[Printing-architecture] OpenPrinting Summit 2009: Schedules changed on Thursday, April 9

[Printing-architecture] OpenPrinting Summit 2009: Schedules changed on Thursday, April 9

[Till Kamppeter]

Hi,

on the planning phone meeting for the OpenPrinting Summit yesterday we 
decided on giving more time to the Common Printing Dialog as we expect 
more discussion there. Therefore we will talk about color management 
only up to lunch and directly after lunch we will talk about printing 
from applications for 45 minutes. The rest of the day will be dedicated 
to the Common Printing Dialog. See

https://www.linuxfoundation.org/en/OpenPrinting/OpenPrinting_Summit_San_Francisco_2009

Please upload and link your slides.

    Till

Re: [Printing-architecture] [Printing-summit] OpenPrinting Summit 2009: Schedules changed onThursday, April 9

[Till Kamppeter]

Paul Tykodi wrote:
> I had obtained a travel reimbursement funding commitment, to attend this
> year's OpenPrinting Summit, from one of my customer's specifically related
> to the Color Printing presentation. They saw this portion of the event as
> being something that would provide critical information about bringing color
> printing support to the POSIX compliant operating system space, which would
> be very difficult or potentially impossible to obtain in any other manner.
> 
> I fully support giving more time to discuss the Open Printing Dialog but I
> just wanted to let everyone know the change in schedule may cause me to lose
> my travel funding so that I might have to convert to a telephone participant
> as opposed to an onsite participant.  
> 
> I will confirm to you and LF whether I am still able to personally attend in
> the next day or so.

Did they require from the session to last a certain minimum of hours? We 
still have the session, it is only a little bit shorter. The intentions 
of the sessions do not change and Michael Vrhel's presentation will 
still be done.

    Till

Re: [Printing-architecture] [Printing-summit] OpenPrinting Summit 2009: Schedules changed on Thursday, April 9

[peter sikking]

Till wrote,

> on the planning phone meeting for the OpenPrinting Summit yesterday we
> decided on giving more time to the Common Printing Dialog as we expect
> more discussion there.

ah, cool. thanks.

we did a first round of usability testing today. there were
some interesting and encouraging results.

we will do another round on saturday, with an updated dialog
design and looking at some other aspects.

> Please upload and link your slides.


as always, it is going to be a just-in-time affair, with videos and  
all...

     --ps

         founder + principal interaction architect
             man + machine interface works

         http://mmiworks.net/blog : on interaction architecture

Re: [Printing-architecture] [Printing-summit] OpenPrinting Summit 2009: Schedules changed onThursday, April 9

[Hal V. Engel]

On Wednesday 01 April 2009 09:39:28 am Till Kamppeter wrote:
> Paul Tykodi wrote:
> > I had obtained a travel reimbursement funding commitment, to attend this
> > year's OpenPrinting Summit, from one of my customer's specifically
> > related to the Color Printing presentation. They saw this portion of the
> > event as being something that would provide critical information about
> > bringing color printing support to the POSIX compliant operating system
> > space, which would be very difficult or potentially impossible to obtain
> > in any other manner.
> >
> > I fully support giving more time to discuss the Open Printing Dialog but
> > I just wanted to let everyone know the change in schedule may cause me to
> > lose my travel funding so that I might have to convert to a telephone
> > participant as opposed to an onsite participant.
> >
> > I will confirm to you and LF whether I am still able to personally attend
> > in the next day or so.
>
> Did they require from the session to last a certain minimum of hours? We
> still have the session, it is only a little bit shorter. The intentions
> of the sessions do not change and Michael Vrhel's presentation will
> still be done.
>
>     Till
>

Color management and printing are still in the very early stages at this point 
and I am not sure that having a longer session would buy very much since this 
is not far enough along to dig into it in a detailed way.  Even if it were 
that far along we would need much more time than was originally scheduled to 
work at that level of detail.  

From my point of view I was mostly interested in establishing some basic 
agreements on the CM printing architecture and who the players would be in 
each area so that we would know who our contacts were as this moved forward.  
In addition, some of the CPD time will be spent talking about how color 
management will be exposed to users in the CPD.   At least that was what we 
talked about at the last planning meeting.  So this effectively makes the CPD 
session a color management session as well although this will likely only be 
one part of that session. 

One other thing related to this.  I have listened in to most of the planning 
meetings and also kept abreast of the activity on this list and as is always 
the case when CM is first being considered for a new area or application there 
is a significant amount confusion about what exactly CM is and how it should 
work. This is mostly because adding CM to an existing system is not a trivial 
undertaking and those who work on the system, unless they already have a CM 
background, have a significant learning curve to get past to get to the point 
where they have a basic understanding of how it fits into their system.   One 
of my concerns about the CM sessions at the Summit is that we could get bogged 
down in confusion among participants who have not gotten far enough up that 
learning curve to understand how it should/could all fit together.   If this 
turns out to be a significant issue at the Summit then a longer session will 
not help move things forward.

Hal

Re: [Printing-architecture] [Printing-summit] OpenPrinting Summit 2009: Schedules changed onThursday, April 9

[Till Kamppeter]

Ralph Giles wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 10:20 AM, Paul Tykodi <ptykodi@tykodi.com> wrote:
> 
>> With the previous proposed schedule, the combination of Thursday
>> presentation and potential Friday break-out session, made color printing
>> seem like it was being given almost one whole day of effort at the Summit.
> 
> We're also more interested in the colour and workflow discussions.
> 

What about reserving one breakout for color management already?

    Till

Re: [Printing-architecture] [Printing-summit] OpenPrinting Summit 2009: Schedules changedon Thursday, April 9

[Till Kamppeter]

OK, I will add it.

    Till

George Liu wrote:
> Till, 
> 
> As discussed in the preparation meeting, I'll book 30 minutes time slot
> for my proposal for Common Printing Dialog.
> I'll upload slide in a few days. I think my slide will address a higher
> level view than Lar's slide, I prefer to have the presentation before
> Lars.
> 
> Thanks
> George
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: printing-summit-bounces@lists.linux-foundation.org
> [mailto:printing-summit-bounces@lists.linux-foundation.org] On Behalf Of
> peter sikking
> Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 10:08 AM
> To: Till Kamppeter
> Cc: printing-architecture@lists.linux-foundation.org; Printing-japan;
> 'printing-summit@lists.linux-foundation.org'
> Subject: Re: [Printing-summit] OpenPrinting Summit 2009: Schedules
> changedon Thursday, April 9
> 
> Till wrote,
> 
>> on the planning phone meeting for the OpenPrinting Summit yesterday we
>> decided on giving more time to the Common Printing Dialog as we expect
>> more discussion there.
> 
> ah, cool. thanks.
> 
> we did a first round of usability testing today. there were
> some interesting and encouraging results.
> 
> we will do another round on saturday, with an updated dialog
> design and looking at some other aspects.
> 
>> Please upload and link your slides.
> 
> 
> as always, it is going to be a just-in-time affair, with videos and  
> all...
> 
>      --ps
> 
>          founder + principal interaction architect
>              man + machine interface works
> 
>          http://mmiworks.net/blog : on interaction architecture
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Printing-summit mailing list
> Printing-summit@lists.linux-foundation.org
> https://lists.linux-foundation.org/mailman/listinfo/printing-summit
> 

Re: [Printing-architecture] [Printing-summit] OpenPrinting Summit 2009: Schedules changedon Thursday, April 9

[Till Kamppeter]

George, your talk is added to the schedules now. Feel free to edit the 
title of the talk when you add the link to your uploaded slides.

    Till

George Liu wrote:
> As discussed in the preparation meeting, I'll book 30 minutes time slot
> for my proposal for Common Printing Dialog.
> I'll upload slide in a few days. I think my slide will address a higher
> level view than Lar's slide, I prefer to have the presentation before
> Lars.

Re: [Printing-architecture] [Printing-summit] OpenPrinting Summit 2009: Schedules changed onThursday, April 9

[Till Kamppeter]

Paul Tykodi wrote:
> With the previous proposed schedule, the combination of Thursday
> presentation and potential Friday break-out session, made color printing
> seem like it was being given almost one whole day of effort at the Summit.
> 
> With the new proposed schedule, the effort has dropped below one day and I'm
> waiting to see if that makes a big difference to the customer or not.

Count in also the desktop printing sessions on Thursday afternoon. There 
we will also talk about color management in desktop apps and printing 
dialog.

    Till

Re: [Printing-architecture] [Printing-summit] OpenPrinting Summit 2009: Schedules changedon Thursday, April 9

[Till Kamppeter]

George Liu wrote:
> Thanks for allocating the time slot. I have uploaded the Slide on the agenda page. 
> http://www.linuxfoundation.org/images/7/7a/CommonPrintingDialog_LF09.pdf
> 
> Please feel free to comment.
> 
> Are there anybody from application vendor side to attend the session? I think it would be highly valuable to learn what they think about the project.

Thank you for uploading the slides. This is a nice introduction into the 
subject, so it fits well to be the first part of the session.

I have sent personal e-mails to all participants of the LF Summit who 
had at least one of the words "desktop", "GTK", "Qt", "GNOME", or "KDE" 
in their registrations inviting them to the Thursday afternoon sessions 
of the OpenPrinting Summit.

    Till

Re: [Printing-architecture] [Printing-summit] OpenPrinting Summit 2009: Schedules changedon Thursday, April 9

[Till Kamppeter]

George Liu wrote:
> I checked Linux Collaboration Summit agenda, there's a desktop track (the only desktop track) hold on Thursday afternoon.
> 
> Do you think it's necessary that you ask for a 10 min time slot (4:50 - 5:00pm) in the Desktop track and briefly explain Common Print Dialog / Auto-driver-download / PDF workflow / Color management project, and invite them to attend open printing breakout sessions on Friday morning?

George, thank you for advising me.

All, the desktop-related meetings of the Linux Foundation Summit have 
moved from Thursday morning to Thursday afternoon.

Better than asking the desktop people for a small slot to summarize our 
results is perhaps swapping the Thursday morning and the Thursday 
afternoon in our OpenPrinting Summit schedules, so that the desktop 
experts have free to participate in our meetings about the Common 
Printing Dialog. We could start the Thursday with the dialog, let the 
application printing follow and do the color management in the afternoon.

WDYT? Should we do so?

    Till

Re: [Printing-architecture] [Printing-summit] OpenPrinting Summit 2009: Schedules changedon Thursday, April 9

[Ira McDonald]

Hi Till,

Reversing the whole Thursday schedule (swapping morning and
afternoon topics) seems like a major change that is likely to lose
some Open Printing participation (by phone) on both topics.

I suggest we leave the major topics schedule alone.

Perhaps we could ask the Desktop Architects people to join us in
a dedicated teleconference on Common Print Dialog sometime in
the near future?

Cheers,
- Ira

Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Blue Roof Music/High North Inc
email: blueroofmusic@gmail.com
winter:
  579 Park Place  Saline, MI  48176
  734-944-0094
summer:
  PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI 49839
  906-494-2434



On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 6:35 PM, Till Kamppeter <till.kamppeter@gmail.com> wrote:
> George Liu wrote:
>> I checked Linux Collaboration Summit agenda, there's a desktop track (the only desktop track) hold on Thursday afternoon.
>>
>> Do you think it's necessary that you ask for a 10 min time slot (4:50 - 5:00pm) in the Desktop track and briefly explain Common Print Dialog / Auto-driver-download / PDF workflow / Color management project, and invite them to attend open printing breakout sessions on Friday morning?
>
> George, thank you for advising me.
>
> All, the desktop-related meetings of the Linux Foundation Summit have
> moved from Thursday morning to Thursday afternoon.
>
> Better than asking the desktop people for a small slot to summarize our
> results is perhaps swapping the Thursday morning and the Thursday
> afternoon in our OpenPrinting Summit schedules, so that the desktop
> experts have free to participate in our meetings about the Common
> Printing Dialog. We could start the Thursday with the dialog, let the
> application printing follow and do the color management in the afternoon.
>
> WDYT? Should we do so?
>
>    Till
> _______________________________________________
> Printing-architecture mailing list
> Printing-architecture@lists.linux-foundation.org
> https://lists.linux-foundation.org/mailman/listinfo/printing-architecture
>

[Printing-architecture] URGENT: Wiki attachments of the LF stopped working

[Till Kamppeter]

Hi,

I have asked the participants of the OpenPrinting Summit to upload their 
slides as Wiki attachments. See instructions at the beginning of the 
"Agenda" section of

http://www.linuxfoundation.org/en/OpenPrinting/OpenPrinting_Summit_San_Francisco_2009

Unfortunately, the server seems to have lost connection to the 
attachments. See what you get when clicking on a link to an attachment:

http://www.linuxfoundation.org/en/Images/7/78/CUPS-2008-04-08.pdf

Can you URGENTLY fix this, as our call-in participants will not be able 
to access the slides. Thank you very much in advance.

    Till



George Liu wrote:
> Till,
> 
> I found today that all slides uploaded to the agenda page (From Michael, Glen and me) are not viewable now. The web page gave an error "There is currently no text in this page, you can search for this page title in other pages or edit this page."
> 
> Anything wrong on the wiki?
> 
> George
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ira McDonald [mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 10:37 AM
> To: Till Kamppeter; Ira McDonald
> Cc: George Liu; printing-architecture@lists.linux-foundation.org; Printing-japan; printing-summit@lists.linux-foundation.org
> Subject: Re: [Printing-architecture] [Printing-summit] OpenPrinting Summit 2009: Schedules changedon Thursday, April 9
> 
> Hi Till,
> 
> Reversing the whole Thursday schedule (swapping morning and
> afternoon topics) seems like a major change that is likely to lose
> some Open Printing participation (by phone) on both topics.
> 
> I suggest we leave the major topics schedule alone.
> 
> Perhaps we could ask the Desktop Architects people to join us in
> a dedicated teleconference on Common Print Dialog sometime in
> the near future?
> 
> Cheers,
> - Ira
> 
> Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
> Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
> Blue Roof Music/High North Inc
> email: blueroofmusic@gmail.com
> winter:
>   579 Park Place  Saline, MI  48176
>   734-944-0094
> summer:
>   PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI 49839
>   906-494-2434
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 6:35 PM, Till Kamppeter <till.kamppeter@gmail.com> wrote:
>> George Liu wrote:
>>> I checked Linux Collaboration Summit agenda, there's a desktop track (the only desktop track) hold on Thursday afternoon.
>>>
>>> Do you think it's necessary that you ask for a 10 min time slot (4:50 - 5:00pm) in the Desktop track and briefly explain Common Print Dialog / Auto-driver-download / PDF workflow / Color management project, and invite them to attend open printing breakout sessions on Friday morning?
>> George, thank you for advising me.
>>
>> All, the desktop-related meetings of the Linux Foundation Summit have
>> moved from Thursday morning to Thursday afternoon.
>>
>> Better than asking the desktop people for a small slot to summarize our
>> results is perhaps swapping the Thursday morning and the Thursday
>> afternoon in our OpenPrinting Summit schedules, so that the desktop
>> experts have free to participate in our meetings about the Common
>> Printing Dialog. We could start the Thursday with the dialog, let the
>> application printing follow and do the color management in the afternoon.
>>
>> WDYT? Should we do so?
>>
>>    Till
>> _______________________________________________
>> Printing-architecture mailing list
>> Printing-architecture@lists.linux-foundation.org
>> https://lists.linux-foundation.org/mailman/listinfo/printing-architecture
>>
> 

Re: [Printing-architecture] [Printing-summit] OpenPrinting Summit 2009: Schedules changedon Thursday, April 9

[Till Kamppeter]

So I will keep it as it is. I will announce a phone meeting after the 
Summit, to take place around 2 weeks after the Summit.

    Till


Ira McDonald wrote:
> Hi Till,
> 
> Reversing the whole Thursday schedule (swapping morning and
> afternoon topics) seems like a major change that is likely to lose
> some Open Printing participation (by phone) on both topics.
> 
> I suggest we leave the major topics schedule alone.
> 
> Perhaps we could ask the Desktop Architects people to join us in
> a dedicated teleconference on Common Print Dialog sometime in
> the near future?
> 
> Cheers,
> - Ira
> 
> Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
> Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
> Blue Roof Music/High North Inc
> email: blueroofmusic@gmail.com
> winter:
>   579 Park Place  Saline, MI  48176
>   734-944-0094
> summer:
>   PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI 49839
>   906-494-2434
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 6:35 PM, Till Kamppeter <till.kamppeter@gmail.com> wrote:
>> George Liu wrote:
>>> I checked Linux Collaboration Summit agenda, there's a desktop track (the only desktop track) hold on Thursday afternoon.
>>>
>>> Do you think it's necessary that you ask for a 10 min time slot (4:50 - 5:00pm) in the Desktop track and briefly explain Common Print Dialog / Auto-driver-download / PDF workflow / Color management project, and invite them to attend open printing breakout sessions on Friday morning?
>> George, thank you for advising me.
>>
>> All, the desktop-related meetings of the Linux Foundation Summit have
>> moved from Thursday morning to Thursday afternoon.
>>
>> Better than asking the desktop people for a small slot to summarize our
>> results is perhaps swapping the Thursday morning and the Thursday
>> afternoon in our OpenPrinting Summit schedules, so that the desktop
>> experts have free to participate in our meetings about the Common
>> Printing Dialog. We could start the Thursday with the dialog, let the
>> application printing follow and do the color management in the afternoon.
>>
>> WDYT? Should we do so?
>>
>>    Till
>> _______________________________________________
>> Printing-architecture mailing list
>> Printing-architecture@lists.linux-foundation.org
>> https://lists.linux-foundation.org/mailman/listinfo/printing-architecture
>>
> 

Re: [Printing-architecture] [Printing-summit] OpenPrinting Summit2009: Schedules changedon Thursday, April 9

[Till Kamppeter]

George Liu wrote:
> Till,
> 
> Bin Li, from Ricoh is like to have a short presentation (20 min) for improvement proposal for the auto-driver-download feature in system-config-printer. 
> 
> Can he has a slot on Wednesday afternoon? 

OK, added.

    Till