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From: Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@gmail.com>
To: Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>
Cc: Anthony Liguori <aliguori@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Anthony Liguori <aliguori@us.ibm.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org,
	Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Juan Quintela <quintela@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: [PATCH 3/3] disk: don't read from disk until the guest starts
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 20:29:43 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <AANLkTinCc0UuR3rWmMuPoSjHyiSckLoHkDTJzqjmh1Fz@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4C8E319A.4090103@redhat.com>

On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com> wrote:
> Am 13.09.2010 15:42, schrieb Anthony Liguori:
>> On 09/13/2010 08:39 AM, Kevin Wolf wrote:
>>>> Yeah, one of the key design points of live migration is to minimize the
>>>> number of failure scenarios where you lose a VM.  If someone typed the
>>>> wrong command line or shared storage hasn't been mounted yet and we
>>>> delay failure until live migration is in the critical path, that would
>>>> be terribly unfortunate.
>>>>
>>> We would catch most of them if we try to open the image when migration
>>> starts and immediately close it again until migration is (almost)
>>> completed, so that no other code can possibly use it before the source
>>> has really closed it.
>>>
>>
>> I think the only real advantage is that we fix NFS migration, right?
>
> That's the one that we know about, yes.
>
> The rest is not a specific scenario, but a strong feeling that having an
> image opened twice at the same time feels dangerous. As soon as an
> open/close sequence writes to the image for some format, we probably
> have a bug. For example, what about this mounted flag that you were
> discussing for QED?

There is some room left to work in, even if we can't check in open().
One idea would be to do the check asynchronously once I/O begins.  It
is actually easy to check L1/L2 tables as they are loaded.

The only barrier relationship between I/O and checking is that an
allocating write (which will need to update L1/L2 tables) is only
allowed after check completes.  Otherwise reads and non-allocating
writes may proceed while the image is not yet fully checked.  We can
detect when a table element is an invalid offset and discard it.

Stefan

  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-09-13 19:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-09-11 14:04 [Qemu-devel] [RFC][PATCH 0/3] Fix caching issues with live migration Anthony Liguori
2010-09-11 14:04 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 1/3] block: allow migration to work with image files Anthony Liguori
2010-09-12 10:37   ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-12 13:06     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-12 13:28       ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-12 15:26         ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-12 16:06           ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-12 17:10             ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-12 17:51               ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-15 16:00                 ` [Qemu-devel] " Juan Quintela
2010-09-15 15:57         ` Juan Quintela
2010-09-13  8:21   ` Kevin Wolf
2010-09-13 13:27     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-15 16:03     ` Juan Quintela
2010-09-16  7:54       ` Kevin Wolf
2010-09-15 15:53   ` Juan Quintela
2010-09-11 14:04 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 2/3] block-nbd: fix use of protocols in backing files and nbd probing Anthony Liguori
2010-09-11 16:53   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-09-11 17:27     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-11 17:45       ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-15 16:06   ` [Qemu-devel] " Juan Quintela
2010-09-16 15:40     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-17  8:53       ` Kevin Wolf
2010-09-16  8:08   ` Kevin Wolf
2010-09-16 13:00     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-16 14:08       ` Kevin Wolf
2010-09-11 14:04 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 3/3] disk: don't read from disk until the guest starts Anthony Liguori
2010-09-11 17:24   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-09-11 17:34     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-12 10:42   ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-12 13:08     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-12 13:26       ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-12 15:29         ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-12 16:04           ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-15 16:10       ` [Qemu-devel] " Juan Quintela
2010-09-13  8:32   ` Kevin Wolf
2010-09-13 13:29     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-13 13:39       ` Kevin Wolf
2010-09-13 13:42         ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-13 14:13           ` Kevin Wolf
2010-09-13 14:34             ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-14  9:47               ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-14 12:51                 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-14 13:16                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-13 19:29             ` Stefan Hajnoczi [this message]
2010-09-13 20:03               ` Kevin Wolf
2010-09-13 20:09                 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-14  8:28                   ` Kevin Wolf
2010-09-15 16:16     ` Juan Quintela
2010-09-12 10:46 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC][PATCH 0/3] Fix caching issues with live migration Avi Kivity
2010-09-12 13:12   ` Anthony Liguori

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