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From: Anthony Liguori <aliguori@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>
Cc: Anthony Liguori <aliguori@us.ibm.com>,
	Juan Quintela <quintela@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org,
	Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Subject: [Qemu-devel] Re: [PATCH 3/3] disk: don't read from disk until the guest starts
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 08:29:43 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4C8E2747.9090806@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4C8DE19B.9090309@redhat.com>

On 09/13/2010 03:32 AM, Kevin Wolf wrote:
> Am 11.09.2010 16:04, schrieb Anthony Liguori:
>    
>> This fixes a couple nasty problems relating to live migration.
>>
>> 1) When dealing with shared storage with weak coherence (i.e. NFS), even if
>>     we re-read, we may end up with undesired caching.  By delaying any reads
>>     until we absolutely have to, we decrease the likelihood of any undesirable
>>     caching.
>>
>> 2) When dealing with copy-on-read, the local storage acts as a cache.  We need
>>     to make sure to avoid any reads to avoid polluting the local cache.
>>
>> Signed-off-by: Anthony Liguori<aliguori@us.ibm.com>
>>      
> I think we should also delay even opening the image file at all to the
> latest possible point to avoid that new problems of this kind are
> introduced. Ideally, opening the image would be the very last thing we
> do before telling the migration source that we're set and it should
> close the images.
>    

There's a lot of possible failure scenarios that opening an image file 
can introduce.  Fortunately, I don't think we have a strict requirement 
for it provided that we make a couple of reasonable changes.

> Even better would be to only open the image when the source has already
> closed it (we could completely avoid the invalidation/reopen then), but
> I think you were afraid that we might lose the image on both ends.
>    

Yeah, one of the key design points of live migration is to minimize the 
number of failure scenarios where you lose a VM.  If someone typed the 
wrong command line or shared storage hasn't been mounted yet and we 
delay failure until live migration is in the critical path, that would 
be terribly unfortunate.

Regards,

Anthony Liguori

> Kevin
>    

  reply	other threads:[~2010-09-13 13:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-09-11 14:04 [Qemu-devel] [RFC][PATCH 0/3] Fix caching issues with live migration Anthony Liguori
2010-09-11 14:04 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 1/3] block: allow migration to work with image files Anthony Liguori
2010-09-12 10:37   ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-12 13:06     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-12 13:28       ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-12 15:26         ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-12 16:06           ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-12 17:10             ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-12 17:51               ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-15 16:00                 ` [Qemu-devel] " Juan Quintela
2010-09-15 15:57         ` Juan Quintela
2010-09-13  8:21   ` Kevin Wolf
2010-09-13 13:27     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-15 16:03     ` Juan Quintela
2010-09-16  7:54       ` Kevin Wolf
2010-09-15 15:53   ` Juan Quintela
2010-09-11 14:04 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 2/3] block-nbd: fix use of protocols in backing files and nbd probing Anthony Liguori
2010-09-11 16:53   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-09-11 17:27     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-11 17:45       ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-15 16:06   ` [Qemu-devel] " Juan Quintela
2010-09-16 15:40     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-17  8:53       ` Kevin Wolf
2010-09-16  8:08   ` Kevin Wolf
2010-09-16 13:00     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-16 14:08       ` Kevin Wolf
2010-09-11 14:04 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 3/3] disk: don't read from disk until the guest starts Anthony Liguori
2010-09-11 17:24   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-09-11 17:34     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-12 10:42   ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-12 13:08     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-12 13:26       ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-12 15:29         ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-12 16:04           ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-15 16:10       ` [Qemu-devel] " Juan Quintela
2010-09-13  8:32   ` Kevin Wolf
2010-09-13 13:29     ` Anthony Liguori [this message]
2010-09-13 13:39       ` Kevin Wolf
2010-09-13 13:42         ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-13 14:13           ` Kevin Wolf
2010-09-13 14:34             ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-14  9:47               ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-14 12:51                 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-14 13:16                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-13 19:29             ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-09-13 20:03               ` Kevin Wolf
2010-09-13 20:09                 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-14  8:28                   ` Kevin Wolf
2010-09-15 16:16     ` Juan Quintela
2010-09-12 10:46 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC][PATCH 0/3] Fix caching issues with live migration Avi Kivity
2010-09-12 13:12   ` Anthony Liguori

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