +``-device guest-loader,addr=<addr>[,kernel=<path>,[bootargs=<arguments>]][,initrd=<path>]``
>>> +ERST
>>> +
>>>    DEFHEADING()
>>>      DEFHEADING(Debug/Expert options:)
>>> @@ -4175,13 +4226,6 @@ SRST
>>>        To list all the data directories, use ``-L help``.
>>>    ERST
>>>    -DEF("bios", HAS_ARG, QEMU_OPTION_bios, \
>>> -    "-bios file      set the filename for the BIOS\n", QEMU_ARCH_ALL)
>>> -SRST
>>> -``-bios file``
>>> -    Set the filename for the BIOS.
>>> -ERST
>>> -
>>>    DEF("enable-kvm", 0, QEMU_OPTION_enable_kvm, \
>>>        "-enable-kvm     enable KVM full virtualization support\n",
>>>        QEMU_ARCH_ARM | QEMU_ARCH_I386 | QEMU_ARCH_MIPS | QEMU_ARCH_PPC |
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