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From: Gerd Hoffmann <kraxel@redhat.com>
To: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
Cc: qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
	chrisw@redhat.com, kvm@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: [PATCH 2 of 5] add can_dma/post_dma for direct IO
Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 11:27:52 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4961E0A8.5040400@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <494FEE78.6020006@redhat.com>

Avi Kivity wrote:
> Ian Jackson wrote:
>> I think there is continued value in being able to emulate a guest
>> whose physical address space exceeds the virtual address space in the
>> host.  The whole assumption that all guest accessible RAM is mapped at
>> once, contiguously, is I think wrong.
> 
> If Xen has a problem with 64-bit hosts, we can try to
> accommodate it,

Yes, this is the whole point.  Flesh out the DMA api in a way that Xen
can use it.  Large memory guests are only one reason why Xen needs
map/unmap.  The other one is grant table support.

> but to have 32-bit qemu/tcg or qemu/kvm support large
> address spaces is pointless IMO.

You don't have to support that.

I think the DMA api should look like this in the end:

struct qemu_dma_ops {
     map(...);
     xfer(...);
     unmap(...);
};

The qemu/xen implementation would actually map/unmap.

For qemu/tcg and qemu/kvm which has all guest memory permanently mapped
map() would be a guest-physical -> host-virtual address translation and
unmap() would be a nop (or refcount--).

cheers,
  Gerd

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From: Gerd Hoffmann <kraxel@redhat.com>
To: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
Cc: Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
	chrisw@redhat.com, qemu-devel@nongnu.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: [PATCH 2 of 5] add can_dma/post_dma for direct IO
Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 11:27:52 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4961E0A8.5040400@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <494FEE78.6020006@redhat.com>

Avi Kivity wrote:
> Ian Jackson wrote:
>> I think there is continued value in being able to emulate a guest
>> whose physical address space exceeds the virtual address space in the
>> host.  The whole assumption that all guest accessible RAM is mapped at
>> once, contiguously, is I think wrong.
> 
> If Xen has a problem with 64-bit hosts, we can try to
> accommodate it,

Yes, this is the whole point.  Flesh out the DMA api in a way that Xen
can use it.  Large memory guests are only one reason why Xen needs
map/unmap.  The other one is grant table support.

> but to have 32-bit qemu/tcg or qemu/kvm support large
> address spaces is pointless IMO.

You don't have to support that.

I think the DMA api should look like this in the end:

struct qemu_dma_ops {
     map(...);
     xfer(...);
     unmap(...);
};

The qemu/xen implementation would actually map/unmap.

For qemu/tcg and qemu/kvm which has all guest memory permanently mapped
map() would be a guest-physical -> host-virtual address translation and
unmap() would be a nop (or refcount--).

cheers,
  Gerd

  reply	other threads:[~2009-01-05 10:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 111+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-12-12 18:16 [PATCH 0 of 5] dma api v3 Andrea Arcangeli
2008-12-12 18:16 ` [Qemu-devel] " Andrea Arcangeli
2008-12-12 18:16 ` [PATCH 1 of 5] fix cpu_physical_memory len Andrea Arcangeli
2008-12-12 18:16   ` [Qemu-devel] " Andrea Arcangeli
2008-12-12 19:06   ` Anthony Liguori
2008-12-12 19:06     ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2008-12-12 19:26     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-12-12 19:26       ` [Qemu-devel] " Andrea Arcangeli
2008-12-12 18:16 ` [PATCH 2 of 5] add can_dma/post_dma for direct IO Andrea Arcangeli
2008-12-12 18:16   ` [Qemu-devel] " Andrea Arcangeli
2008-12-12 19:00   ` Blue Swirl
2008-12-12 19:00     ` Blue Swirl
2008-12-12 19:18     ` Anthony Liguori
2008-12-12 19:18       ` Anthony Liguori
2008-12-12 20:05       ` Blue Swirl
2008-12-12 20:10         ` Anthony Liguori
2008-12-12 20:10           ` Anthony Liguori
2008-12-12 19:15   ` Anthony Liguori
2008-12-12 19:15     ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2008-12-12 19:37     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-12-12 19:37       ` [Qemu-devel] " Andrea Arcangeli
2008-12-12 20:09       ` Anthony Liguori
2008-12-12 20:09         ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2008-12-12 20:25       ` Gerd Hoffmann
2008-12-12 20:25         ` [Qemu-devel] " Gerd Hoffmann
2008-12-12 19:39     ` Anthony Liguori
2008-12-12 19:39       ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2008-12-13  9:22       ` Avi Kivity
2008-12-13  9:22         ` Avi Kivity
2008-12-13 16:45         ` Anthony Liguori
2008-12-13 16:45           ` Anthony Liguori
2008-12-13 19:48           ` Avi Kivity
2008-12-13 19:48             ` Avi Kivity
2008-12-13 21:07             ` Anthony Liguori
2008-12-13 21:07               ` Anthony Liguori
2008-12-14  6:03               ` Avi Kivity
2008-12-14  6:03                 ` Avi Kivity
2008-12-14 19:10                 ` Anthony Liguori
2008-12-14 19:10                   ` Anthony Liguori
2008-12-14 19:49                   ` Avi Kivity
2008-12-14 19:49                     ` Avi Kivity
2008-12-14 23:08                     ` Anthony Liguori
2008-12-14 23:08                       ` Anthony Liguori
2008-12-15  0:57                       ` Paul Brook
2008-12-15  0:57                         ` Paul Brook
2008-12-15  2:09                         ` Anthony Liguori
2008-12-15  2:09                           ` Anthony Liguori
2008-12-15  6:23                           ` Avi Kivity
2008-12-15  6:23                             ` Avi Kivity
2008-12-15 18:35                       ` Blue Swirl
2008-12-15 18:35                         ` Blue Swirl
2008-12-15 22:06                         ` Anthony Liguori
2008-12-15 22:06                           ` Anthony Liguori
2008-12-16  9:41                           ` Avi Kivity
2008-12-16  9:41                             ` Avi Kivity
2008-12-16 16:55                             ` Blue Swirl
2008-12-16 16:55                               ` Blue Swirl
2008-12-16 17:09                               ` Avi Kivity
2008-12-16 17:09                                 ` Avi Kivity
2008-12-16 17:48                                 ` Anthony Liguori
2008-12-16 17:48                                   ` Anthony Liguori
2008-12-16 18:11                                   ` Blue Swirl
2008-12-16 18:11                                     ` Blue Swirl
2008-12-16 15:57                           ` Blue Swirl
2008-12-16 15:57                             ` Blue Swirl
2008-12-16 16:29                             ` Paul Brook
2008-12-16 16:29                               ` Paul Brook
2008-12-16 16:35                               ` Blue Swirl
2008-12-16 16:35                                 ` Blue Swirl
2008-12-14 17:30       ` Jamie Lokier
2008-12-14 17:30         ` Jamie Lokier
2008-12-13 14:39     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-12-13 14:39       ` [Qemu-devel] " Andrea Arcangeli
2008-12-13 16:46       ` Anthony Liguori
2008-12-13 16:46         ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2008-12-13 16:53         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-12-13 16:53           ` [Qemu-devel] " Andrea Arcangeli
2008-12-13 17:54           ` Andreas Färber
2008-12-13 21:11           ` Anthony Liguori
2008-12-13 21:11             ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2008-12-14 16:47             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-12-14 16:47               ` [Qemu-devel] " Andrea Arcangeli
2008-12-14 17:01               ` Avi Kivity
2008-12-14 17:01                 ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity
2008-12-14 17:15                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-12-14 17:15                   ` [Qemu-devel] " Andrea Arcangeli
2008-12-14 19:59                   ` Avi Kivity
2008-12-14 19:59                     ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity
2008-12-22 16:44                     ` Ian Jackson
2008-12-22 16:44                       ` Ian Jackson
2008-12-22 19:44                       ` Avi Kivity
2008-12-23  0:03                         ` Thiemo Seufer
2008-12-23  1:02                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-12-23  1:02                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-12-23 17:31                           ` Avi Kivity
2008-12-23 17:31                             ` Avi Kivity
2008-12-22 19:46                       ` Avi Kivity
2009-01-05 10:27                         ` Gerd Hoffmann [this message]
2009-01-05 10:27                           ` Gerd Hoffmann
2008-12-13 22:47     ` Anthony Liguori
2008-12-13 22:47       ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2008-12-14  6:07       ` Avi Kivity
2008-12-14  6:07         ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity
2008-12-12 18:16 ` [PATCH 3 of 5] rename dma.c to isa_dma.c Andrea Arcangeli
2008-12-12 18:16   ` [Qemu-devel] " Andrea Arcangeli
2008-12-12 18:16 ` [PATCH 4 of 5] dma api Andrea Arcangeli
2008-12-12 18:16   ` [Qemu-devel] " Andrea Arcangeli
2008-12-12 18:55   ` Blue Swirl
2008-12-12 18:55     ` Blue Swirl
2008-12-12 18:16 ` [PATCH 5 of 5] bdrv_aio_readv/writev Andrea Arcangeli
2008-12-12 18:16   ` [Qemu-devel] " Andrea Arcangeli

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