[PATCH] MAINTAINERS: add U: for URL of todo list, add RCU todo list

[PATCH] MAINTAINERS: add U: for URL of todo list, add RCU todo list

[Paul E. McKenney]

Since T: and L: are already taken, add U: for URL of todo list.
Also add the RCU todo list to both the RCU and RCUTORTURE projects.

Signed-off-by: Paul E. McKenney <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>

diff --git a/MAINTAINERS b/MAINTAINERS
index 3f21c27..1c57186 100644
--- a/MAINTAINERS
+++ b/MAINTAINERS
@@ -103,6 +103,7 @@ Descriptions of section entries:
 	      matches patches or files that contain one or more of the words
 	      printk, pr_info or pr_err
 	   One regex pattern per line.  Multiple K: lines acceptable.
+	U: URL of todo list.
 
 Note: For the hard of thinking, this list is meant to remain in alphabetical
 order. If you could add yourselves to it in alphabetical order that would be
@@ -4801,6 +4802,7 @@ M:	Josh Triplett <josh@freedesktop.org>
 M:	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
 S:	Supported
 T:	git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/paulmck/linux-2.6-rcu.git
+U:	http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/paulmck/rcutodo.html
 F:	Documentation/RCU/torture.txt
 F:	kernel/rcutorture.c
 
@@ -4826,6 +4828,7 @@ M:	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
 W:	http://www.rdrop.com/users/paulmck/rclock/
 S:	Supported
 T:	git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/paulmck/linux-2.6-rcu.git
+U:	http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/paulmck/rcutodo.html
 F:	Documentation/RCU/
 F:	include/linux/rcu*
 F:	include/linux/srcu*

Re: [PATCH] MAINTAINERS: add U: for URL of todo list, add RCU todo list

[Jiri Kosina]

On Thu, 26 Aug 2010, Paul E. McKenney wrote:

> Since T: and L: are already taken, add U: for URL of todo list.
> Also add the RCU todo list to both the RCU and RCUTORTURE projects.
> 
> Signed-off-by: Paul E. McKenney <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
> 
> diff --git a/MAINTAINERS b/MAINTAINERS
> index 3f21c27..1c57186 100644
> --- a/MAINTAINERS
> +++ b/MAINTAINERS
> @@ -103,6 +103,7 @@ Descriptions of section entries:
>  	      matches patches or files that contain one or more of the words
>  	      printk, pr_info or pr_err
>  	   One regex pattern per line.  Multiple K: lines acceptable.
> +	U: URL of todo list.
>  
>  Note: For the hard of thinking, this list is meant to remain in alphabetical
>  order. If you could add yourselves to it in alphabetical order that would be
> @@ -4801,6 +4802,7 @@ M:	Josh Triplett <josh@freedesktop.org>
>  M:	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
>  S:	Supported
>  T:	git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/paulmck/linux-2.6-rcu.git
> +U:	http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/paulmck/rcutodo.html
>  F:	Documentation/RCU/torture.txt
>  F:	kernel/rcutorture.c
>  
> @@ -4826,6 +4828,7 @@ M:	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
>  W:	http://www.rdrop.com/users/paulmck/rclock/
>  S:	Supported
>  T:	git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/paulmck/linux-2.6-rcu.git
> +U:	http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/paulmck/rcutodo.html
>  F:	Documentation/RCU/
>  F:	include/linux/rcu*
>  F:	include/linux/srcu*

While you are at it, I am aware at least of these additional ones:

http://vger.kernel.org/~davem/net_todo.html
http://wireless.kernel.org/en/developers/todo-list
https://ieee1394.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/To_Do
http://selinuxproject.org/page/Kernel_Development

-- 
Jiri Kosina
SUSE Labs, Novell Inc.

Re: [PATCH] MAINTAINERS: add U: for URL of todo list, add RCU todo list

[Joe Perches]

On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 08:45 -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> Since T: and L: are already taken, add U: for URL of todo list.
> Also add the RCU todo list to both the RCU and RCUTORTURE projects.

Hi Paul

I think W: already works perfectly well for this use.

>From MAINTAINERS:
        W: Web-page with status/info

> @@ -4801,6 +4802,7 @@ M:	Josh Triplett <josh@freedesktop.org>
>  M:	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
>  S:	Supported
>  T:	git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/paulmck/linux-2.6-rcu.git
> +U:	http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/paulmck/rcutodo.html

W:	http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/paulmck/rcutodo.html

>  F:	Documentation/RCU/torture.txt
>  F:	kernel/rcutorture.c
>  
> @@ -4826,6 +4828,7 @@ M:	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
>  W:	http://www.rdrop.com/users/paulmck/rclock/
>  S:	Supported
>  T:	git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/paulmck/linux-2.6-rcu.git
> +U:	http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/paulmck/rcutodo.html

W:	http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/paulmck/rcutodo.html

[PATCH] MAINTAINERS: add W: todo lists

[Joe Perches]

Also renamed NETWORKING patch queue from "W:" to "Q:"

Signed-off-by: Joe Perches <joe@perches.com>
---
 MAINTAINERS |    6 +++++-
 1 files changed, 5 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-)

diff --git a/MAINTAINERS b/MAINTAINERS
index a1df54b..3d29d8c 100644
--- a/MAINTAINERS
+++ b/MAINTAINERS
@@ -2346,6 +2346,7 @@ FIREWIRE SUBSYSTEM
 M:	Stefan Richter <stefanr@s5r6.in-berlin.de>
 L:	linux1394-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
 W:	http://ieee1394.wiki.kernel.org/
+W:	https://ieee1394.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/To_Do
 T:	git git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/ieee1394/linux1394-2.6.git
 S:	Maintained
 F:	drivers/firewire/
@@ -4039,7 +4040,8 @@ NETWORKING [GENERAL]
 M:	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>
 L:	netdev@vger.kernel.org
 W:	http://www.linuxfoundation.org/en/Net
-W:	http://patchwork.ozlabs.org/project/netdev/list/
+W:	http://vger.kernel.org/~davem/net_todo.html
+Q:	http://patchwork.ozlabs.org/project/netdev/list/
 T:	git git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/davem/net-2.6.git
 T:	git git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/davem/net-next-2.6.git
 S:	Maintained
@@ -4071,6 +4073,7 @@ S:	Maintained
 NETWORKING [WIRELESS]
 M:	"John W. Linville" <linville@tuxdriver.com>
 L:	linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org
+W:	http://wireless.kernel.org/en/developers/todo-list
 Q:	http://patchwork.kernel.org/project/linux-wireless/list/
 T:	git git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/linville/wireless-2.6.git
 S:	Maintained
@@ -5114,6 +5117,7 @@ M:	James Morris <jmorris@namei.org>
 M:	Eric Paris <eparis@parisplace.org>
 L:	selinux@tycho.nsa.gov (subscribers-only, general discussion)
 W:	http://selinuxproject.org
+W:	http://selinuxproject.org/page/Kernel_Development
 T:	git git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/jmorris/security-testing-2.6.git
 S:	Supported
 F:	include/linux/selinux*

Re: [PATCH] MAINTAINERS: add U: for URL of todo list, add RCU todo list

[Paul E. McKenney]

On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 08:51:44AM -0700, Joe Perches wrote:
> On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 08:45 -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > Since T: and L: are already taken, add U: for URL of todo list.
> > Also add the RCU todo list to both the RCU and RCUTORTURE projects.
> 
> Hi Paul
> 
> I think W: already works perfectly well for this use.
> 
> >From MAINTAINERS:
>         W: Web-page with status/info
> 
> > @@ -4801,6 +4802,7 @@ M:	Josh Triplett <josh@freedesktop.org>
> >  M:	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
> >  S:	Supported
> >  T:	git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/paulmck/linux-2.6-rcu.git
> > +U:	http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/paulmck/rcutodo.html
> 
> W:	http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/paulmck/rcutodo.html
> 
> >  F:	Documentation/RCU/torture.txt
> >  F:	kernel/rcutorture.c
> >  
> > @@ -4826,6 +4828,7 @@ M:	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
> >  W:	http://www.rdrop.com/users/paulmck/rclock/
> >  S:	Supported
> >  T:	git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/paulmck/linux-2.6-rcu.git
> > +U:	http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/paulmck/rcutodo.html
> 
> W:	http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/paulmck/rcutodo.html

OK, how about the following, then?

							Thanx, Paul

------------------------------------------------------------------------

commit 47d3177f3435e2600c98370dc07ed20a3a585c32
Author: Paul E. McKenney <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Date:   Thu Aug 26 08:59:13 2010 -0700

    MAINTAINERS: add RCU todo list
    
    Add the RCU todo list to RCUTORTURE and RCU.  Also add a note to
    W: stating that it may be used for todo list information.
    
    Signed-off-by: Paul E. McKenney <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>

diff --git a/MAINTAINERS b/MAINTAINERS
index 3f21c27..e02882b 100644
--- a/MAINTAINERS
+++ b/MAINTAINERS
@@ -70,7 +70,7 @@ Descriptions of section entries:
 	P: Person (obsolete)
 	M: Mail patches to: FullName <address@domain>
 	L: Mailing list that is relevant to this area
-	W: Web-page with status/info
+	W: Web-page with status/info/todo
 	Q: Patchwork web based patch tracking system site
 	T: SCM tree type and location.  Type is one of: git, hg, quilt, stgit.
 	S: Status, one of the following:
@@ -4799,6 +4799,8 @@ F:	drivers/net/wireless/ray*
 RCUTORTURE MODULE
 M:	Josh Triplett <josh@freedesktop.org>
 M:	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
+W:	http://www.rdrop.com/users/paulmck/RCU/
+W:	http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/paulmck/rcutodo.html
 S:	Supported
 T:	git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/paulmck/linux-2.6-rcu.git
 F:	Documentation/RCU/torture.txt
@@ -4823,7 +4825,8 @@ F:	net/rds/
 READ-COPY UPDATE (RCU)
 M:	Dipankar Sarma <dipankar@in.ibm.com>
 M:	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
-W:	http://www.rdrop.com/users/paulmck/rclock/
+W:	http://www.rdrop.com/users/paulmck/RCU/
+W:	http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/paulmck/rcutodo.html
 S:	Supported
 T:	git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/paulmck/linux-2.6-rcu.git
 F:	Documentation/RCU/

Re: [PATCH] MAINTAINERS: add U: for URL of todo list, add RCU todo list

[Joe Perches]

On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 09:14 -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 08:51:44AM -0700, Joe Perches wrote:
> > On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 08:45 -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > > Since T: and L: are already taken, add U: for URL of todo list.
> > > Also add the RCU todo list to both the RCU and RCUTORTURE projects.
> > I think W: already works perfectly well for this use.
> > >From MAINTAINERS:
> >         W: Web-page with status/info
> OK, how about the following, then?

Thanks.

Re: [Ksummit-2010-discuss] [PATCH] MAINTAINERS: add U: for URL of todo list, add RCU todo list

[James Bottomley]

On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 09:14 -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 08:51:44AM -0700, Joe Perches wrote:
> > On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 08:45 -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > > Since T: and L: are already taken, add U: for URL of todo list.
> > > Also add the RCU todo list to both the RCU and RCUTORTURE projects.
> > 
> > Hi Paul
> > 
> > I think W: already works perfectly well for this use.
> > 
> > >From MAINTAINERS:
> >         W: Web-page with status/info
> > 
> > > @@ -4801,6 +4802,7 @@ M:	Josh Triplett <josh@freedesktop.org>
> > >  M:	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
> > >  S:	Supported
> > >  T:	git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/paulmck/linux-2.6-rcu.git
> > > +U:	http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/paulmck/rcutodo.html
> > 
> > W:	http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/paulmck/rcutodo.html
> > 
> > >  F:	Documentation/RCU/torture.txt
> > >  F:	kernel/rcutorture.c
> > >  
> > > @@ -4826,6 +4828,7 @@ M:	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
> > >  W:	http://www.rdrop.com/users/paulmck/rclock/
> > >  S:	Supported
> > >  T:	git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/paulmck/linux-2.6-rcu.git
> > > +U:	http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/paulmck/rcutodo.html
> > 
> > W:	http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/paulmck/rcutodo.html
> 
> OK, how about the following, then?

Got to say I really think overloading W which means web page/status
information isn't a very good idea:

jejb@mulgrave:~/git/linux-2.6> grep -w 'W:' MAINTAINERS |wc -l
371

We already have ~400 of them ... how's anyone looking for a todo list
going to find the right one in amongst all the others (assuming a newbie
with no subject predisposition simply trying to find any todo list).

James

Re: [Ksummit-2010-discuss] [PATCH] MAINTAINERS: add U: for URL of todo list, add RCU todo list

[Randy Dunlap]

On Thu, 26 Aug 2010 11:25:33 -0500 James Bottomley wrote:

> On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 09:14 -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 08:51:44AM -0700, Joe Perches wrote:
> > > On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 08:45 -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > > > Since T: and L: are already taken, add U: for URL of todo list.
> > > > Also add the RCU todo list to both the RCU and RCUTORTURE projects.
> > > 
> > > Hi Paul
> > > 
> > > I think W: already works perfectly well for this use.
> > > 
> > > >From MAINTAINERS:
> > >         W: Web-page with status/info
> > > 
> > > > @@ -4801,6 +4802,7 @@ M:	Josh Triplett <josh@freedesktop.org>
> > > >  M:	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
> > > >  S:	Supported
> > > >  T:	git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/paulmck/linux-2.6-rcu.git
> > > > +U:	http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/paulmck/rcutodo.html
> > > 
> > > W:	http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/paulmck/rcutodo.html
> > > 
> > > >  F:	Documentation/RCU/torture.txt
> > > >  F:	kernel/rcutorture.c
> > > >  
> > > > @@ -4826,6 +4828,7 @@ M:	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
> > > >  W:	http://www.rdrop.com/users/paulmck/rclock/
> > > >  S:	Supported
> > > >  T:	git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/paulmck/linux-2.6-rcu.git
> > > > +U:	http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/paulmck/rcutodo.html
> > > 
> > > W:	http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/paulmck/rcutodo.html
> > 
> > OK, how about the following, then?
> 
> Got to say I really think overloading W which means web page/status
> information isn't a very good idea:
> 
> jejb@mulgrave:~/git/linux-2.6> grep -w 'W:' MAINTAINERS |wc -l
> 371
> 
> We already have ~400 of them ... how's anyone looking for a todo list
> going to find the right one in amongst all the others (assuming a newbie
> with no subject predisposition simply trying to find any todo list).


Did you have an alternate suggestion?

Do you prefer a Grand Unified Todo List?

I don't mind the kernelnewbies list/location, but we need to give it
some TLC.

---
~Randy
*** Remember to use Documentation/SubmitChecklist when testing your code ***

Re: [Ksummit-2010-discuss] [PATCH] MAINTAINERS: add U: for URL of todo list, add RCU todo list

[Joe Perches]

On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 11:25 -0500, James Bottomley wrote:
> We already have ~400 of them ... how's anyone looking for a todo list
> going to find the right one in amongst all the others (assuming a newbie
> with no subject predisposition simply trying to find any todo list).

Those folk might be better playing/practicing/honing skills
in staging where there already are TODO files.

Re: [Ksummit-2010-discuss] [PATCH] MAINTAINERS: add U: for URL of todo list, add RCU todo list

[James Bottomley]

On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 09:29 -0700, Randy Dunlap wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Aug 2010 11:25:33 -0500 James Bottomley wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 09:14 -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > > On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 08:51:44AM -0700, Joe Perches wrote:
> > > > On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 08:45 -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > > > > Since T: and L: are already taken, add U: for URL of todo list.
> > > > > Also add the RCU todo list to both the RCU and RCUTORTURE projects.
> > > > 
> > > > Hi Paul
> > > > 
> > > > I think W: already works perfectly well for this use.
> > > > 
> > > > >From MAINTAINERS:
> > > >         W: Web-page with status/info
> > > > 
> > > > > @@ -4801,6 +4802,7 @@ M:	Josh Triplett <josh@freedesktop.org>
> > > > >  M:	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
> > > > >  S:	Supported
> > > > >  T:	git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/paulmck/linux-2.6-rcu.git
> > > > > +U:	http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/paulmck/rcutodo.html
> > > > 
> > > > W:	http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/paulmck/rcutodo.html
> > > > 
> > > > >  F:	Documentation/RCU/torture.txt
> > > > >  F:	kernel/rcutorture.c
> > > > >  
> > > > > @@ -4826,6 +4828,7 @@ M:	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
> > > > >  W:	http://www.rdrop.com/users/paulmck/rclock/
> > > > >  S:	Supported
> > > > >  T:	git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/paulmck/linux-2.6-rcu.git
> > > > > +U:	http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/paulmck/rcutodo.html
> > > > 
> > > > W:	http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/paulmck/rcutodo.html
> > > 
> > > OK, how about the following, then?
> > 
> > Got to say I really think overloading W which means web page/status
> > information isn't a very good idea:
> > 
> > jejb@mulgrave:~/git/linux-2.6> grep -w 'W:' MAINTAINERS |wc -l
> > 371
> > 
> > We already have ~400 of them ... how's anyone looking for a todo list
> > going to find the right one in amongst all the others (assuming a newbie
> > with no subject predisposition simply trying to find any todo list).
> 
> 
> Did you have an alternate suggestion?

New tag was fine ... kernelnewbies wiki is also fine.  My point is that
if we're going to put them somewhere, lets make it obvious, not a find
the list type of exercise.

> Do you prefer a Grand Unified Todo List?

I already gave my opinion on that ...

James


> I don't mind the kernelnewbies list/location, but we need to give it
> some TLC.
> 
> ---
> ~Randy
> *** Remember to use Documentation/SubmitChecklist when testing your code ***
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Re: [Ksummit-2010-discuss] [PATCH] MAINTAINERS: add U: for URL of todo list, add RCU todo list

[Arjan van de Ven]

On Thu, 26 Aug 2010 09:29:23 -0700
Randy Dunlap <rdunlap@xenotime.net> wrote:

> On Thu, 26 Aug 2010 11:25:33 -0500 James Bottomley wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 09:14 -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > > On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 08:51:44AM -0700, Joe Perches wrote:
> > > > On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 08:45 -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > > > > Since T: and L: are already taken, add U: for URL of todo
> > > > > list. Also add the RCU todo list to both the RCU and
> > > > > RCUTORTURE projects.
> > > > 
> > > > Hi Paul
> > > > 
> > > > I think W: already works perfectly well for this use.
> > > > 
> > > > >From MAINTAINERS:
> > > >         W: Web-page with status/info
> > > > 
> > > > > @@ -4801,6 +4802,7 @@ M:	Josh Triplett
> > > > > <josh@freedesktop.org> M:	"Paul E. McKenney"
> > > > > <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com> S:	Supported
> > > > >  T:
> > > > > git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/paulmck/linux-2.6-rcu.git
> > > > > +U:
> > > > > http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/paulmck/rcutodo.html
> > > > 
> > > > W:
> > > > http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/paulmck/rcutodo.html
> > > > 
> > > > >  F:	Documentation/RCU/torture.txt
> > > > >  F:	kernel/rcutorture.c
> > > > >  
> > > > > @@ -4826,6 +4828,7 @@ M:	"Paul E. McKenney"
> > > > > <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com> W:
> > > > > http://www.rdrop.com/users/paulmck/rclock/ S:	Supported
> > > > >  T:
> > > > > git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/paulmck/linux-2.6-rcu.git
> > > > > +U:
> > > > > http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/paulmck/rcutodo.html
> > > > 
> > > > W:
> > > > http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/paulmck/rcutodo.html
> > > 
> > > OK, how about the following, then?
> > 
> > Got to say I really think overloading W which means web page/status
> > information isn't a very good idea:
> > 
> > jejb@mulgrave:~/git/linux-2.6> grep -w 'W:' MAINTAINERS |wc -l
> > 371
> > 
> > We already have ~400 of them ... how's anyone looking for a todo
> > list going to find the right one in amongst all the others
> > (assuming a newbie with no subject predisposition simply trying to
> > find any todo list).
> 
> 
> Did you have an alternate suggestion?
> 
> Do you prefer a Grand Unified Todo List?
> 


I have to say that I'm not yet convinced that keeping a todo list in a
place that's not with the actual source code does not give me warm
fuzzy feelings. Every time we've kept information about the source code
separate from our source code it's been a failure; it gets out of sync
fast and it just adds to the maintenance.

A git commit that both fixes an issue and removed the line from the
todo file (or moves it to a "done" section, whatever) is the ultimate
goal obviously... having a U: seems to go in exactly the opposite
direction.

otoh having a kernel-doc type (eg structured, parsable) way of
gathering todo items throughout the tree.... that I can see as useful.

Re: [Ksummit-2010-discuss] [PATCH] MAINTAINERS: add U: for URL of todo list, add RCU todo list

[Jiri Kosina]

On Thu, 26 Aug 2010, Arjan van de Ven wrote:

> I have to say that I'm not yet convinced that keeping a todo list in a 
> place that's not with the actual source code does not give me warm fuzzy 
> feelings. Every time we've kept information about the source code 
> separate from our source code it's been a failure; it gets out of sync 
> fast and it just adds to the maintenance.
> 
> A git commit that both fixes an issue and removed the line from the todo 
> file (or moves it to a "done" section, whatever) is the ultimate goal 
> obviously... having a U: seems to go in exactly the opposite direction.
> 
> otoh having a kernel-doc type (eg structured, parsable) way of
> gathering todo items throughout the tree.... that I can see as useful.

I still feel that if maintainer is willing to keep TODO list on web for 
whatever reason (hyperlinks, nice tables, images, whatever), then he 
should be free to do so.

The U: (or whatever) tag in MAINTAINERS file still could point to file in 
the actual sources, in cases maintainer choses to have the list there, of 
course.

-- 
Jiri Kosina
SUSE Labs, Novell Inc.

Re: [Ksummit-2010-discuss] [PATCH] MAINTAINERS: add U: for URL of todo list, add RCU todo list

[Joe Perches]

On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 11:25 -0500, James Bottomley wrote:
> how's anyone looking for a todo list
> going to find the right one in amongst all the others (assuming a newbie
> with no subject predisposition simply trying to find any todo list).

$ find -name TODO | wc -l
40

Re: [Ksummit-2010-discuss] [PATCH] MAINTAINERS: add U: for URL of todo list, add RCU todo list

[Paul E. McKenney]

On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 11:25:33AM -0500, James Bottomley wrote:
> On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 09:14 -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 08:51:44AM -0700, Joe Perches wrote:
> > > On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 08:45 -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > > > Since T: and L: are already taken, add U: for URL of todo list.
> > > > Also add the RCU todo list to both the RCU and RCUTORTURE projects.
> > > 
> > > Hi Paul
> > > 
> > > I think W: already works perfectly well for this use.
> > > 
> > > >From MAINTAINERS:
> > >         W: Web-page with status/info
> > > 
> > > > @@ -4801,6 +4802,7 @@ M:	Josh Triplett <josh@freedesktop.org>
> > > >  M:	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
> > > >  S:	Supported
> > > >  T:	git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/paulmck/linux-2.6-rcu.git
> > > > +U:	http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/paulmck/rcutodo.html
> > > 
> > > W:	http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/paulmck/rcutodo.html
> > > 
> > > >  F:	Documentation/RCU/torture.txt
> > > >  F:	kernel/rcutorture.c
> > > >  
> > > > @@ -4826,6 +4828,7 @@ M:	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
> > > >  W:	http://www.rdrop.com/users/paulmck/rclock/
> > > >  S:	Supported
> > > >  T:	git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/paulmck/linux-2.6-rcu.git
> > > > +U:	http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/paulmck/rcutodo.html
> > > 
> > > W:	http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/paulmck/rcutodo.html
> > 
> > OK, how about the following, then?
> 
> Got to say I really think overloading W which means web page/status
> information isn't a very good idea:
> 
> jejb@mulgrave:~/git/linux-2.6> grep -w 'W:' MAINTAINERS |wc -l
> 371
> 
> We already have ~400 of them ... how's anyone looking for a todo list
> going to find the right one in amongst all the others (assuming a newbie
> with no subject predisposition simply trying to find any todo list).

Hopefully the todo lists have "todo" or "TODO" in the URL.  ;-)

							Thanx, Paul

Re: [Ksummit-2010-discuss] [PATCH] MAINTAINERS: add U: for URL of todo list, add RCU todo list

[Dmitry Torokhov]

On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 06:42:55PM +0200, Jiri Kosina wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Aug 2010, Arjan van de Ven wrote:
> 
> > I have to say that I'm not yet convinced that keeping a todo list in a 
> > place that's not with the actual source code does not give me warm fuzzy 
> > feelings. Every time we've kept information about the source code 
> > separate from our source code it's been a failure; it gets out of sync 
> > fast and it just adds to the maintenance.
> > 
> > A git commit that both fixes an issue and removed the line from the todo 
> > file (or moves it to a "done" section, whatever) is the ultimate goal 
> > obviously... having a U: seems to go in exactly the opposite direction.
> > 

TODO might disappear without implementation, if you decide that the idea
wasn't a good one after all.

> > otoh having a kernel-doc type (eg structured, parsable) way of
> > gathering todo items throughout the tree.... that I can see as useful.
> 
> I still feel that if maintainer is willing to keep TODO list on web for 
> whatever reason (hyperlinks, nice tables, images, whatever), then he 
> should be free to do so.
>

Yep, I do not want to be restricted to updating TODO during merge window
only as the changes to the list are not likely to count as bugfixes ;)

-- 
Dmitry

[rfc] MAINTAINERS: Remove broken URLs

[Joe Perches]

These W: links from MAINTAINERS seem dead.

Should they be removed?

W:	drama.obuda.kando.hu/~fero/cgi-bin/hgafb.shtml
W:	firstlight.net/cvs
W:	ftp.openlinux.org/pub/people/hch/vxfs
W:	geocities.com/i0xox0i
W:	janitor.kernelnewbies.org/
W:	logfs.org
W:	megaraid.lsilogic.com
W:	miguelojeda.es/auxdisplay.htm
W:	oops.ghostprotocols.net
W:	prism54.org
W:	projects.buici.com/arm
W:	twibble.org/dist/dc395x/
W:	www.baycom.org/~tom/ham/ham.html
W:	www.developer.ibm.com/welcome/netfinity/serveraid.html
W:	www.ibm.com/linux/ltc/projects/ppc
W:	www.linux-ntfs.org/content/view/19/37/
W:	www.linux-usb.org/usbnet
W:	www.neteffect.com
W:	www.nt.tuwien.ac.at/~kkudielk/Linux/
W:	www.openib.org/
W:	www.torque.net/sg
W:	www.uni-mainz.de/~langm000/linux.html
W:	www.winischhofer.at/linuxsisusbvga.shtml

Re: [rfc] MAINTAINERS: Remove broken URLs

[Roland Dreier]

 > W:	www.openib.org/

Should be replaced by www.openfabrics.org/
I'll queue up a patch.

 - R.

Re: [rfc] MAINTAINERS: Remove broken URLs

[Justin P. Mattock]

On 08/26/2010 01:47 PM, Joe Perches wrote:
> W:	janitor.kernelnewbies.org/

this is changed to http://kernelnewbies.org/KernelJanitors
Ill send out a patch if youd like, and/or you got it already..

Justin P. Mattock

Re: [rfc] MAINTAINERS: Remove broken URLs

[Joe Perches]

On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 15:28 -0700, Justin P. Mattock wrote:
> On 08/26/2010 01:47 PM, Joe Perches wrote:
> > W:	janitor.kernelnewbies.org/
> 
> this is changed to http://kernelnewbies.org/KernelJanitors
> Ill send out a patch if youd like, and/or you got it already..
> 

I don't have a tree that gets pulled.
Andrew Morton generally picks up MAINTAINERS fixes.

Re: [rfc] MAINTAINERS: Remove broken URLs

[rdunlap]

On Thu, August 26, 2010 1:47 pm, Joe Perches wrote:
> These W: links from MAINTAINERS seem dead.
>
>
> Should they be removed?
>
>
> W:	ftp.openlinux.org/pub/people/hch/vxfs

Christoph?

> W:	janitor.kernelnewbies.org/

        http://kernelnewbies.org/KernelJanitors

> W:	oops.ghostprotocols.net

acme?

> W:	www.linux-usb.org/usbnet

        www.linux-usb.org/usbnet/    works

> W:	www.torque.net/sg

        http://sg.danny.cz/sg/index.html

Re: [rfc] MAINTAINERS: Remove broken URLs

[Justin P. Mattock]

On 08/26/2010 03:37 PM, Joe Perches wrote:
> On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 15:28 -0700, Justin P. Mattock wrote:
>> On 08/26/2010 01:47 PM, Joe Perches wrote:
>>> W:	janitor.kernelnewbies.org/
>>
>> this is changed to http://kernelnewbies.org/KernelJanitors
>> Ill send out a patch if youd like, and/or you got it already..
>>
>
> I don't have a tree that gets pulled.
> Andrew Morton generally picks up MAINTAINERS fixes.
>
>
>


alright.. I sent it out to trivial.. if they want it's it there..

Justin P. Mattock

Re: [Ksummit-2010-discuss] [PATCH] MAINTAINERS: add U: for URL of todo list, add RCU todo list

[Sarah Sharp]

On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 09:50:44AM -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 11:25:33AM -0500, James Bottomley wrote:
> > On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 09:14 -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > > On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 08:51:44AM -0700, Joe Perches wrote:
> > > > On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 08:45 -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > > > > Since T: and L: are already taken, add U: for URL of todo list.
> > > > > Also add the RCU todo list to both the RCU and RCUTORTURE projects.
> > > > 
> > > > Hi Paul
> > > > 
> > > > I think W: already works perfectly well for this use.
> > > > 
> > > > >From MAINTAINERS:
> > > >         W: Web-page with status/info
> > > > 
> > > > > @@ -4801,6 +4802,7 @@ M:	Josh Triplett <josh@freedesktop.org>
> > > > >  M:	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
> > > > >  S:	Supported
> > > > >  T:	git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/paulmck/linux-2.6-rcu.git
> > > > > +U:	http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/paulmck/rcutodo.html
> > > > 
> > > > W:	http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/paulmck/rcutodo.html
> > > > 
> > > > >  F:	Documentation/RCU/torture.txt
> > > > >  F:	kernel/rcutorture.c
> > > > >  
> > > > > @@ -4826,6 +4828,7 @@ M:	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
> > > > >  W:	http://www.rdrop.com/users/paulmck/rclock/
> > > > >  S:	Supported
> > > > >  T:	git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/paulmck/linux-2.6-rcu.git
> > > > > +U:	http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/paulmck/rcutodo.html
> > > > 
> > > > W:	http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/paulmck/rcutodo.html
> > > 
> > > OK, how about the following, then?
> > 
> > Got to say I really think overloading W which means web page/status
> > information isn't a very good idea:
> > 
> > jejb@mulgrave:~/git/linux-2.6> grep -w 'W:' MAINTAINERS |wc -l
> > 371
> > 
> > We already have ~400 of them ... how's anyone looking for a todo list
> > going to find the right one in amongst all the others (assuming a newbie
> > with no subject predisposition simply trying to find any todo list).
> 
> Hopefully the todo lists have "todo" or "TODO" in the URL.  ;-)

That may not be the case if you use a public todo list on
rememberthemilk.com.  It doesn't make sense to end multiple todo list
names with "todo" for on site that's specifically designed to help with
todo lists.

I like the idea of a separate letter for todo lists URLs.

Sarah Sharp

Re: [Ksummit-2010-discuss] [PATCH] MAINTAINERS: add U: for URL of todo list, add RCU todo list

[Paul E. McKenney]

On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 04:00:21PM -0700, Sarah Sharp wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 09:50:44AM -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 11:25:33AM -0500, James Bottomley wrote:
> > > On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 09:14 -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > > > On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 08:51:44AM -0700, Joe Perches wrote:
> > > > > On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 08:45 -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > > > > > Since T: and L: are already taken, add U: for URL of todo list.
> > > > > > Also add the RCU todo list to both the RCU and RCUTORTURE projects.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Hi Paul
> > > > > 
> > > > > I think W: already works perfectly well for this use.
> > > > > 
> > > > > >From MAINTAINERS:
> > > > >         W: Web-page with status/info
> > > > > 
> > > > > > @@ -4801,6 +4802,7 @@ M:	Josh Triplett <josh@freedesktop.org>
> > > > > >  M:	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
> > > > > >  S:	Supported
> > > > > >  T:	git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/paulmck/linux-2.6-rcu.git
> > > > > > +U:	http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/paulmck/rcutodo.html
> > > > > 
> > > > > W:	http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/paulmck/rcutodo.html
> > > > > 
> > > > > >  F:	Documentation/RCU/torture.txt
> > > > > >  F:	kernel/rcutorture.c
> > > > > >  
> > > > > > @@ -4826,6 +4828,7 @@ M:	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
> > > > > >  W:	http://www.rdrop.com/users/paulmck/rclock/
> > > > > >  S:	Supported
> > > > > >  T:	git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/paulmck/linux-2.6-rcu.git
> > > > > > +U:	http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/paulmck/rcutodo.html
> > > > > 
> > > > > W:	http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/paulmck/rcutodo.html
> > > > 
> > > > OK, how about the following, then?
> > > 
> > > Got to say I really think overloading W which means web page/status
> > > information isn't a very good idea:
> > > 
> > > jejb@mulgrave:~/git/linux-2.6> grep -w 'W:' MAINTAINERS |wc -l
> > > 371
> > > 
> > > We already have ~400 of them ... how's anyone looking for a todo list
> > > going to find the right one in amongst all the others (assuming a newbie
> > > with no subject predisposition simply trying to find any todo list).
> > 
> > Hopefully the todo lists have "todo" or "TODO" in the URL.  ;-)
> 
> That may not be the case if you use a public todo list on
> rememberthemilk.com.  It doesn't make sense to end multiple todo list
> names with "todo" for on site that's specifically designed to help with
> todo lists.
> 
> I like the idea of a separate letter for todo lists URLs.

So do I!  ;-)

Another option for URLs not containing "todo" or "TODO" is something like:

W:	rememberthemilk.com (todo)

I suspect that most people would know not to include " (todo)" in
the string they fed to their browser.

Seem reasonable?

							Thanx, Paul

Re: [Ksummit-2010-discuss] [PATCH] MAINTAINERS: add U: for URL of todo list, add RCU todo list

[Joe Perches]

On Thu, 26 Aug 2010, Sarah Sharp wrote:
> That may not be the case if you use a public todo list on
> rememberthemilk.com.  It doesn't make sense to end multiple todo list
> names with "todo" for on site that's specifically designed to help with
> todo lists.

These are all general references to external "W:"eb links.

The right place for TODO lists is inside the kernel source tree
as a TODO file in the source tree node that has something to do.

Re: [Ksummit-2010-discuss] [PATCH] MAINTAINERS: add U: for URL of todo list, add RCU todo list

[Avi Kivity]

  On 08/26/2010 07:29 PM, Randy Dunlap wrote:
>
> Do you prefer a Grand Unified Todo List?
>

cat /sys/kernel/todo
cat /sys/module/*/todo

-- 
I have a truly marvellous patch that fixes the bug which this
signature is too narrow to contain.

Re: [rfc] MAINTAINERS: Remove broken URLs

[John W. Linville]

On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 01:47:11PM -0700, Joe Perches wrote:
> These W: links from MAINTAINERS seem dead.

> W:	prism54.org

I'll queue-up a patch to redirect this appropriately.

John
-- 
John W. Linville		Someday the world will need a hero, and you
linville@tuxdriver.com			might be all we have.  Be ready.

Re: [Ksummit-2010-discuss] [PATCH] MAINTAINERS: add U: for URL of todo list, add RCU todo list

[Neil Brown]

On Thu, 26 Aug 2010 16:23:23 -0700
"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 04:00:21PM -0700, Sarah Sharp wrote:
> > On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 09:50:44AM -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > > On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 11:25:33AM -0500, James Bottomley wrote:
> > > > On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 09:14 -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > > > > On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 08:51:44AM -0700, Joe Perches wrote:
> > > > > > On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 08:45 -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > > > > > > Since T: and L: are already taken, add U: for URL of todo list.
> > > > > > > Also add the RCU todo list to both the RCU and RCUTORTURE projects.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Hi Paul
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I think W: already works perfectly well for this use.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > >From MAINTAINERS:
> > > > > >         W: Web-page with status/info
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > @@ -4801,6 +4802,7 @@ M:	Josh Triplett <josh@freedesktop.org>
> > > > > > >  M:	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
> > > > > > >  S:	Supported
> > > > > > >  T:	git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/paulmck/linux-2.6-rcu.git
> > > > > > > +U:	http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/paulmck/rcutodo.html
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > W:	http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/paulmck/rcutodo.html
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > >  F:	Documentation/RCU/torture.txt
> > > > > > >  F:	kernel/rcutorture.c
> > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > @@ -4826,6 +4828,7 @@ M:	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
> > > > > > >  W:	http://www.rdrop.com/users/paulmck/rclock/
> > > > > > >  S:	Supported
> > > > > > >  T:	git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/paulmck/linux-2.6-rcu.git
> > > > > > > +U:	http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/paulmck/rcutodo.html
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > W:	http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/paulmck/rcutodo.html
> > > > > 
> > > > > OK, how about the following, then?
> > > > 
> > > > Got to say I really think overloading W which means web page/status
> > > > information isn't a very good idea:
> > > > 
> > > > jejb@mulgrave:~/git/linux-2.6> grep -w 'W:' MAINTAINERS |wc -l
> > > > 371
> > > > 
> > > > We already have ~400 of them ... how's anyone looking for a todo list
> > > > going to find the right one in amongst all the others (assuming a newbie
> > > > with no subject predisposition simply trying to find any todo list).
> > > 
> > > Hopefully the todo lists have "todo" or "TODO" in the URL.  ;-)
> > 
> > That may not be the case if you use a public todo list on
> > rememberthemilk.com.  It doesn't make sense to end multiple todo list
> > names with "todo" for on site that's specifically designed to help with
> > todo lists.
> > 
> > I like the idea of a separate letter for todo lists URLs.
> 
> So do I!  ;-)
> 
> Another option for URLs not containing "todo" or "TODO" is something like:
> 
> W:	rememberthemilk.com (todo)
> 
> I suspect that most people would know not to include " (todo)" in
> the string they fed to their browser.
> 
> Seem reasonable?

Yes as long as it is easy to machine-parse.

The idea that appeals to me is for the 'todo list' URL to be an RSS feed, and
we have some site that automagically extracts all the todo lists and creates
a todo planet.  (todo.kernelplanet.org ??)
Then interested parties could subscribe to that and watch the ideas go by.

But getting a useful subset of maintainers to put a todo list in an RSS feed
feels somewhat like herding wild-cats...

NeilBrown

Re: [Ksummit-2010-discuss] [PATCH] MAINTAINERS: add U: for URL of todo list, add RCU todo list

[Eric Van Hensbergen]

On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 8:40 PM, Neil Brown <neilb@suse.de> wrote:
>
> The idea that appeals to me is for the 'todo list' URL to be an RSS feed, and
> we have some site that automagically extracts all the todo lists and creates
> a todo planet.  (todo.kernelplanet.org ??)
> Then interested parties could subscribe to that and watch the ideas go by.
>
> But getting a useful subset of maintainers to put a todo list in an RSS feed
> feels somewhat like herding wild-cats...
>

I think the best approach would be to start doing it and hope others
follow suit.

What would the standard template be for something like this?  Would we
just stick to title, link, description?

      -eric

Re: [Ksummit-2010-discuss] [PATCH] MAINTAINERS: add U: for URL of todo list, add RCU todo list

[Steven Rostedt]

On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 09:38 -0700, Arjan van de Ven wrote:

> I have to say that I'm not yet convinced that keeping a todo list in a
> place that's not with the actual source code does not give me warm
> fuzzy feelings. Every time we've kept information about the source code
> separate from our source code it's been a failure; it gets out of sync
> fast and it just adds to the maintenance.
> 
> A git commit that both fixes an issue and removed the line from the
> todo file (or moves it to a "done" section, whatever) is the ultimate
> goal obviously... having a U: seems to go in exactly the opposite
> direction.
> 
> otoh having a kernel-doc type (eg structured, parsable) way of
> gathering todo items throughout the tree.... that I can see as useful.

We could add a toplevel "todo/" directory, with each project file in it
and a list of things todo. When the todo is done, that same commit could
remove the todo item.

Just a worthless thought ;-)

-- Steve

Re: [Ksummit-2010-discuss] [PATCH] MAINTAINERS: add U: for URL of todo list, add RCU todo list

[Paul E. McKenney]

On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 01:23:08PM -0400, Steven Rostedt wrote:
> On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 09:38 -0700, Arjan van de Ven wrote:
> 
> > I have to say that I'm not yet convinced that keeping a todo list in a
> > place that's not with the actual source code does not give me warm
> > fuzzy feelings. Every time we've kept information about the source code
> > separate from our source code it's been a failure; it gets out of sync
> > fast and it just adds to the maintenance.
> > 
> > A git commit that both fixes an issue and removed the line from the
> > todo file (or moves it to a "done" section, whatever) is the ultimate
> > goal obviously... having a U: seems to go in exactly the opposite
> > direction.
> > 
> > otoh having a kernel-doc type (eg structured, parsable) way of
> > gathering todo items throughout the tree.... that I can see as useful.
> 
> We could add a toplevel "todo/" directory, with each project file in it
> and a list of things todo. When the todo is done, that same commit could
> remove the todo item.
> 
> Just a worthless thought ;-)

I am with Dmitry on this one.  I really don't want to be prevented from
updating my todo items outside of the merge window.

Different people have different needs, so we need to accommodate todo
lists both within and outside the kernel source tree.

							Thanx, Paul

Re: [Ksummit-2010-discuss] [PATCH] MAINTAINERS: add U: for URL of todo list, add RCU todo list

[Steven Rostedt]

On Tue, 2010-08-31 at 16:02 -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:

> > We could add a toplevel "todo/" directory, with each project file in it
> > and a list of things todo. When the todo is done, that same commit could
> > remove the todo item.
> > 
> > Just a worthless thought ;-)
> 
> I am with Dmitry on this one.  I really don't want to be prevented from
> updating my todo items outside of the merge window.
> 
> Different people have different needs, so we need to accommodate todo
> lists both within and outside the kernel source tree.

Actually, that would probably happen automatically.

If you are working on a subsystem, you should probably be working
against the git tree for that subsystem. When something is done in the
todo list, the subsystem tree would be updated with the commit that does
said change.

Then, the list is maintained outside of mainline (in the subsystem git
tree) and will automatically update mainline in the next merge window
when the tree is pulled.

-- Steve

Re: [Ksummit-2010-discuss] [PATCH] MAINTAINERS: add U: for URL of todo list, add RCU todo list

[Rafael J. Wysocki]

On Wednesday, September 01, 2010, Steven Rostedt wrote:
> On Tue, 2010-08-31 at 16:02 -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> 
> > > We could add a toplevel "todo/" directory, with each project file in it
> > > and a list of things todo. When the todo is done, that same commit could
> > > remove the todo item.
> > > 
> > > Just a worthless thought ;-)
> > 
> > I am with Dmitry on this one.  I really don't want to be prevented from
> > updating my todo items outside of the merge window.
> > 
> > Different people have different needs, so we need to accommodate todo
> > lists both within and outside the kernel source tree.
> 
> Actually, that would probably happen automatically.
> 
> If you are working on a subsystem, you should probably be working
> against the git tree for that subsystem. When something is done in the
> todo list, the subsystem tree would be updated with the commit that does
> said change.
> 
> Then, the list is maintained outside of mainline (in the subsystem git
> tree) and will automatically update mainline in the next merge window
> when the tree is pulled.

Seriously, given the known history of Documentation/feature-removal-schedule.txt,
I don't think this is going to work.

Thanks,
Rafael

RE: [Ksummit-2010-discuss] [PATCH] MAINTAINERS: add U: for URL of todo list, add RCU todo list

[Luck, Tony]

>Then, the list is maintained outside of mainline (in the subsystem git
>tree) and will automatically update mainline in the next merge window
>when the tree is pulled.

But this would mean that the version of the todo list in Linus' tree
is usually a release (3 months) out of date.  It would be a good idea
for a list maintained this way to include instructions on how to find
the current version, lest some unsuspecting person waste time working
on items that are already fixed and waiting for the next merge.

-Tony

RE: [Ksummit-2010-discuss] [PATCH] MAINTAINERS: add U: for URL of todo list, add RCU todo list

[Joe Perches]

On Tue, 2010-08-31 at 16:25 -0700, Luck, Tony wrote:
> >Then, the list is maintained outside of mainline (in the subsystem git
> >tree) and will automatically update mainline in the next merge window
> >when the tree is pulled.
> 
> But this would mean that the version of the todo list in Linus' tree
> is usually a release (3 months) out of date.  It would be a good idea
> for a list maintained this way to include instructions on how to find
> the current version, lest some unsuspecting person waste time working
> on items that are already fixed and waiting for the next merge.

There are already reasonable mechanisms for this.

It's perfectly fine to have multiple T: entries,
one for a current tree, another for a -next tree.

SECTION - name
M:	who <email.address>
T:	git <url>
T:	git <url-next>
F:	dir/file_pattern

Linus rarely seems to object to pulling Documentation updates.

Note the Documentation updates after any -rc2

$ for ((i=25 ; i<36 ; i++)) ; do	\
	cv=v2.6.$i-rc2..v2.6.$i ;	\
	echo -n "$cv: " ;		\
	git log --pretty=oneline --no-merges $cv -- Documentation | wc -l; \
done
v2.6.25-rc2..v2.6.25: 87
v2.6.26-rc2..v2.6.26: 48
v2.6.27-rc2..v2.6.27: 65
v2.6.28-rc2..v2.6.28: 67
v2.6.29-rc2..v2.6.29: 50
v2.6.30-rc2..v2.6.30: 44
v2.6.31-rc2..v2.6.31: 35
v2.6.32-rc2..v2.6.32: 74
v2.6.33-rc2..v2.6.33: 31
v2.6.34-rc2..v2.6.34: 32
v2.6.35-rc2..v2.6.35: 8

Re: [Ksummit-2010-discuss] [PATCH] MAINTAINERS: add U: for URL of todo list, add RCU todo list

[Eric Paris]

On Tue, 2010-08-31 at 16:46 -0700, Joe Perches wrote:
> On Tue, 2010-08-31 at 16:25 -0700, Luck, Tony wrote:
> > >Then, the list is maintained outside of mainline (in the subsystem git
> > >tree) and will automatically update mainline in the next merge window
> > >when the tree is pulled.
> > 
> > But this would mean that the version of the todo list in Linus' tree
> > is usually a release (3 months) out of date.  It would be a good idea
> > for a list maintained this way to include instructions on how to find
> > the current version, lest some unsuspecting person waste time working
> > on items that are already fixed and waiting for the next merge.
> 
> There are already reasonable mechanisms for this.
> 
> It's perfectly fine to have multiple T: entries,
> one for a current tree, another for a -next tree.

If I just downloaded a big tar ball and started trolling randomly
through the source how am I going to know what the MAINTAINERS file is?
How am I going to know that todo entries should be located by opening
the magic file called MAINTAINERS, looking for T: entries, and then
checking out the listed web page?

random todo files scattered around the kernel, all with references that
might duplicate MAINTAINERS info, but which make it clear to a complete
newbie how development for that subsys works, seems simple and easy.

subsys maintainers might want to put all kinds of info in there, what
tree to develop against (rarely a tar ball of Linus' tree), pointers to
particularly relevant Documentation/ files, how they like to get
patches, where those patches usually end getting applied, what lists and
cc's to use, things like that.

I just think that hoping a newbie is going to naturally know MAINTAINERS
isn't the best.

-Eric

Re: [Ksummit-2010-discuss] [PATCH] MAINTAINERS: add U: for URL of todo list, add RCU todo list

[Joe Perches]

On Tue, 2010-08-31 at 20:23 -0400, Eric Paris wrote:
> If I just downloaded a big tar ball and started trolling randomly
> through the source how am I going to know what the MAINTAINERS file is?

I think that tarball trolling is pretty rare these days.

Any one know the statistics for kernel git traffic vs tarballs?

Re: [Ksummit-2010-discuss] [PATCH] MAINTAINERS: add U: for URL of todo list, add RCU todo list

[Mark Brown]

On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 05:34:17PM -0700, Joe Perches wrote:
> On Tue, 2010-08-31 at 20:23 -0400, Eric Paris wrote:

> > If I just downloaded a big tar ball and started trolling randomly
> > through the source how am I going to know what the MAINTAINERS file is?

> I think that tarball trolling is pretty rare these days.

My experience is that there's an awful lot of people working with
whatever kernel has been provided by their vendor rather than getting
kernels direct from kernel.org and they tend to only look as far as the
tarball (or other package) they got.

> Any one know the statistics for kernel git traffic vs tarballs?

The kernel.org traffic is going to miss people using distribution or
other non kernel.org traffic so might be a bit misleading.

Re: [Ksummit-2010-discuss] [PATCH] MAINTAINERS: add U: for URL of todo list, add RCU todo list

[Alan Cox]

> If I just downloaded a big tar ball and started trolling randomly
> through the source how am I going to know what the MAINTAINERS file is?

Probably because you started with Documentation/* which explains it in
SubmittingPatches for one ?

> I just think that hoping a newbie is going to naturally know MAINTAINERS
> isn't the best.

If they can't find the MAINTAINERS file in the top level directory, and
haven't read SubmittingPatches either then maybe that's not a complete
disaster at that point ?

Re: [Ksummit-2010-discuss] [PATCH] MAINTAINERS: add U: for URL of todo list, add RCU todo list

[Mike Rapoport]

On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 11:54 AM, Mark Brown
<broonie@opensource.wolfsonmicro.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 05:34:17PM -0700, Joe Perches wrote:
>> On Tue, 2010-08-31 at 20:23 -0400, Eric Paris wrote:
>
>> > If I just downloaded a big tar ball and started trolling randomly
>> > through the source how am I going to know what the MAINTAINERS file is?
>
>> I think that tarball trolling is pretty rare these days.
>
> My experience is that there's an awful lot of people working with
> whatever kernel has been provided by their vendor rather than getting
> kernels direct from kernel.org and they tend to only look as far as the
> tarball (or other package) they got.

People that are working with vendor provided kernels do not tend to
contribute upstream. And those who want to contribute will find what
MAINTAINERS is.

>> Any one know the statistics for kernel git traffic vs tarballs?
>
> The kernel.org traffic is going to miss people using distribution or
> other non kernel.org traffic so might be a bit misleading.
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Re: [Ksummit-2010-discuss] [PATCH] MAINTAINERS: add U: for URL of todo list, add RCU todo list

[Mark Brown]

On Wed, Sep 01, 2010 at 01:03:07PM +0300, Mike Rapoport wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 11:54 AM, Mark Brown

> > My experience is that there's an awful lot of people working with
> > whatever kernel has been provided by their vendor rather than getting
> > kernels direct from kernel.org and they tend to only look as far as the
> > tarball (or other package) they got.

> People that are working with vendor provided kernels do not tend to
> contribute upstream. And those who want to contribute will find what
> MAINTAINERS is.

While the majority of people won't contribute upstream some do, or come
looking for support, and MAINTAINERS doesn't seem entirely reliable.  I
think some people are expecting it to be for maintainers rather than a
list of them.