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From: john cooper <john.cooper@third-harmonic.com>
To: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
Cc: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Darren Hart <dvhltc@us.ibm.com>,
	Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@gmail.com>,
	"Peter W. Morreale" <pmorreale@novell.com>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Gregory Haskins <ghaskins@novell.com>,
	Sven-Thorsten Dietrich <sdietrich@novell.com>,
	Chris Mason <chris.mason@oracle.com>,
	Chris Wright <chrisw@sous-sol.org>,
	john cooper <john.cooper@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH V2 0/6][RFC] futex: FUTEX_LOCK with optional adaptive spinning
Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2010 02:18:42 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4BBC23C2.4080100@third-harmonic.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4BBB5F52.4000403@redhat.com>

Avi Kivity wrote:
> On 04/06/2010 07:14 PM, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
>>
>>> IMO the best solution is to spin in userspace while the lock holder is
>>> running, fall into the kernel when it is scheduled out.
>>>      
>> That's just not realistic as user space has no idea whether the lock
>> holder is running or not and when it's scheduled out without a syscall :)
>>    
> 
> The kernel could easily expose this information by writing into the
> thread's TLS area.
> 
> So:
> 
> - the kernel maintains a current_cpu field in a thread's tls
> - lock() atomically writes a pointer to the current thread's current_cpu
> when acquiring
> - the kernel writes an invalid value to current_cpu when switching out
> - a contended lock() retrieves the current_cpu pointer, and spins as
> long as it is a valid cpu

There are certainly details to sort through in the packaging
of the mechanism but conceptually that should do the job.
So here the application has chosen a blocking lock as being
the optimal synchronization operation and we're detecting a
scenario where we can factor out the aggregate overhead of two
context switch operations.

There is also the case where the application requires a
polled lock with the rational being the assumed lock
hold/wait time is substantially less than the above context
switch overhead.  But here we're otherwise completely
open to indiscriminate scheduling preemption even though
we may be holding a userland lock.

The adaptive mutex above is an optimization beyond what
is normally expected for the associated model.  The preemption
of a polled lock OTOH can easily inflict latency several orders
of magnitude beyond what is expected in that model.  Two use
cases exist here which IMO aren't related except for the latter
unintentionally degenerating into the former.

-john

-- 
john.cooper@third-harmonic.com

  reply	other threads:[~2010-04-07  6:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 62+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-04-05 20:23 [PATCH V2 0/6][RFC] futex: FUTEX_LOCK with optional adaptive spinning Darren Hart
2010-04-05 20:23 ` [PATCH 1/6] futex: replace fshared and clockrt with combined flags Darren Hart
2010-04-05 20:23 ` [PATCH 2/6] futex: add futex_q static initializer Darren Hart
2010-04-05 20:23 ` [PATCH 3/6] futex: refactor futex_lock_pi_atomic Darren Hart
2010-04-05 20:23 ` [PATCH 4/6] futex: Add FUTEX_LOCK with optional adaptive spinning Darren Hart
2010-04-06 16:55   ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-04-07 17:26     ` Darren Hart
2010-04-07 19:59       ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-04-08  3:25         ` Darren Hart
2010-04-08 23:10           ` Peter W. Morreale
2010-04-09  5:41             ` Darren Hart
2010-04-09 13:13               ` Peter W. Morreale
2010-04-05 20:23 ` [PATCH 5/6] futex: handle timeout inside adaptive lock spin Darren Hart
2010-04-06  8:27   ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-04-07 17:31     ` Darren Hart
2010-04-07 18:44       ` Gregory Haskins
2010-04-07 23:15         ` Darren Hart
2010-04-05 20:23 ` [PATCH 6/6] futex: Add aggressive adaptive spinning argument to FUTEX_LOCK Darren Hart
2010-04-08  5:58   ` Darren Hart
2010-04-05 20:48 ` [PATCH V2^W V4 0/6][RFC] futex: FUTEX_LOCK with optional adaptive spinning Darren Hart
2010-04-05 21:15 ` [PATCH V2 " Avi Kivity
2010-04-05 21:54   ` Darren Hart
2010-04-05 22:21     ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-05 22:59       ` Darren Hart
2010-04-06 13:28         ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-06 13:35           ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-04-06 13:41             ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-06 14:09               ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-04-06 16:10                 ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-06 16:53                   ` Alan Cox
2010-04-06 13:51             ` Alan Cox
2010-04-06 15:28               ` Darren Hart
2010-04-06 16:06                 ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-06 16:14                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-04-06 16:20                     ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-07  6:18                       ` john cooper [this message]
2010-04-08  3:33                         ` Darren Hart
2010-04-09  5:52                           ` john cooper
2010-04-06 16:54                     ` Alan Cox
2010-04-06 18:15                       ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-04-06 16:44                 ` Alan Cox
2010-04-06 17:34                   ` Ulrich Drepper
2010-04-10 23:35                     ` Alan Cox
2010-04-10 23:53                       ` Ulrich Drepper
2010-04-06 19:31                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-04-06 20:02                     ` Ulrich Drepper
2010-04-06 23:16                       ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-04-06 23:36                         ` Darren Hart
2010-04-07  6:08                         ` drepper
2010-04-08  3:41                           ` Darren Hart
2010-04-08  4:29                             ` drepper
2010-04-07  5:33                     ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-06 21:22         ` Darren Hart
2010-04-05 23:15       ` Darren Hart
2010-04-05 23:29         ` Chris Wright
2010-04-06 13:30         ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-06  8:48   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-04-06 14:47     ` Ulrich Drepper
2010-04-06 14:51       ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-04-06 15:33         ` Darren Hart
2010-04-06 15:37           ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-04-06 15:29 ` Peter Zijlstra

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