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From: Darren Hart <dvhltc@us.ibm.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Ulrich Drepper <drepper@gmail.com>, Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@gmail.com>,
	"Peter W. Morreale" <pmorreale@novell.com>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Gregory Haskins <ghaskins@novell.com>,
	Sven-Thorsten Dietrich <sdietrich@novell.com>,
	Chris Mason <chris.mason@oracle.com>,
	John Cooper <john.cooper@third-harmonic.com>,
	Chris Wright <chrisw@sous-sol.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH V2 0/6][RFC] futex: FUTEX_LOCK with optional adaptive spinning
Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2010 08:33:07 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4BBB5433.3060005@us.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1270565478.1595.529.camel@laptop>

Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Tue, 2010-04-06 at 07:47 -0700, Ulrich Drepper wrote:
>> On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 01:48, Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
>> wrote:
>>>  try
>>>  spin
>>>  try
>>>  syscall
>> This is available for a long time in the mutex implementation
>> (PTHREAD_MUTEX_ADAPTIVE_NP mutex type).  It hasn't show much
>> improvement if any.  There were some people demanding this support for
>> as far as I know they are not using it now.  This is adaptive
>> spinning, learning from previous calls how long to wait.  But it's
>> still unguided.  There is no way to get information like "the owner
>> has been descheduled". 
> 
> That's where the FUTEX_LOCK thing comes in, it does all those, the above
> was a single spin loop to amortize the syscall overhead.
> 
> I wouldn't make it any more complex than a single pause ins, syscalls
> are terribly cheap these days.

And yet they still seem to have a real impact on the futex_lock 
benchmark. Perhaps I am just still looking at pathological cases, but 
there is a strong correlation between high syscall counts and really low 
iterations per second. Granted this also correlates with lock 
contention. However, when using the same period and duty-cycle I find 
that a locking mechanism that makes significantly fewer syscalls also 
significantly outperforms one that makes more. Kind of handwavy stilly, 
I'll have more numbers this afternoon.

-- 
Darren Hart
IBM Linux Technology Center
Real-Time Linux Team

  reply	other threads:[~2010-04-06 15:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 62+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-04-05 20:23 [PATCH V2 0/6][RFC] futex: FUTEX_LOCK with optional adaptive spinning Darren Hart
2010-04-05 20:23 ` [PATCH 1/6] futex: replace fshared and clockrt with combined flags Darren Hart
2010-04-05 20:23 ` [PATCH 2/6] futex: add futex_q static initializer Darren Hart
2010-04-05 20:23 ` [PATCH 3/6] futex: refactor futex_lock_pi_atomic Darren Hart
2010-04-05 20:23 ` [PATCH 4/6] futex: Add FUTEX_LOCK with optional adaptive spinning Darren Hart
2010-04-06 16:55   ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-04-07 17:26     ` Darren Hart
2010-04-07 19:59       ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-04-08  3:25         ` Darren Hart
2010-04-08 23:10           ` Peter W. Morreale
2010-04-09  5:41             ` Darren Hart
2010-04-09 13:13               ` Peter W. Morreale
2010-04-05 20:23 ` [PATCH 5/6] futex: handle timeout inside adaptive lock spin Darren Hart
2010-04-06  8:27   ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-04-07 17:31     ` Darren Hart
2010-04-07 18:44       ` Gregory Haskins
2010-04-07 23:15         ` Darren Hart
2010-04-05 20:23 ` [PATCH 6/6] futex: Add aggressive adaptive spinning argument to FUTEX_LOCK Darren Hart
2010-04-08  5:58   ` Darren Hart
2010-04-05 20:48 ` [PATCH V2^W V4 0/6][RFC] futex: FUTEX_LOCK with optional adaptive spinning Darren Hart
2010-04-05 21:15 ` [PATCH V2 " Avi Kivity
2010-04-05 21:54   ` Darren Hart
2010-04-05 22:21     ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-05 22:59       ` Darren Hart
2010-04-06 13:28         ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-06 13:35           ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-04-06 13:41             ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-06 14:09               ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-04-06 16:10                 ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-06 16:53                   ` Alan Cox
2010-04-06 13:51             ` Alan Cox
2010-04-06 15:28               ` Darren Hart
2010-04-06 16:06                 ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-06 16:14                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-04-06 16:20                     ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-07  6:18                       ` john cooper
2010-04-08  3:33                         ` Darren Hart
2010-04-09  5:52                           ` john cooper
2010-04-06 16:54                     ` Alan Cox
2010-04-06 18:15                       ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-04-06 16:44                 ` Alan Cox
2010-04-06 17:34                   ` Ulrich Drepper
2010-04-10 23:35                     ` Alan Cox
2010-04-10 23:53                       ` Ulrich Drepper
2010-04-06 19:31                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-04-06 20:02                     ` Ulrich Drepper
2010-04-06 23:16                       ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-04-06 23:36                         ` Darren Hart
2010-04-07  6:08                         ` drepper
2010-04-08  3:41                           ` Darren Hart
2010-04-08  4:29                             ` drepper
2010-04-07  5:33                     ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-06 21:22         ` Darren Hart
2010-04-05 23:15       ` Darren Hart
2010-04-05 23:29         ` Chris Wright
2010-04-06 13:30         ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-06  8:48   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-04-06 14:47     ` Ulrich Drepper
2010-04-06 14:51       ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-04-06 15:33         ` Darren Hart [this message]
2010-04-06 15:37           ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-04-06 15:29 ` Peter Zijlstra

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