Terratec Cinergy 600 TV MK3: Problem with Radio/RDS

Terratec Cinergy 600 TV MK3: Problem with Radio/RDS

[Roland Egli]

Hi all

I have the TV card "Terratec Cinergy 600 TV MK3" with SAA7134HL. The 
tuner is a Philips FM1216ME/H-3 and there is an additional RDS decoder 
SAA6588T.

For loading the module I use
$ modprobe saa7134 card=48 tuner=38

TV works fine, but I have a problem with the radio. The sound is very 
noisy, not stereo and there is as well no RDS reception (saa6588 module 
is loaded as well).

The following infos go to the log:
Nov  9 21:33:52 oslo kernel: [ 1667.403249] saa7130/34: v4l2 driver 
version 0.2.15 loaded
Nov  9 21:33:52 oslo kernel: [ 1667.403319] saa7134[0]: found at 
0000:02:0b.0, rev: 1, irq: 23, latency: 64, mmio: 0xfeaff400
Nov  9 21:33:52 oslo kernel: [ 1667.403330] saa7134[0]: subsystem: 
153b:1158, board: Terratec Cinergy 600 TV MK3 [card=48,insmod option]
Nov  9 21:33:52 oslo kernel: [ 1667.403365] saa7134[0]: board init: gpio 
is 50000
Nov  9 21:33:52 oslo kernel: [ 1667.403483] input: saa7134 IR (Terratec 
Cinergy 60 as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1e.0/0000:02:0b.0/input/input7
Nov  9 21:33:52 oslo kernel: [ 1667.403567] IRQ 23/saa7134[0]: 
IRQF_DISABLED is not guaranteed on shared IRQs
Nov  9 21:33:52 oslo kernel: [ 1667.559198] saa7134[0]: i2c eeprom 00: 
3b 15 58 11 ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff
Nov  9 21:33:52 oslo kernel: [ 1667.559225] saa7134[0]: i2c eeprom 10: 
ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff
Nov  9 21:33:52 oslo kernel: [ 1667.559251] saa7134[0]: i2c eeprom 20: 
ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff
Nov  9 21:33:52 oslo kernel: [ 1667.559276] saa7134[0]: i2c eeprom 30: 
ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff
Nov  9 21:33:52 oslo kernel: [ 1667.559300] saa7134[0]: i2c eeprom 40: 
ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff
Nov  9 21:33:52 oslo kernel: [ 1667.559326] saa7134[0]: i2c eeprom 50: 
ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff
Nov  9 21:33:52 oslo kernel: [ 1667.559351] saa7134[0]: i2c eeprom 60: 
ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff
Nov  9 21:33:52 oslo kernel: [ 1667.559376] saa7134[0]: i2c eeprom 70: 
ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff
Nov  9 21:33:52 oslo kernel: [ 1667.559400] saa7134[0]: i2c eeprom 80: 
ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff
Nov  9 21:33:52 oslo kernel: [ 1667.559425] saa7134[0]: i2c eeprom 90: 
ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff
Nov  9 21:33:52 oslo kernel: [ 1667.559450] saa7134[0]: i2c eeprom a0: 
ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff
Nov  9 21:33:52 oslo kernel: [ 1667.559475] saa7134[0]: i2c eeprom b0: 
ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff
Nov  9 21:33:52 oslo kernel: [ 1667.559500] saa7134[0]: i2c eeprom c0: 
ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff
Nov  9 21:33:52 oslo kernel: [ 1667.559524] saa7134[0]: i2c eeprom d0: 
ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff
Nov  9 21:33:52 oslo kernel: [ 1667.559549] saa7134[0]: i2c eeprom e0: 
ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff
Nov  9 21:33:52 oslo kernel: [ 1667.559574] saa7134[0]: i2c eeprom f0: 
ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff
Nov  9 21:33:52 oslo kernel: [ 1667.559602] i2c-adapter i2c-0: Invalid 
7-bit address 0x7a
Nov  9 21:33:52 oslo kernel: [ 1667.592173] tuner 0-0043: chip found @ 
0x86 (saa7134[0])
Nov  9 21:33:52 oslo kernel: [ 1667.592284] tda9887 0-0043: creating new 
instance
Nov  9 21:33:52 oslo kernel: [ 1667.592287] tda9887 0-0043: 
tda988[5/6/7] found
Nov  9 21:33:52 oslo kernel: [ 1667.632092] All bytes are equal. It is 
not a TEA5767
Nov  9 21:33:52 oslo kernel: [ 1667.632309] tuner 0-0060: chip found @ 
0xc0 (saa7134[0])
Nov  9 21:33:52 oslo kernel: [ 1667.646672] tuner-simple 0-0060: 
creating new instance
Nov  9 21:33:52 oslo kernel: [ 1667.646680] tuner-simple 0-0060: type 
set to 38 (Philips PAL/SECAM multi (FM1216ME MK3))
Nov  9 21:33:52 oslo kernel: [ 1667.736118] saa6588 0-0010: saa6588 
found @ 0x20 (saa7134[0])
Nov  9 21:33:52 oslo kernel: [ 1667.744073] saa7134[0]: found RDS decoder
Nov  9 21:33:52 oslo kernel: [ 1667.752207] saa7134[0]: registered 
device video1 [v4l2]
Nov  9 21:33:52 oslo kernel: [ 1667.752276] saa7134[0]: registered 
device vbi0
Nov  9 21:33:52 oslo kernel: [ 1667.752337] saa7134[0]: registered 
device radio0
Nov  9 21:33:52 oslo kernel: [ 1667.768981] saa7134 ALSA driver for DMA 
sound loaded
Nov  9 21:33:52 oslo kernel: [ 1667.769069] IRQ 23/saa7134[0]: 
IRQF_DISABLED is not guaranteed on shared IRQs
Nov  9 21:33:52 oslo kernel: [ 1667.769109] saa7134[0]/alsa: saa7134[0] 
at 0xfeaff400 irq 23 registered as card -2

Does anyone have an idea about the reason for this problem or even 
better a solution?
Does anyone use the same card without problem?

Many thanks in advance.
Roland


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Re: Terratec Cinergy 600 TV MK3: Problem with Radio/RDS

[Hans J. Koch]

On Mon, Nov 09, 2009 at 09:36:45PM +0100, Roland Egli wrote:
> Hi all
>
> I have the TV card "Terratec Cinergy 600 TV MK3" with SAA7134HL. The  
> tuner is a Philips FM1216ME/H-3 and there is an additional RDS decoder  
> SAA6588T.
>
> For loading the module I use
> $ modprobe saa7134 card=48 tuner=38
>
> TV works fine, but I have a problem with the radio. The sound is very  
> noisy, not stereo and there is as well no RDS reception (saa6588 module  
> is loaded as well).

For RDS reception, you need a strong signal since the RDS carrier's
level is well below the audio carrier level. Your only chance is to
improve reception. What kind of antenna are you using? Are you sure it's
connected to the _radio_ antenna jack and not the TV?

Thanks,
Hans

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Re: Terratec Cinergy 600 TV MK3: Problem with Radio/RDS

[hermann pitton]

Hi,

Am Dienstag, den 10.11.2009, 15:50 +0100 schrieb Hans J. Koch:
> On Mon, Nov 09, 2009 at 09:36:45PM +0100, Roland Egli wrote:
> > Hi all
> >
> > I have the TV card "Terratec Cinergy 600 TV MK3" with SAA7134HL. The  
> > tuner is a Philips FM1216ME/H-3 and there is an additional RDS decoder  
> > SAA6588T.
> >
> > For loading the module I use
> > $ modprobe saa7134 card=48 tuner=38
> >
> > TV works fine, but I have a problem with the radio. The sound is very  
> > noisy, not stereo and there is as well no RDS reception (saa6588 module  
> > is loaded as well).
> 
> For RDS reception, you need a strong signal since the RDS carrier's
> level is well below the audio carrier level. Your only chance is to
> improve reception. What kind of antenna are you using? Are you sure it's
> connected to the _radio_ antenna jack and not the TV?
> 
> Thanks,
> Hans
> 

Hans, for what I know it makes no difference on that tuner, if radio
comes in from the TV antenna connector or from the radio connector.

At least we don't have some dedicated separating RF input switch for
that.

For example, the other way round, if you have a cable TV provider also
providing radio, and radio freqs are not filtered from the TV input
connected, radio will just work fine from the TV antenna connector and
likely are all stereo. I can't tell anything for RDS.

If you now also connect that cheap rabbit ears antenna mostly coming
with such cards, this might lead to overlapping frequencies noticed as
too much noise on radio. Maybe we still miss something, but it is not in
the tuner specs.

Me and one single other guy reported loud thrilling noise for radio if
tuned into off on later driver revisions. I'm still not sure, if it is
only caused by machine specific interferences, a network cable had some
impact on it, but I saw/heard it later also on FMD hybrid devices on a
different machine.

To connect the rabbit ears to the radio antenna connector will turn that
annoying noise into normal static. On that FMD hybrid you usually will
have the better radio reception from a roof mounted antenna for DVB-T
and there is also no active RF input switching like we only saw it later
on silicon hybrid devices.

For radio stereo it needs still some v4l2 app and kradio and mplayer
with v4l2 radio support are still the best candidates, but I'm not on
latest on radio apps around currently.

Reception improvement is of course still the best key for all.

Thanks,
Hermann



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Re: Terratec Cinergy 600 TV MK3: Problem with Radio/RDS

[Roland Egli]

hermann pitton wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Am Dienstag, den 10.11.2009, 15:50 +0100 schrieb Hans J. Koch:
>   
>> On Mon, Nov 09, 2009 at 09:36:45PM +0100, Roland Egli wrote:
>>     
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> I have the TV card "Terratec Cinergy 600 TV MK3" with SAA7134HL. The  
>>> tuner is a Philips FM1216ME/H-3 and there is an additional RDS decoder  
>>> SAA6588T.
>>>
>>> For loading the module I use
>>> $ modprobe saa7134 card=48 tuner=38
>>>
>>> TV works fine, but I have a problem with the radio. The sound is very  
>>> noisy, not stereo and there is as well no RDS reception (saa6588 module  
>>> is loaded as well).
>>>       
>> For RDS reception, you need a strong signal since the RDS carrier's
>> level is well below the audio carrier level. Your only chance is to
>> improve reception. What kind of antenna are you using? Are you sure it's
>> connected to the _radio_ antenna jack and not the TV?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Hans
>>
>>     
>
> Hans, for what I know it makes no difference on that tuner, if radio
> comes in from the TV antenna connector or from the radio connector.
>
> At least we don't have some dedicated separating RF input switch for
> that.
>
> For example, the other way round, if you have a cable TV provider also
> providing radio, and radio freqs are not filtered from the TV input
> connected, radio will just work fine from the TV antenna connector and
> likely are all stereo. I can't tell anything for RDS.
>
> If you now also connect that cheap rabbit ears antenna mostly coming
> with such cards, this might lead to overlapping frequencies noticed as
> too much noise on radio. Maybe we still miss something, but it is not in
> the tuner specs.
>
> Me and one single other guy reported loud thrilling noise for radio if
> tuned into off on later driver revisions. I'm still not sure, if it is
> only caused by machine specific interferences, a network cable had some
> impact on it, but I saw/heard it later also on FMD hybrid devices on a
> different machine.
>
> To connect the rabbit ears to the radio antenna connector will turn that
> annoying noise into normal static. On that FMD hybrid you usually will
> have the better radio reception from a roof mounted antenna for DVB-T
> and there is also no active RF input switching like we only saw it later
> on silicon hybrid devices.
>
> For radio stereo it needs still some v4l2 app and kradio and mplayer
> with v4l2 radio support are still the best candidates, but I'm not on
> latest on radio apps around currently.
>
> Reception improvement is of course still the best key for all.
>
> Thanks,
> Hermann
>
>
>   
Thanks for the answers and your further quesions, which I can answer here:
- I receive Radio and TV via cable, so the signal strength is ok (for 
stereo and rds)
- There are no frequency-filters so the tuner gets the whole bandwith
- In Windows with the original Terratec-SW everything (incl. RDS) works 
fine.

So I assume, there must be a problem in the driver in the area of radio.

Thanks for further help in advance.
Roland


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Re: Terratec Cinergy 600 TV MK3: Problem with Radio/RDS

[hermann pitton]

Hi,

Am Donnerstag, den 12.11.2009, 21:35 +0100 schrieb Roland Egli:
> hermann pitton wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Am Dienstag, den 10.11.2009, 15:50 +0100 schrieb Hans J. Koch:
> >   
> >> On Mon, Nov 09, 2009 at 09:36:45PM +0100, Roland Egli wrote:
> >>     
> >>> Hi all
> >>>
> >>> I have the TV card "Terratec Cinergy 600 TV MK3" with SAA7134HL. The  
> >>> tuner is a Philips FM1216ME/H-3 and there is an additional RDS decoder  
> >>> SAA6588T.
> >>>
> >>> For loading the module I use
> >>> $ modprobe saa7134 card=48 tuner=38
> >>>
> >>> TV works fine, but I have a problem with the radio. The sound is very  
> >>> noisy, not stereo and there is as well no RDS reception (saa6588 module  
> >>> is loaded as well).
> >>>       
> >> For RDS reception, you need a strong signal since the RDS carrier's
> >> level is well below the audio carrier level. Your only chance is to
> >> improve reception. What kind of antenna are you using? Are you sure it's
> >> connected to the _radio_ antenna jack and not the TV?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Hans
> >>
> >>     
> >
> > Hans, for what I know it makes no difference on that tuner, if radio
> > comes in from the TV antenna connector or from the radio connector.
> >
> > At least we don't have some dedicated separating RF input switch for
> > that.
> >
> > For example, the other way round, if you have a cable TV provider also
> > providing radio, and radio freqs are not filtered from the TV input
> > connected, radio will just work fine from the TV antenna connector and
> > likely are all stereo. I can't tell anything for RDS.
> >
> > If you now also connect that cheap rabbit ears antenna mostly coming
> > with such cards, this might lead to overlapping frequencies noticed as
> > too much noise on radio. Maybe we still miss something, but it is not in
> > the tuner specs.
> >
> > Me and one single other guy reported loud thrilling noise for radio if
> > tuned into off on later driver revisions. I'm still not sure, if it is
> > only caused by machine specific interferences, a network cable had some
> > impact on it, but I saw/heard it later also on FMD hybrid devices on a
> > different machine.
> >
> > To connect the rabbit ears to the radio antenna connector will turn that
> > annoying noise into normal static. On that FMD hybrid you usually will
> > have the better radio reception from a roof mounted antenna for DVB-T
> > and there is also no active RF input switching like we only saw it later
> > on silicon hybrid devices.
> >
> > For radio stereo it needs still some v4l2 app and kradio and mplayer
> > with v4l2 radio support are still the best candidates, but I'm not on
> > latest on radio apps around currently.
> >
> > Reception improvement is of course still the best key for all.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Hermann
> >
> >
> >   
> Thanks for the answers and your further quesions, which I can answer here:
> - I receive Radio and TV via cable, so the signal strength is ok (for 
> stereo and rds)
> - There are no frequency-filters so the tuner gets the whole bandwith
> - In Windows with the original Terratec-SW everything (incl. RDS) works 
> fine.
> 
> So I assume, there must be a problem in the driver in the area of radio.
> 
> Thanks for further help in advance.
> Roland
> 

hm, Roland, radio sound is very noisy and not stereo.

To start from top and latest radio bug I do remember.

It is not _all_ only noise for radio with v4l1 apps and we don't deal
with the bug described here you might eventually have fun with?

http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-media@vger.kernel.org/msg09814.html

Cheers,
Hermann




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