From: Gerd Hoffmann <kraxel@redhat.com>
To: "Nikolai K. Bochev" <n.bochev@grandstarco.com>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>, Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>,
Yanmin Zhang <yanmin_zhang@linux.intel.com>,
ming m lin <ming.m.lin@intel.com>,
sheng yang <sheng.yang@intel.com>,
Jes Sorensen <Jes.Sorensen@redhat.com>,
KVM General <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
Zachary Amsden <zamsden@redhat.com>,
Gleb Natapov <gleb@redhat.com>,
Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@redhat.com>,
Fr??d??ric Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>,
Cole Robinson <crobinso@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: KVM usability
Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2010 15:22:07 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4B8D1F0F.40101@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1608881698.266.1267537026723.JavaMail.root@yellowwing>
On 03/02/10 14:37, Nikolai K. Bochev wrote:
> I don't see where this argument is leading to. So far there are
> arguments that qemu/kvm sucks as a desktop virtualization, now
> suddenly the gui tools are shitty and everything should be done cli ,
> because there's no man pages for virt-manager. Explain.
Lets face it: virt-manager has a big bunch of problems. For starters
there is no (gui) way to create a virtual machine other than installing
one from a iso image or via pxe. So if you downloaded a disk image and
want to boot it -> no cookie for you. Likewise if you have a bunch of
already installed guests and want to migrate from $othertool to
virt-manager you can't do that easily.
virt-manager builds on top of libvirt, so you always have the option to
use other tools (virsh command line shell for example) to get something
done which virt-manager doesn't provide a gui for. libvirt can handle
everything Peter asked for without problems. It still sucks though.
The whole point of a GUI is that you do *not* have to go to libvirt.org
to figure how to tweak the virtual machine config xml using "virsh edit
$vmname".
cheers,
Gerd
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-03-02 14:22 UTC|newest]
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[not found] <1267068445.1726.25.camel@localhost>
[not found] ` <1267089644.12790.74.camel@laptop>
2010-02-26 2:49 ` Enhance perf to support KVM Zhang, Yanmin
2010-02-26 9:01 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-26 9:53 ` Avi Kivity
2010-02-26 10:35 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-26 10:47 ` Avi Kivity
2010-02-26 11:17 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-26 11:44 ` Avi Kivity
2010-02-26 12:46 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-26 12:54 ` Avi Kivity
2010-02-26 13:16 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-26 13:57 ` Jes Sorensen
2010-02-26 14:04 ` Avi Kivity
2010-02-26 14:23 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-26 15:06 ` Avi Kivity
2010-03-02 16:46 ` Paolo Bonzini
2010-03-02 17:12 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2010-03-02 17:20 ` Paolo Bonzini
2010-03-02 17:24 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-03-02 17:17 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-03-07 14:17 ` Avi Kivity
2010-02-26 18:33 ` Avi Kivity
2010-02-27 10:56 ` KVM usability Ingo Molnar
2010-02-27 13:30 ` Jan Kiszka
2010-02-27 13:30 ` [Qemu-devel] " Jan Kiszka
2010-02-27 14:48 ` Ian Kirk
2010-02-27 15:32 ` Zachary Amsden
2010-02-27 17:25 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-03-01 15:33 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-03-01 16:48 ` Zachary Amsden
2010-03-01 17:41 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2010-03-01 18:29 ` Zachary Amsden
2010-03-01 20:56 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-03-01 21:45 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-03-01 22:06 ` Zachary Amsden
2010-03-02 0:33 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-03-02 0:30 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-03-02 2:34 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-03-02 8:39 ` Chris Webb
2010-03-07 18:42 ` Avi Kivity
2010-03-02 10:30 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-03-07 9:35 ` Avi Kivity
2010-03-07 9:56 ` Pekka Enberg
2010-03-07 10:11 ` Avi Kivity
2010-03-07 18:42 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-03-07 15:14 ` Luca Barbieri
2010-03-07 18:16 ` Avi Kivity
2010-03-07 18:01 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2010-03-07 18:15 ` Avi Kivity
2010-03-07 18:53 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2010-03-07 19:05 ` Avi Kivity
2010-03-07 18:25 ` Avi Kivity
2010-03-01 9:25 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-03-01 15:36 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-03-01 15:14 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-03-01 15:42 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2010-03-02 1:12 ` Dustin Kirkland
2010-03-02 10:11 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-03-02 13:37 ` Nikolai K. Bochev
2010-03-02 14:22 ` Gerd Hoffmann [this message]
2010-03-02 14:29 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-03-07 9:22 ` Avi Kivity
2010-03-02 14:37 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2010-03-02 14:52 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2010-03-02 14:56 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2010-03-02 15:13 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2010-03-04 20:00 ` Lucas Meneghel Rodrigues
2010-03-04 20:13 ` Zachary Amsden
2010-03-04 20:34 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-03-04 22:23 ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-03-05 7:44 ` Markus Armbruster
2010-03-07 11:25 ` Avi Kivity
2010-03-01 21:12 ` Dustin Kirkland
2010-03-01 21:59 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-03-02 2:34 ` Alexander Graf
2010-03-02 2:36 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-03-09 13:32 ` Avi Kivity
2010-03-09 14:32 ` Dustin Kirkland
2010-03-09 14:38 ` Alexander Graf
2010-03-09 14:50 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-03-09 14:52 ` Avi Kivity
2010-03-09 14:57 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-03-09 17:11 ` Avi Kivity
2010-03-09 17:27 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-03-09 17:30 ` Avi Kivity
2010-03-09 14:49 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-03-09 14:54 ` Avi Kivity
2010-03-02 3:02 ` Dustin Kirkland
2010-03-02 8:21 ` Chris Webb
2010-03-02 14:54 ` Dustin Kirkland
[not found] ` <428008581.20100302103400@eternallybored.org>
2010-03-07 11:35 ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-04 12:31 ` High CPU use of -usbdevice tablet (was Re: KVM usability) Chris Webb
2010-04-04 12:31 ` [Qemu-devel] " Chris Webb
2010-04-04 14:25 ` Paul Brook
2010-04-04 14:25 ` Paul Brook
2010-04-04 16:58 ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-04 16:58 ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-04 21:03 ` Paul Brook
2010-04-04 21:03 ` Paul Brook
2010-04-04 21:53 ` Paul Brook
2010-04-04 21:53 ` Paul Brook
2010-04-05 8:22 ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-05 8:22 ` Avi Kivity
2010-03-03 2:57 ` KVM usability Ross Boylan
2010-03-03 8:55 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2010-03-03 15:42 ` Ross Boylan
2010-03-07 14:29 ` Avi Kivity
2010-02-26 11:48 ` Enhance perf to support KVM Peter Zijlstra
2010-02-26 11:53 ` Avi Kivity
2010-02-26 20:17 ` Anthony Liguori
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