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From: Kumar Gala <galak-sgV2jX0FEOL9JmXXK+q4OQ@public.gmane.org>
To: Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/5] Add smp booting support for Qualcomm ARMv8 SoCs
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2015 10:24:46 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <493B15F8-0EBE-4633-9604-671EF403F36E@codeaurora.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150410100529.GA6854-M2fw3Uu6cmfZROr8t4l/smS4ubULX0JqMm0uRHvK7Nw@public.gmane.org>


On Apr 10, 2015, at 5:05 AM, Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org> wrote:

> On Thu, Apr 09, 2015 at 12:37:06PM -0500, Kumar Gala wrote:
>> This patch set adds support for SMP boot on the MSM8x16 family of Qualcomm SoCs.
>> 
>> To support SMP on the MSM8x16 SoCs we need to add ARMv8/64-bit SCM interfaces to
>> setup the boot/release addresses for the secondary CPUs.  In addition we need
>> a uniquie set of cpu ops.  I'm aware the desired methods for booting secondary
>> CPUs is either via spintable or PSCI.  However, these SoCs are shipping with a
>> firmware that does not support those methods.
> 
> And the reason is? Some guesses:
> 
> a) QC doesn't think boot interface (and cpuidle) standardisation is
>   worth the effort (to put it nicely)
> b) The hardware was available before we even mentioned PSCI
> c) PSCI is not suitable for the QC's SCM interface
> d) Any combination of the above
> 
> I strongly suspect it's point (a). Should we expect future QC hardware
> to do the same?
> 
> You could argue the reason was (b), though we've been discussing PSCI
> for at least two years and, according to QC press releases, MSM8916
> started sampling in 2014.
> 
> The only valid reason is (c) and if that's the case, I would expect a
> proposal for a new firmware interface protocol (it could be PSCI-based),
> well documented, that can be shared with others that may encounter the
> same shortcomings.
> 
> -- 
> Catalin

Does it matter?  I’ve always felt the kernel was a place of inclusion.  Qualcomm choose for whatever reason to not use PSCI or spin table.  You don’t like it, I might not like it, but it is what it is.

- k

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From: Kumar Gala <galak@codeaurora.org>
To: Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>
Cc: linux-arm-msm <linux-arm-msm@vger.kernel.org>,
	Device Tree Mailing List <devicetree@vger.kernel.org>,
	Abhimanyu Kapur <abhimany@codeaurora.org>,
	Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, arm@kernel.org,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/5] Add smp booting support for Qualcomm ARMv8 SoCs
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2015 10:24:46 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <493B15F8-0EBE-4633-9604-671EF403F36E@codeaurora.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150410100529.GA6854@e104818-lin.cambridge.arm.com>


On Apr 10, 2015, at 5:05 AM, Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Apr 09, 2015 at 12:37:06PM -0500, Kumar Gala wrote:
>> This patch set adds support for SMP boot on the MSM8x16 family of Qualcomm SoCs.
>> 
>> To support SMP on the MSM8x16 SoCs we need to add ARMv8/64-bit SCM interfaces to
>> setup the boot/release addresses for the secondary CPUs.  In addition we need
>> a uniquie set of cpu ops.  I'm aware the desired methods for booting secondary
>> CPUs is either via spintable or PSCI.  However, these SoCs are shipping with a
>> firmware that does not support those methods.
> 
> And the reason is? Some guesses:
> 
> a) QC doesn't think boot interface (and cpuidle) standardisation is
>   worth the effort (to put it nicely)
> b) The hardware was available before we even mentioned PSCI
> c) PSCI is not suitable for the QC's SCM interface
> d) Any combination of the above
> 
> I strongly suspect it's point (a). Should we expect future QC hardware
> to do the same?
> 
> You could argue the reason was (b), though we've been discussing PSCI
> for at least two years and, according to QC press releases, MSM8916
> started sampling in 2014.
> 
> The only valid reason is (c) and if that's the case, I would expect a
> proposal for a new firmware interface protocol (it could be PSCI-based),
> well documented, that can be shared with others that may encounter the
> same shortcomings.
> 
> -- 
> Catalin

Does it matter?  I’ve always felt the kernel was a place of inclusion.  Qualcomm choose for whatever reason to not use PSCI or spin table.  You don’t like it, I might not like it, but it is what it is.

- k

-- 
Qualcomm Innovation Center, Inc.
The Qualcomm Innovation Center, Inc. is a member of the Code Aurora Forum,
a Linux Foundation Collaborative Project


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From: galak@codeaurora.org (Kumar Gala)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [RFC PATCH 0/5] Add smp booting support for Qualcomm ARMv8 SoCs
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2015 10:24:46 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <493B15F8-0EBE-4633-9604-671EF403F36E@codeaurora.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150410100529.GA6854@e104818-lin.cambridge.arm.com>


On Apr 10, 2015, at 5:05 AM, Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Apr 09, 2015 at 12:37:06PM -0500, Kumar Gala wrote:
>> This patch set adds support for SMP boot on the MSM8x16 family of Qualcomm SoCs.
>> 
>> To support SMP on the MSM8x16 SoCs we need to add ARMv8/64-bit SCM interfaces to
>> setup the boot/release addresses for the secondary CPUs.  In addition we need
>> a uniquie set of cpu ops.  I'm aware the desired methods for booting secondary
>> CPUs is either via spintable or PSCI.  However, these SoCs are shipping with a
>> firmware that does not support those methods.
> 
> And the reason is? Some guesses:
> 
> a) QC doesn't think boot interface (and cpuidle) standardisation is
>   worth the effort (to put it nicely)
> b) The hardware was available before we even mentioned PSCI
> c) PSCI is not suitable for the QC's SCM interface
> d) Any combination of the above
> 
> I strongly suspect it's point (a). Should we expect future QC hardware
> to do the same?
> 
> You could argue the reason was (b), though we've been discussing PSCI
> for at least two years and, according to QC press releases, MSM8916
> started sampling in 2014.
> 
> The only valid reason is (c) and if that's the case, I would expect a
> proposal for a new firmware interface protocol (it could be PSCI-based),
> well documented, that can be shared with others that may encounter the
> same shortcomings.
> 
> -- 
> Catalin

Does it matter?  I?ve always felt the kernel was a place of inclusion.  Qualcomm choose for whatever reason to not use PSCI or spin table.  You don?t like it, I might not like it, but it is what it is.

- k

-- 
Qualcomm Innovation Center, Inc.
The Qualcomm Innovation Center, Inc. is a member of the Code Aurora Forum,
a Linux Foundation Collaborative Project

  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-04-10 15:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 132+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-04-09 17:37 [RFC PATCH 0/5] Add smp booting support for Qualcomm ARMv8 SoCs Kumar Gala
2015-04-09 17:37 ` Kumar Gala
2015-04-09 17:37 ` [RFC PATCH 1/5] firmware: qcom: scm: Split out 32-bit specific SCM code Kumar Gala
2015-04-09 17:37   ` Kumar Gala
2015-04-09 17:37 ` [RFC PATCH 2/5] firmware: qcom: scm: Add support for ARM64 SoCs Kumar Gala
2015-04-09 17:37   ` Kumar Gala
2015-04-09 17:37 ` [RFC PATCH 3/5] arm64: introduce CPU_OF_TABLES for cpu ops selection Kumar Gala
2015-04-09 17:37   ` Kumar Gala
2015-04-09 21:17   ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-04-09 21:17     ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-04-14 15:52     ` Mark Rutland
2015-04-14 15:52       ` Mark Rutland
2015-04-14 15:52       ` Mark Rutland
2015-04-10 10:28   ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2015-04-10 10:28     ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2015-04-10 10:28     ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2015-04-09 17:37 ` [RFC PATCH 4/5] arm64: smp: move the pen to a header file Kumar Gala
2015-04-09 17:37   ` Kumar Gala
2015-04-09 21:17   ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-04-09 21:17     ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-04-14 19:41     ` Kumar Gala
2015-04-14 19:41       ` Kumar Gala
2015-04-14 15:59   ` Mark Rutland
2015-04-14 15:59     ` Mark Rutland
2015-04-14 15:59     ` Mark Rutland
2015-04-14 19:40     ` Kumar Gala
2015-04-14 19:40       ` Kumar Gala
2015-04-14 19:40       ` Kumar Gala
     [not found] ` <1428601031-5366-1-git-send-email-galak-sgV2jX0FEOL9JmXXK+q4OQ@public.gmane.org>
2015-04-09 17:37   ` [RFC PATCH 5/5] arm64: qcom: add cpu operations Kumar Gala
2015-04-09 17:37     ` Kumar Gala
2015-04-09 17:37     ` Kumar Gala
2015-04-09 21:19     ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-04-09 21:19       ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-04-10 10:08       ` Catalin Marinas
2015-04-10 10:08         ` Catalin Marinas
2015-04-10 10:08         ` Catalin Marinas
2015-04-10 10:39     ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2015-04-10 10:39       ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2015-04-10 10:39       ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2015-04-14 16:29     ` Mark Rutland
2015-04-14 16:29       ` Mark Rutland
2015-04-14 16:29       ` Mark Rutland
2015-04-14 20:51       ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-04-14 20:51         ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-04-15 14:46         ` Catalin Marinas
2015-04-15 14:46           ` Catalin Marinas
2015-04-15 14:46           ` Catalin Marinas
2015-04-14 22:52       ` Al Stone
2015-04-14 22:52         ` Al Stone
2015-04-14 22:52         ` Al Stone
2015-04-15  9:04         ` Mark Rutland
2015-04-15  9:04           ` Mark Rutland
2015-04-15  9:04           ` Mark Rutland
2015-04-15 14:53           ` Catalin Marinas
2015-04-15 14:53             ` Catalin Marinas
2015-04-15 14:53             ` Catalin Marinas
2015-04-15 16:29             ` Al Stone
2015-04-15 16:29               ` Al Stone
2015-04-15 16:29               ` Al Stone
2015-04-10 10:05 ` [RFC PATCH 0/5] Add smp booting support for Qualcomm ARMv8 SoCs Catalin Marinas
2015-04-10 10:05   ` Catalin Marinas
     [not found]   ` <20150410100529.GA6854-M2fw3Uu6cmfZROr8t4l/smS4ubULX0JqMm0uRHvK7Nw@public.gmane.org>
2015-04-10 15:24     ` Kumar Gala [this message]
2015-04-10 15:24       ` Kumar Gala
2015-04-10 15:24       ` Kumar Gala
     [not found]       ` <493B15F8-0EBE-4633-9604-671EF403F36E-sgV2jX0FEOL9JmXXK+q4OQ@public.gmane.org>
2015-04-10 16:10         ` Catalin Marinas
2015-04-10 16:10           ` Catalin Marinas
2015-04-10 16:10           ` Catalin Marinas
2015-04-10 19:06           ` Kumar Gala
2015-04-10 19:06             ` Kumar Gala
2015-04-13  9:41             ` Catalin Marinas
2015-04-13  9:41               ` Catalin Marinas
2015-04-14 14:21               ` Kumar Gala
2015-04-14 14:21                 ` Kumar Gala
2015-04-14 14:21                 ` Kumar Gala
2015-04-14 14:44                 ` Kumar Gala
2015-04-14 14:44                   ` Kumar Gala
2015-04-14 15:45                   ` Mark Rutland
2015-04-14 15:45                     ` Mark Rutland
2015-04-14 15:45                     ` Mark Rutland
2015-04-14 22:32                 ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2015-04-14 22:32                   ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2015-04-14 22:32                   ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2015-04-15 16:17                   ` Lina Iyer
2015-04-15 16:17                     ` Lina Iyer
2015-04-15 16:17                     ` Lina Iyer
2015-04-15 17:35                     ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2015-04-15 17:35                       ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2015-04-15 17:35                       ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2015-04-15 14:27                 ` Catalin Marinas
2015-04-15 14:27                   ` Catalin Marinas
2015-04-14 16:36   ` Mark Rutland
2015-04-14 16:36     ` Mark Rutland
2015-04-14 16:36     ` Mark Rutland
2015-04-14 19:49     ` Kumar Gala
2015-04-14 19:49       ` Kumar Gala
2015-04-14 19:49       ` Kumar Gala
2015-04-14 21:17       ` Catalin Marinas
2015-04-14 21:17         ` Catalin Marinas
2015-04-14 21:17         ` Catalin Marinas
2015-04-14 21:48         ` Rob Clark
2015-04-14 21:48           ` Rob Clark
2015-04-14 21:48           ` Rob Clark
     [not found]           ` <CAF6AEGtoxNrCoxT5n0CXmKMnL-YprJ3DkAuM4Myi87WMxPqBGw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-04-15 13:34             ` Catalin Marinas
2015-04-15 13:34               ` Catalin Marinas
2015-04-15 13:34               ` Catalin Marinas
2015-04-15 15:01               ` Rob Clark
2015-04-15 15:01                 ` Rob Clark
2015-04-15 15:01                 ` Rob Clark
2015-04-16 15:21                 ` Catalin Marinas
2015-04-16 15:21                   ` Catalin Marinas
2015-04-16 15:21                   ` Catalin Marinas
     [not found]                   ` <20150416152121.GE819-M2fw3Uu6cmfZROr8t4l/smS4ubULX0JqMm0uRHvK7Nw@public.gmane.org>
2015-04-16 17:17                     ` Rob Clark
2015-04-16 17:17                       ` Rob Clark
2015-04-16 17:17                       ` Rob Clark
     [not found]                       ` <CAF6AEGt3bf70MUWFU_kqtc8KDR09tMUCkXbqOq0SpOXU44moTg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-04-16 21:39                         ` Catalin Marinas
2015-04-16 21:39                           ` Catalin Marinas
2015-04-16 21:39                           ` Catalin Marinas
2015-04-16 22:03                       ` Matt Sealey
2015-04-16 22:03                         ` Matt Sealey
2015-04-16 22:03                         ` Matt Sealey
2015-04-10 11:03 ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2015-04-10 11:03   ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2015-04-10 11:03   ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2015-04-10 15:25   ` Kumar Gala
2015-04-10 15:25     ` Kumar Gala
2015-04-10 15:25     ` Kumar Gala
2015-04-10 16:07     ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2015-04-10 16:07       ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2015-04-10 16:07       ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2015-04-16 22:08     ` Rob Herring
2015-04-10 20:43 Kumar Gala
2015-04-10 20:43 ` Kumar Gala

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