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From: Ulrich Drepper <drepper@redhat.com>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
Cc: Jamie Lokier <jamie@shareable.org>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: adding proper O_SYNC/O_DSYNC, was Re: O_DIRECT and barriers
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 09:33:29 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4A9806D9.5050409@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090828161745.GA8755@infradead.org>

On 08/28/2009 09:17 AM, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> I'll put it on my todo list.

Any ABI change like this takes a long time to trickle down.

If this is agreed to be the correct approach then adding the O_* 
definitions earlier is better.  Even if it isn't yet implemented.  Then, 
once the kernel side is implemented, programs are ready to use it.  I 
cannot jump the gun and define the flags myself first.


>   - O_RSYNC basically means we need to commit atime updates before a
>     read returns, right?

No, that's not it.

O_RSYNC on its own just means the data is successfully transferred to 
the calling process (always the case).

O_RSYNC|O_DSYNC means that if a read request hits data that is currently 
in a cache and not yet on the medium, then the write to medium is 
successful before the read succeeds.

O_RSYNC|O_SYNC means the same plus the integrity of file meta 
information (access time etc).

-- 
➧ Ulrich Drepper ➧ Red Hat, Inc. ➧ 444 Castro St ➧ Mountain View, CA ❖

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From: Ulrich Drepper <drepper@redhat.com>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
Cc: Jamie Lokier <jamie@shareable.org>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: adding proper O_SYNC/O_DSYNC, was Re: O_DIRECT and barriers
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 09:33:29 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4A9806D9.5050409@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090828161745.GA8755@infradead.org>

On 08/28/2009 09:17 AM, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> I'll put it on my todo list.

Any ABI change like this takes a long time to trickle down.

If this is agreed to be the correct approach then adding the O_* 
definitions earlier is better.  Even if it isn't yet implemented.  Then, 
once the kernel side is implemented, programs are ready to use it.  I 
cannot jump the gun and define the flags myself first.


>   - O_RSYNC basically means we need to commit atime updates before a
>     read returns, right?

No, that's not it.

O_RSYNC on its own just means the data is successfully transferred to 
the calling process (always the case).

O_RSYNC|O_DSYNC means that if a read request hits data that is currently 
in a cache and not yet on the medium, then the write to medium is 
successful before the read succeeds.

O_RSYNC|O_SYNC means the same plus the integrity of file meta 
information (access time etc).

-- 
➧ Ulrich Drepper ➧ Red Hat, Inc. ➧ 444 Castro St ➧ Mountain View, CA ❖
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  reply	other threads:[~2009-08-28 16:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 139+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-08-19 16:04 [PATCH 0/17] Make O_SYNC handling use standard syncing path Jan Kara
2009-08-19 16:04 ` [PATCH 01/17] vfs: Introduce filemap_fdatawait_range Jan Kara
2009-08-19 16:10   ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-19 16:04 ` [PATCH 02/17] vfs: Export __generic_file_aio_write() and add some comments Jan Kara
2009-08-19 16:04   ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Jan Kara
2009-08-19 16:11   ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-19 16:11     ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-20 12:04     ` Jan Kara
2009-08-20 12:04       ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Jan Kara
2009-08-19 20:22   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-08-19 20:22     ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-08-20 12:31     ` Jan Kara
2009-08-20 12:31       ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Jan Kara
2009-08-20 13:30       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-08-20 13:30         ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-08-20 13:52         ` Jan Kara
2009-08-20 13:52           ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Jan Kara
2009-08-20 13:58           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-08-20 13:58             ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-08-19 16:04 ` [PATCH 03/17] vfs: Remove syncing from generic_file_direct_write() and generic_file_buffered_write() Jan Kara
2009-08-19 16:04   ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Jan Kara
2009-08-19 16:04   ` Jan Kara
2009-08-19 16:18   ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-19 16:18     ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-19 16:18     ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-20 13:31     ` Jan Kara
2009-08-20 13:31       ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Jan Kara
2009-08-20 13:31       ` Jan Kara
2009-08-19 16:04 ` [PATCH 04/17] pohmelfs: Use __generic_file_aio_write instead of generic_file_aio_write_nolock Jan Kara
2009-08-19 16:04 ` [PATCH 05/17] ocfs2: " Jan Kara
2009-08-19 16:04   ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Jan Kara
2009-08-19 16:04 ` [PATCH 06/17] vfs: Remove sync_page_range_nolock Jan Kara
2009-08-19 16:21   ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-19 16:04 ` [PATCH 07/17] vfs: Introduce new helpers for syncing after writing to O_SYNC file or IS_SYNC inode Jan Kara
2009-08-19 16:04   ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Jan Kara
2009-08-19 16:04   ` Jan Kara
2009-08-19 16:26   ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-19 16:26     ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-19 16:26     ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-20 12:15     ` Jan Kara
2009-08-20 12:15       ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Jan Kara
2009-08-20 12:15       ` Jan Kara
2009-08-20 16:27       ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-20 16:27         ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-20 16:27         ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-21 15:23         ` Jan Kara
2009-08-21 15:23           ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Jan Kara
2009-08-21 15:23           ` Jan Kara
2009-08-21 15:32           ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-21 15:32             ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-21 15:32             ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-21 15:48             ` Jan Kara
2009-08-21 15:48               ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Jan Kara
2009-08-21 15:48               ` Jan Kara
2009-08-26 18:22         ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-26 18:22           ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-26 18:22           ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-27  0:04           ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-27  0:04             ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-27  0:04             ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-19 16:04 ` [PATCH 08/17] ext2: Update comment about generic_osync_inode Jan Kara
2009-08-19 16:04 ` [PATCH 09/17] ext3: Remove syncing logic from ext3_file_write Jan Kara
2009-08-19 16:04 ` [PATCH 10/17] ext4: Remove syncing logic from ext4_file_write Jan Kara
2009-08-19 16:04   ` Jan Kara
2009-08-19 16:04 ` [PATCH 11/17] fat: Opencode sync_page_range_nolock() Jan Kara
2009-08-19 16:04 ` [PATCH 12/17] ntfs: Use new syncing helpers and update comments Jan Kara
2009-08-19 16:04 ` [PATCH 13/17] ocfs2: Update syncing after splicing to match generic version Jan Kara
2009-08-19 16:04   ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Jan Kara
2009-08-21  1:36   ` Joel Becker
2009-08-21  1:36     ` Joel Becker
2009-08-21 14:30     ` Jan Kara
2009-08-21 14:30       ` Jan Kara
2009-08-19 16:04 ` [PATCH 14/17] xfs: Use new syncing helper Jan Kara
2009-08-19 16:04   ` Jan Kara
2009-08-19 16:33   ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-19 16:33     ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-20 12:22     ` Jan Kara
2009-08-20 12:22       ` Jan Kara
2009-08-19 16:04 ` [PATCH 15/17] pohmelfs: " Jan Kara
2009-08-19 16:04 ` [PATCH 16/17] nfs: Remove reference to generic_osync_inode from a comment Jan Kara
2009-08-19 16:04 ` [PATCH 17/17] vfs: Remove generic_osync_inode() and sync_page_range() Jan Kara
2009-08-20 22:12 ` O_DIRECT and barriers Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-21 11:40   ` Jens Axboe
2009-08-21 13:54     ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-21 14:26       ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-21 15:24         ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-21 17:45           ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-21 19:18             ` Ric Wheeler
2009-08-22  0:50             ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-22  2:19               ` Theodore Tso
2009-08-22  2:31                 ` Theodore Tso
2009-08-24  2:34               ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-27 14:34                 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-27 17:10                   ` adding proper O_SYNC/O_DSYNC, was " Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-27 17:24                     ` Ulrich Drepper
2009-08-27 17:24                       ` Ulrich Drepper
2009-08-28 15:46                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-28 16:06                         ` Ulrich Drepper
2009-08-28 16:06                           ` Ulrich Drepper
2009-08-28 16:17                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-28 16:33                             ` Ulrich Drepper [this message]
2009-08-28 16:33                               ` Ulrich Drepper
2009-08-28 16:41                               ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-28 20:51                                 ` Ulrich Drepper
2009-08-28 20:51                                   ` Ulrich Drepper
2009-08-28 21:08                                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-28 21:16                                     ` Trond Myklebust
2009-08-28 21:29                                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-28 21:43                                         ` Trond Myklebust
2009-08-28 22:39                                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-30 16:44                                     ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-28 16:46                               ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-29  0:59                                 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-28 16:44                         ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-28 16:50                           ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-28 21:08                           ` Ulrich Drepper
2009-08-28 21:08                             ` Ulrich Drepper
2009-08-30 16:58                             ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-30 17:48                             ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-28 23:06                         ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-28 23:46                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-21 22:08         ` Theodore Tso
2009-08-21 22:38           ` Joel Becker
2009-08-21 22:45           ` Joel Becker
2009-08-22  2:11             ` Theodore Tso
2009-08-24  2:42               ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-24  2:37             ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-24  2:37             ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-21 22:45           ` Joel Becker
2009-08-22  0:56           ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-22  2:06             ` Theodore Tso
2009-08-26  6:34           ` Dave Chinner
2009-08-26  6:34           ` Dave Chinner
2009-08-26 15:01             ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-26 18:47               ` Theodore Tso
2009-08-27 14:50                 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-21 14:20     ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-21 15:06       ` James Bottomley
2009-08-21 15:23         ` Christoph Hellwig

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